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DaytonaR2
11-26-2016, 02:58 PM
I am new to the site, I have the opportunity to buy a 1963 R2 convertible, 4speed car. It does not have the extra package. This is an original one owner car. Seeking to find the real world value of such not to over pay for the car. Any help appreciated, or wild guess. Also trying to determine how many were actually made this way.

pinehurstbob
11-26-2016, 03:20 PM
All depends on the condition. A complete non running project car 1500 to 2500. A running driver about 10,000 and a show car - who knows? In am sure someone will have production figures and chime in here. I own a 60 Lark V111 convert and production figures were about 5800 and about 3500 for the Lark V1. Quite sure they would be less than 1960 production. If you do buy it, join the Drivers Club as you will find parts easier to find and get to know some great people. And welcome to the forum. Sure would like to see some photos.
Bob

6hk71400
11-26-2016, 03:31 PM
Condition Condition Condition. I know of several one owner cars that will need a complete restoration so being a one owner car is a relative thing. What does the owner want? Was the car always a California car or did it spend some hard winters elsewhere?

I can respect your wanting to keep this in a private realm. Someone did say though, you cannot pay too much for a Studebaker, just buy it too early. Well there are some people that maybe there grandkids may get the money out they paid.

Get the Serial Number, get the production order, get in touch with Bob Johnstone. He has another post on Jet Thrush news here on the forum and would be an invaluable resource. Here is the link he posted earlier: http://www.studebaker-info.org/JTN/jtn.html

When dealing with a rare car, the more you know and get help the better for you.

Bob Miles
Tucson AZ

studegary
11-26-2016, 07:55 PM
Welcome to the SDC Forum!

There were 1015 1963 Daytona convertibles built. My guess is about 50 R2/4 spd. Someone else probably has the actual numbers. Rarity does not always equate to value.

As others said, condition is everything (else). "Original one owner car" tells us nothing about condition - physical or mechanical. The car could be anywhere from $1500 to $20K. IF it is a very nice, unrestored, California car, my guesstimate is $10K.

sals54
11-26-2016, 08:18 PM
Is this car champagne in color? This may be the car I tried to buy several years ago. It was offered to me for $20,000. When I said "Yes", he rescinded the offer. If its in the same condition I last saw it in, its pretty dang nice. I don't think its a correct restoration, but it looked extremely nice overall.

BobPalma
11-26-2016, 08:22 PM
:) To answer your production question, Steve, there were 30 1963 convertibles built with R2 engines. 20 of them had 4-speed transmissions.

If you can supply the car's serial number, we can verify if it was built as described. The Serial Number will begin with the digits 63V. :cool: BP

58PackardWagon
11-26-2016, 09:55 PM
To get an accurate price, you will need to supply the serial number inside the driver's door between the hinges and the serial number on the motor. On the motor it is on the driver's side, top, toward the front. With that info, you can still keep it a secret and we can provide a ton of details.

scottsewall
11-26-2016, 10:36 PM
Feel free to post some pictures.

daytonadave
11-27-2016, 12:53 AM
NADA guides states a 1963 Daytona hardtop R2, 4 speed is worth $17,415 in Average condition. A Show quality car is worth $30,914. A convertible would be higher.

wise raymond
11-28-2016, 09:52 AM
I never belive in nada. something is only worth is what someone is will to pay for..sorry about that ..nada is just a guide..

studegary
11-28-2016, 04:27 PM
NADA guides states a 1963 Daytona hardtop R2, 4 speed is worth $17,415 in Average condition. A Show quality car is worth $30,914. A convertible would be higher.

About 60 years ago, the owner of a used car lot that I was working in said to me something to the effect of: "you will not see hundred dollar bills falling out of the NADA guide" after I quoted some NADA number that was way off what the current market value was in our area.

studegary
11-28-2016, 04:29 PM
Is this the 1963 Daytona convertible with R2 and four speed that was featured on one of the new Jay Leno shows? It was a nice, but not show quality, car. They "gave it" a price/value of $70K. It looked like $15K to me.

55coupe
11-28-2016, 09:39 PM
I would bet this is Bill Hollmans car He bought it new for his wife June, there both gone now. I'm not sure how much she drove it. The last time I saw Bill drive it was maybe 6/7 years ago maybe more. It may have had a repaint the original color Rose Mist and a nice surviving r2 4 speed car the only thing that could be wrong no driven enough. So whats a nice surviving r2 4sp no rust no wreck rag top worth?

Milaca
11-28-2016, 11:12 PM
A rust-free (or nearly rust-free) 1963 Daytona 4-speed convertible is something I would like to find. Any out there for sale?

Matthew Wendt
11-29-2016, 03:45 AM
DaytonaR2,

I sent you a Private Message.

Thanks,
Matt

sals54
11-29-2016, 08:44 PM
DaytonaR2 seems to be gone. One post and then vanished. I think 55Coupe is right. Sounds like Bills car. Its the right car in the right location. I'm still miffed he didn't let me buy it when he offered it to me.

BobPalma
11-29-2016, 08:56 PM
DaytonaR2 seems to be gone. One post and then vanished.

:whome: I think you're right, Sal. His Profile says his last activity was November 26, the day his OP appeared.

I don't know if that includes accessing the forum without posting anything, though. :confused: :cool: BP

6hk71400
11-30-2016, 09:44 AM
It looks like April 1st came early this year;). How many times on the forum have people come, made one post that piques interest, then disappears. Lots of speculation, of what may have been, or what they are going to do, then "poof".

We should have an app the has a BS meter built in or a Non Stir app:D

Matt, has he responded to you?

Bob Miles
Tucson AZ

64studeavanti
11-30-2016, 09:51 AM
Could it be they are enjoying holidays with family?

StudeNewby
11-30-2016, 11:31 AM
Could it be they are enjoying holidays with family?

Nahhh...couldn't be that!

sals54
11-30-2016, 11:42 AM
Perhaps he is getting ready to sell and was looking for a free appraisal??

jackb
11-30-2016, 02:25 PM
or.... he is an interested buyer, but after climbing interest here, and the knowing of who's and where the car may be.... he wants to let as few people know, to be safe in his bidding/offers...

SScopelli
11-30-2016, 05:18 PM
It looks like April 1st came early this year;).


Wonder who bought this 63 Convertible..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371802413852

spokejr
11-30-2016, 05:22 PM
Wonder who bought this 63 Convertible..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371802413852

Somebody with big dreams...hopefully backed with an even bigger checking account and stamina

SScopelli
11-30-2016, 06:28 PM
Somebody with big dreams...hopefully backed with an even bigger checking account and stamina

And probably the next one post poster asking what is it worth.. ;)

sals54
11-30-2016, 06:59 PM
Wonder who bought this 63 Convertible..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371802413852

I think someone got a pretty good deal on this one. A running 63 convertible and parts car for $1500 is a dang good deal. There are so many running 63 Larks out there which can be had for cheap, its a great project for anyone with the space for this sort of build. Any 2 door Lark could even donate its frame if needed. The end result could be a fabulous R2 4 speed convertible clone.

daytonadave
11-30-2016, 11:02 PM
Page from Haggerty Insurance covering 63 R2 4 speed conv. The 50% increase for R2 bumps the price way up. As long as our Studebakers kick butt on the drag strip these cars will continue to increase.

60266

6hk71400
12-01-2016, 09:55 AM
I think someone got a pretty good deal on this one. A running 63 convertible and parts car for $1500 is a dang good deal. There are so many running 63 Larks out there which can be had for cheap, its a great project for anyone with the space for this sort of build. Any 2 door Lark could even donate its frame if needed. The end result could be a fabulous R2 4 speed convertible clone.

There will be 2 63 two doors going up for sale soon. Two of us are going to inventory all the Studebaker stuff and other stuff from Kelly Marion's estate tomorrow. I will then answer all my PM's from another thread on parts.

The two are a complete 63 Standard with a 6 and A/C sold new in Tucson and a 63 Daytona shell with no glass no front seats. It was originally a 4 speed bucket seat car. Basically parts cars or one very ambitious expensive and probably frustrating restoration.

Bob Miles
Tucson AZ

SScopelli
12-01-2016, 11:42 AM
I think someone got a pretty good deal on this one. A running 63 convertible and parts car for $1500 is a dang good deal. There are so many running 63 Larks out there which can be had for cheap, its a great project for anyone with the space for this sort of build. Any 2 door Lark could even donate its frame if needed. The end result could be a fabulous R2 4 speed convertible clone.

Not doubting the deal, but the cost and effort of getting them back to ones shop, re-bodying a HT to Convert these days to get that car in top condition would well exceed the $35K NDA has it listed for.