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Commander Eddie
10-16-2016, 04:50 PM
I am still waiting for more information on these engines from the owner. I went to his place last weekend to look at them and get photographs. We had some trouble finding the serial numbers and that is what I am waiting for. In the interest of helping the owner find a new home for these I am going ahead and posting the photos for all of you to peruse. The owner told me he thought about asking $100 each for these. Since the condition of them is not known I think he might be willing to let them go for much less or for free. There are 2 V8s, 1 OHV 6, and 2 flat head 6s. If you want more information or to contact the owner directly you can send me a PM and I will get you connected. I know one of the V8s turns. The other appears to have the lifter rods sitting under the valley cover for some reason. Also, there are 3 speed OD transmissions connected to 2 of the six cylinder engines. These are located in Newberg, Oregon.
Here goes. I may have to do this in 2 entries.

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Commander Eddie
10-16-2016, 04:55 PM
Here are more photos:

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StudeRich
10-16-2016, 07:20 PM
The 535601 Casting Number V8, (No Serial Numbers are present) with Red Valve Covers is very likely a partial flow 1961 probably a 259.

The 1554641 Casting Number V8, is a Full Flow Late '62 or '63-'64 without it's Yellow Valve Covers. It could be a 259 or 289 depending on it's Serial Number and or Pistons and Crank.

There are OHV 170 Sixes, Commander Sixes, V-8's etc. It is quite difficult to attach the Casting Numbers and Serial Numbers to the Engine Pics.

4R 42199 is a 1949-1953 2R Series "245" Commander Six Truck Engine.

Someone here was looking for a Crank for I think, a '40 Commander that "Could"? work.

sals54
10-16-2016, 09:49 PM
On the V8s, you have pics of the casting numbers on the front, left top of the engine block. Thats fine, but the serial number is what IDs the engine. The serial number is on the front, right top of the block, opposite of the casting number.
Its a stamped number, not a casting. Should start with a V or a P most likely. V=259 P=289.

SN-60
10-16-2016, 09:58 PM
Quite a Studebaker engine collector! :)

candbstudebakers
10-17-2016, 12:02 AM
Crusty, crusty, been there done that, and not again.

jackb
10-17-2016, 09:15 AM
"pig in a poke" ...... maybe $400-500. for the bunch. Too many variables...

studeclunker
10-19-2016, 12:17 AM
You're more generous than I am Jack. However I am definitely interested in the flathead Six. Where exactly are these located?
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Ah, looked it up. Gosh, that's really up there. transportation would be an issue.:whome: Still interested though... Oh, does that one have a bellhousing and tranny attached?
yet another edit:
Ah, I see it does. Yeah, definitely interested in the flathead six.

TWChamp
10-19-2016, 08:42 AM
Wish it was closer to me because there are some good buys in that pile of engines. The Commander engine complete with tranny, starter and generator would be nice to have.

Also notice under the side of that engine is a Ford Model A engine.

Notice the vent hole in the bellhousing in picture 8. That sure makes a nice entrance for mice to make a home inside, and that happened twice in two months on my 1946 M-5. The Bendix was stuck, so I removed the starter and wire brushed the mouse crap, then oiled the drive. Within two months I had to repeat the process. I need to make a screen for the hole. I really don't know why Studebaker made such a hole, because it seems too small for cooling, and larger than needed for an air vent.

Commander Eddie
10-19-2016, 09:16 AM
You're more generous than I am Jack. However I am definitely interested in the flathead Six. Where exactly are these located?
edit:
Ah, looked it up. Gosh, that's really up there. transportation would be an issue.:whome: Still interested though... Oh, does that one have a bellhousing and tranny attached?
yet another edit:
Ah, I see it does. Yeah, definitely interested in the flathead six.

Ron, I have heard that Greyhound bus service would be you're cheapest bet for shipping.
Check your PMs.
Ed

sals54
10-19-2016, 12:29 PM
Greyhound won't ship anything over 100 lbs. You would have to have each block cut into 3 or 4 slices, and each cylinder head broken in two, then reassemble them once you got them to your garage. I imagine it would probably be a little tougher to put them back together that it would be to take them apart. Tho I've heard that JB Weld works pretty good.

sals54
10-19-2016, 12:36 PM
It would be a 9 hour drive for me, but as is per usual... there are 12 different construction zones between Sacramento and Dundee OR. Depending on the time of day to travel, I could estimate an additional 2 hours of drive time and 3 more visits to the looney bin as a result of the knuckleheads that tour along I-5 on the West Coast.

Commander Eddie
10-19-2016, 12:37 PM
Very funny, Sal54. :lol:

studeclunker
10-19-2016, 12:44 PM
It would be a 9 hour drive for me, but as is per usual... there are 12 different construction zones between Sacramento and Dundee OR. Depending on the time of day to travel, I could estimate an additional 2 hours of drive time and 3 more visits to the looney bin as a result of the knuckleheads that tour along I-5 on the West Coast.

Living myself in a tourist and hunter (read that moronic, city-boy, hunter) trap, I can understand exactly where you are coming from. When you don't have one obstructing the road, there is the other shooting livestock (actually anything that moves) and old cars (running or not), trespassing, and obstructing the road. This is the time of the year I stay out of the woods with my horses.

In Fawn Lodge we have a special No Trespassing sign. It reads, "No Trespassing, violaters will be shot and shot again just to make sure! YES WE SHOOT BACK IDIOT!" Surprisingly these people seem to be able to read.

By the by Sal, this is why I just stay over the the right with the trucks and let them go by...

StudeDave57
10-19-2016, 01:18 PM
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Information about my proposed trip is coming very soon.


I should add-
Ron-- a 'side trip' to Dundee is a bit outta the way given my planned route of here to Yakima to Sal's,
and then back north on 99/I5 to you and home.

It's manageable, but it'll add miles and time. And fuel.

It's your call.





StudeDave '57 :cool:

studeclunker
10-19-2016, 01:51 PM
Well, that would be a time-saver for me Dave. I hadn't considered that option. How far are you from Moses Lake?

Commander Eddie
10-19-2016, 02:13 PM
Dave, if you get off I-5 at Aurora it is not far to Newberg, Oregon, maybe 15 minutes. If you end up helping Ron out with the engine on your way down south I will give you the phone number and address and talk personally with the seller to coordinate logistics. Happy to do it.

Commander Eddie
10-19-2016, 02:35 PM
Ron - check your Notifications for another PM. I talked to seller.

StudeDave57
10-19-2016, 04:17 PM
Well, that would be a time-saver for me Dave.
I hadn't considered that option.
How far are you from Moses Lake?

Yup- that motor is on the way but not really.
The route from here to Yakima takes me away (and around) the Portland area.

Moses Lake is around 275 miles from here~ https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Ferndale,+WA+98248/Moses+Lake,+WA/@46.7508828,-120.7766815,9z/data=!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x5485bbe8016d9265:0x839609f165dade57!2m2!1d-122.6315533!2d48.8741151!1m5!1m1!1s0x54993f358edfbbdb:0x3f50ebe5ece52024!2m2!1d-119.2780771!2d47.1301417

But it's only about 50 miles off my path to Yakima~ https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Ferndale,+WA+98248/38.6929639,-121.5404815/@43.7519653,-125.5299175,6z/am=t/data=!4m14!4m13!1m10!1m1!1s0x5485bbe8016d9265:0x839609f165dade57!2m2!1d-122.6315533!2d48.8741151!3m4!1m2!1d-120.5044892!2d46.6248787!3s0x5499d82e37ed7a6b:0x94c0713cb1a95751!1m0!3e0





Dave, if you get off I-5 at Aurora it is not far to Newberg, Oregon, maybe 15 minutes.
Yes- I know where you are~ https://www.google.com/maps/place/Dundee,+OR+97115/@45.3042003,-122.8517697,9z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x5495410a8482f90d:0xf05d52e84b3b53bc!8m2!3d45.2781732!4d-123.010935

I have Google Maps!!! :ohmy: :D
:cheers:




StudeDave '57 :cool:

studeclunker
10-19-2016, 11:49 PM
The street view of Google Maps is a lot of fun. I've used it to do the tourist thing any number of times for places I'll likely never have the money to visit.

I notice that by adding Moses Lake into your itinerary, it cuts out Yakima. Is that a problem? I suppose the motors are out for you as it would be necessary to come in through the Dalles and then fun, fun, fun, through Portland. Not to mention all the added mileage and frustration of going down I-5 instead of 97 and I can't blame you in the least.

Ed, is this fellow in a great rush about getting these motors out of there? He hasn't called or answered my e-mail... yet. Then again, at this point tomorrow evening is better then nearly ten o'clock tonight. I hope he doesn't call whilst I'm off helping with the barn work in Whitmore tomorrow.

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Ah, it helps keeping track of the threads I've chattered in around here. Oh yeah, Yakima is needful as that's where Sal's windshield is. Ah well, the truck is likely a pipe-dream for me, though something I really need badly.

Commander Eddie
10-20-2016, 09:17 AM
Ron,
The owner has had these engines for some time as I understand so, unless something has changed he is likely not in a big hurry. We just happened to meet on the street the other day and he did not have the engines listed for sale anywhere. If we had not met he would probably not be paying any attention to them. Keep trying to reach him. He is a good guy and he does return my phone calls. He also knows you are trying to reach him.
My brother, Dan, may be making a trip up here from Santa Maria this coming Spring or Summer. If the engines are still available he might be willing to pick one up for you. He is considering buying one of the V-8s for spare parts.

studeclunker
10-20-2016, 04:21 PM
Thanks Ed. I really like the 245 and want one for parts. The complete one would be nice for the Lark sedan I'm redoing as well. That way I can tow a small trailer with it.:D

studeclunker
10-20-2016, 11:03 PM
Mr Joyce sent me two pictures of the Commander six (complete). The engine number is H363757. According to the engine number list it shows to be a 1949 Commander 245. Question is, would these two '49 engines be compatible (parts wise) to my 1960? The reason I'm interested in the (basically) short block is for the head. Mine is cracked.

Studebakercenteroforegon
10-21-2016, 12:53 AM
You can buy a brand new Commander Six cylinder head from Studebaker International for $105.00 if the head is your primary interest in that engine.

TWChamp
10-21-2016, 06:06 AM
You can buy a brand new Commander Six cylinder head from Studebaker International for $105.00 if the head is your primary interest in that engine.

That would be my first choice. When I toured SI a couple years ago they had pallets full of flat heads.