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Kdancy
10-04-2006, 06:33 AM
Well, it is now Dec.5,2006 and SteelTech has not sent Ed his refund for the non fitting disc brake set up he received back on October.

Buyer beware !!

Dan White
10-04-2006, 09:02 AM
Not sure which version of DL or Steeltech disk brake setup you are using, but Dave usually has a print out of the parts list. You can reach him at: project_43@msn.com. I will check to see if I have a list, but mine is the original setup from the early 90s.

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

Kdancy
10-04-2006, 12:41 PM
The fronts hoses are not on the list. He did answer my e-mail


quote:For front hoses I prefer to use are 1975 Chrysler Cordoba front hoses because they are the perfect length for Stude cars, tho most GM hose with a "Banjo" end can be used (Camaro, Cad, OLDS, Pontiac, pickup, etc etc) (GM are usually quite a bit longer and may need to be tied back to prevent rubbing something). The Cordoba hose will need a square corner on the brass fitting to be rounded off to drop into the GM caliper recess, but after that it is a great fit. Most any aftermarket stainless braided hose will have the usual banjo fitting. Get the ones with the usual 3/16 brake line fitting at the frame end.
I have ordered them from Napa and should have them in the morning. The rear rotors would wobble from side to side after I tightened them up so I had a machine shop check them. One was out .08 and the other as .04 so they turned them and now that part does just fine.
Now I have a new problem, the rear rotors don't fit flush with the flanged axle centers allowing the rotors to wobble up and down. I need to make up some kind of spacer to prevent this from happening or it will appear like the tires are out of round.

Mike Van Veghten
10-04-2006, 02:56 PM
I wouldn't do any spacing like that...

Find out what's keeping the rotor from sitting flush and fix it! Do NOT bandaid it if you want it to be right.

A guy here at work just bought a Baer kit for the back of his Chevelle. He ended up having to turn a bit off of the axle flange to get the rotors to fit right. So even the expensive stuff needs additional work to work correctly!

Mike

Kdancy
10-04-2006, 04:00 PM
The rotor is setting flush. They were both warped some and had to be turned. That is no longer the problem, the rotors do not "locate" into position and will move .208 side to side. If not fixed, it will act as if you have an out of round tire.

sbca96
10-04-2006, 04:53 PM
If I am understanding you correctly, there is nothing to keep the
rotor concentric on the hub. I used shouldered wheel studs, but
if you have a shoulder on the axle already, then you should only
need an alignment adapter to center the rotor. 6061-T6 would be
easy to machine, I would put a lead-in chamfer on the outside
diameter to help the rotor on, and on the inside inner diameter
incase their is a slight radius on the axle hub. Also check the
inside diameter of the rotor to see if there is a chamfer like
the one I described for the adapter ring. Not sure what outside
diameter to make the adapter ring though, maybe .005-.010 less
then the inside of the rotor? 7075-T6 is "stronger", and you can
always make it out of steel.

This is what I had to do to the GT hose to fit the Cobra caliper,
but only on the passenger side :

http://hometown.aol.com/sbca96/images/avantibrakeproject/cobra_install/brake_hose_mod_003a.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/sbca96/images/avantibrakeproject/cobra_install/brake_hose_mod_004a.jpg

Tom

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: 97 Z28 T-56 6-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires

Kdancy
10-04-2006, 05:41 PM
[quote]Originally posted by sbca96

If I am understanding you correctly, there is nothing to keep the
rotor concentric on the hub.[quote]
That is correct.

sbca96
10-04-2006, 07:00 PM
I dont think there is a serious strength issue in this area, once the
wheel is mounted to the rotor, its going to hold things pretty well.
All the adapter needs to do is take up the space between the hub and
the rotor. 6061-T6 (or even a non-structural aluminum) should be fine
to use for this part, but I would feel better about long term with it
made from 6061 or better. You could also press out the wheel studs &
find shouldered studs like I listed the part number of in my GT/Cobra
brake article. They are Dodge truck. You need to make sure that the
holes in the rotor for the wheel studs are no larger then what I list
in the article. It depends on how easy it is for you to get the parts
made to use for centering the rotor. Since there is no shoulder on
the stock Stude hubs, that wasnt an option in my design. Are these
the Fairborn flanged axles? I will run into the same problem when I
update the Avanti project to these.

Tom

Mike Van Veghten
10-05-2006, 12:22 PM
Hmmm...strange indeed.

Yea, just have an alum. (or steel) ring made to center the rotor on the hub. There are many ways to lock it in place, just make sure it's locked somehow.
The lug nuts will lock (pinch the wheel to the axle flange) the rotor rotation wise.

Mike

sbca96
10-05-2006, 01:38 PM
Good point about locking it in place, the wheel might also hold the
centering ring, depending on what rim is used, and the inside diameter
of the rims center hole. If thats not going to work, you can make the
ring an interference fit to the hub shoulder, and tap it on that way.
Or if the rotor has a chamfer on the inside of the inner diameter, it
wouldnt be too difficult to have a ridge on the outside of the ring to
get grabbed by the rotor. The Mustang GT/Cobra rotors have this type
of chamfer. You can see it in the following pictures :

http://hometown.aol.com/sbca96/images/avantibrakeproject/CobraRotors/fitment/Cobra_rotor_fitment_004a.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/sbca96/images/avantibrakeproject/CobraRotors/fitment/Cobra_rotor_fitment_005a.jpg

Tom

bams50
10-05-2006, 02:00 PM
Jeesh, Tom; I don't know you, and we'll probably never meet; and I know you've had a few bumps on this forum; and I know I was a little put off by the way you handled some...

But I also know you've won me over- to the extent possible on the 'net- with your frequent extensive, and very knowledgeable posts here!

You keep posting, I'll keep learning [8D]

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

sbca96
10-05-2006, 03:24 PM
Thanks Robert! Yah .. I have a bit of a temper, and I am a 'Taurus',
so it can be a lethal combo when 'bumps' occur. Believe it or not, I
have actually come a long way controling my temper in the last 10
years. It used to be worse![:I][:0]

Usually ending with broken parts that could have been repaired![B)]

I try to contribute as best I can, where I can, and how I can. In the
process learning from the many other knowledgeable people on these
forums. I, by no means, ever assume I know everything! Though there
are things I know a lot about.:D

I did not know how to rebuild a mechanical fuel pump until two weeks
ago, thanks again Nate and Mike M! Couldnt have made that indepth
how-to tech article without their very knowledgeable input!

Tom

Kdancy
11-03-2006, 12:51 PM
Update--- SteelTech Solutions DL disc brakes
Got fed up with Dave refusing to answer a phone or call me back, so I emailed him and sent the rear brake set up back for a re-fund as they didn't fit as advertised. He received them on the 16th and we haven't heard a peep from him and no refund as of today Nov 03.
I will never ever do business with him or recommend a customer to him.
Done with his crap.

Now, I did get Nimesh's Corvette brake set up on. I did have to have the rotors re-drilled for the stude pattern. Also shimmed the caliper so it would center properly but would need to do this on any dana 44 because of the axle shimming. Pretty easy to do. Also the set is 13lb's lighter than the "other" set. The fronts will be over 20 lbs lighter I would guess.
This set up will clear the Stude wheels that were made for the Stude disc brake set up.

53commander HDTP
53 Champion HDTP
61 Cursed Purple Hawk
64 Champ long bed V8

sbca96
11-03-2006, 08:54 PM
Sorry to hear of your troubles. I hope you guys can work this out.

Tom

Kdancy
11-08-2006, 06:40 AM
UPDATE--
I sent the rear disc brake conversion back to DL ( Steeltech ) and he recieved them on Oct.16 (delivery conformation). No refund has been sent after I emailed him several times and no communication from DL until last night Nov 8 -
update-
Just got an email from DL saying that he had requested Ed's address for refund and had never gotten it. Funny, I checked all his e-mail (I filed it) and no mention of this on any I have.
Anyway, I sent him the requested address -- so we will wait and see if the correct refund is sent anytime soon.
I will not recommend anyone do business with him again. Have gotten several e-mails from others that had issues with him as well.

53commander HDTP
53 Champion HDTP
61 Cursed Purple Hawk
64 Champ long bed V8

Kdancy
11-20-2006, 12:36 PM
Today is November 20, 2006
DL Steeltech recieved the disc brake set up back on Oct.16
Ed has still not received a refund or anything from Dave Levesque Steeltech

BUYER BEWARE !!

53commander HDTP
53 Champion HDTP
61 Cursed Purple Hawk
64 Champ long bed V8

sbca96
11-22-2006, 01:07 AM
http://www.sounddogs.com/previews/3482/mp3/448143_SOUNDDOGS_Dr.mp3

Tom


quote:Originally posted by hotwheels63r2

Now I get the joke from over 1 week ago! LOL

MIKE[}:)]

Kdancy
03-29-2007, 05:06 AM
Well, it has now been almost 6 months and Ed still has no refund
from Dave Levesque (Steel Tech) for the returned rear disc brake set up that he received back (october 2006).
Maybe I should go into business making stuff that doesn't work
as advertised, sell it, get it back on customers dime, never issue
a refund, and sell it to the next one ----

53commander HDTP
53 Champion HDTP
61 Cursed Purple Hawk
64 Champ long bed V8

sbca96
03-29-2007, 07:32 PM
Bummer man. I dont know what to tell you. I really wish you guys
could work this out somehow.

Tom

JDP
03-29-2007, 08:26 PM
Here's his ebay negs and neutrals :


Neutral feedback rating
Wasted 3 weeks waiting, no item. Got refund OK.


Reply by doug100: factory backorder. I was surprised too.

Negative feedback rating
After 9 days paid, pay pal, got a refund instead of item stay away from this one


Reply by doug100: DEADBEAT BIDDER. I turned him in.
.

Follow-up by retiredbmc: why did seller refund money if I did not pay?? who's the scammer????

Neutral feedback rating
never received merchandise after 5+weeks,tried contact seller 3 times sent refund


Did not have item, after 14 did give me a refund.



Reply by doug100: I will not sell to people with attiude.


Follow-up by 18derrick2020: No Attiude He just did not have the item he sold !! 15 days later and found out

Negative feedback rating
2 wks 0 item received..no response via email....had to file a dispute. LOUSEY!


Reply by doug100: Bogus Payment! I will not ship. Try it on someone else. don't come back

1 month to get parts


Reply by doug100: Custom work is NOT off-the-shelf or ready overnight.


DNT BUY HERE!TOOK DA $ OUT OF MY ACCNT BUT NEVA RECIVED PKG.RUDE


Reply by doug100: reported Deadbeat Bidders. They screwed up their PayPal + demanded free items.

Negative feedback rating
no communications frm seller, asked when shipped, did get refund & nasty emails



Follow-up by flyersduo: 10 days item still not shipped,asked when it would, was given $ back + neg feedb

Reply by doug100: I refuse to sell to behavior problems. Refund. Either behave or do not buy.


refunded money out of stock on the paint


Negative feedback rating
very slow shipping product



Reply by doug100: Quick Shipping.This is mailorder. Wait for mailman.

Negative feedback rating
Took 3 1/2 weeks to get. The item was as promissed. Just slow shipping.


Reply by doug100: 13 DAYS. For requesting custom work that's pretty quick.

Negative feedback rating
i payed on 7/6/06 he did not ship until 7/18/06 super slow service not happy


Reply by doug100: POR 15 backorder. Nothing I could do about it.

Neutral feedback rating
Brackets needed machining to fit correctly. OK product

Reply by doug100: Did you order the correct model? Why no contact? - first I've heard of it.

Slow shipping. Seller did not answer e-mail asking why.



Follow-up by cdimarine: Read this sellers feedback and stay clear. Previous feedback shows a pattern


Reply by doug100: Buyer refused to identify or give me his name+address- says I should know.....

great item, slow on delivery, but did come through.


Took a week of emailing to get items shipped, received 2 weeks after my payment


Reply by doug100: another one who can't remember his own name+address.


communcation could be better. more products needed before you can use this one



Reply by doug100: Clean tank before sealing. Follow instructions. Who doesn't know that?


slow shipping bought item on 2/26/06 did not recieve till 3/21/06,never again!!!


Reply by doug100: Shipped within a few days after payment arrived.

very slow to ship, very evasive emails never gave tracking #'s when asked


Reply by doug100: I need name + address. ITS ME doesnt tell me which order it was.


Was NOT a bolt together kit, required much fabrication The kit needs to be fixed


Reply by doug100: His old wheel studs were bent, and he refused to buy new ones.

very slow transaction no communication!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Reply by doug100: I shipped within 2 days. Fedex 045760844997807 check for yourself.

Negative feedback rating
Seller neither adequately communicated with me or sent items that I paid for. F-

B
Reply by doug100: NO FREE PARTS. Deadbeat Bidder. Reported to eBay.

The cans were all dented.


Reply by doug100: did you contact anyone? keep it secret till now?


slow sh

Dan White
03-29-2007, 09:25 PM
I am not sure what happened on individual cases but I have dealt with Dave ever since I bought my first Studebaker in '93. I have found his designs and workmanship to be top notch with two sets of ported R series heads and two rear and one front disk brake setups two GM auto trans to Studebaker engine adapters, and one HEI distributor for a Studebaker. Yes he can be a little slow but I usually found it was because he over commits himself most of the time. When I have had any questions he typically answers them quickly and completely with more detail than I need. It is too bad that he is his own worst enemy sometimes since his products have generally gotten good comments. Yes he does have some negatives and neutrals on ebay but he still has a 98.6%+ out of 2741 transactions. I am not defending him if he has stiffed someone, but just saying that I have never fount he was dishonest in any dealings I have had with him.

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

DEEPNHOCK
03-30-2007, 07:38 AM
I had a much different experience.
E-mail me if you want to hear about it.
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by Dan White

I am not sure what happened on individual cases but I have dealt with Dave ever since I bought my first Studebaker in '93. I have found his designs and workmanship to be top notch with two sets of ported R series heads and two rear and one front disk brake setups two GM auto trans to Studebaker engine adapters, and one HEI distributor for a Studebaker. Yes he can be a little slow but I usually found it was because he over commits himself most of the time. When I have had any questions he typically answers them quickly and completely with more detail than I need. It is too bad that he is his own worst enemy sometimes since his products have generally gotten good comments. Yes he does have some negatives and neutrals on ebay but he still has a 98.6%+ out of 2741 transactions. I am not defending him if he has stiffed someone, but just saying that I have never fount he was dishonest in any dealings I have had with him.

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

Kdancy
03-30-2007, 01:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by sbca96

Bummer man. I dont know what to tell you. I really wish you guys
could work this out somehow.

Tom


Tom, come on now-- what is to work out? Ed should have had his refund of around 300.00+ back in October. Not a bunch of lame excuses that he has recieved.
Work it out?? just send the man his money + shipping the parts, that's how you work it out.
Work it out --- you say that as if Ed has some fault in this, the only fault he has is in buying the brake kit in the first place. :(

Roscomacaw
03-30-2007, 01:18 PM
I've got stories too. E-mail for them. I won't post them here.[:I]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

jpvill4th
03-31-2007, 01:15 AM
I too have a story on an engine to transmission adapter that I could not use because it was warped from welding and he would not make good on it.

theGman
03-31-2007, 07:46 AM
He sounds like a deadbeat. I was getting ready to order a set of front discs from him, but looks like that won't happen.

vegas paul
03-31-2007, 05:09 PM
I just got off the phone (for the 3rd or 4th time) with Jim Turner, he is being VERY helpful in figuring out how to convert my 51 Champion to disc brakes. I'm giving him my order today and I'm glad to spend money with someone so responsive.

Las Vegas, NV
'51 Champion Business Coupe

bams50
03-31-2007, 06:27 PM
Yep- I've met Jim- great guy!! In my experience, you can learn alot more about a person's character in 10 minutes face-to-face then in a thousand emails...

I say, order from Jim Turner in full confidence![^]

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

solutions
04-02-2007, 02:20 PM
Hello,

I have received an e-mail notification from a friend that I am being talked about and need to reply or explain.

First the rear disc brakes; Out of thousands of these over the decades, we get very few with troubles. Usually the troubles are about doing the e-brake adjustments properly.

I receieved your return package in good shape. I have sent those CarQuest rotors back to CarQuest to have them examined for the out of round or oval holes as you have explained in your e-mail. I cannot find, and they cannot find, any out-of-round or oval holes anywhere. They will not give credit on the rotors since they say the rotors have been turned down smaller.
I have taken the rotors to a couple different shops in an effort to find the oval hole situation you described. NONE have found any holes out of dimension, but one shop put a rotor on his machine and wondered why your friend machined it thinner with a .011 wobble.

Since I have NEVER received any CarQuest, AutoZone or other rotor with out-of-round holes before, since I could not find a shop around here who could find out-of-round holes on either rotor, and since Carquest will not allow me credit on rotors that have been macined thinner for whatever reason, I can't offer a refund on the rotors.
We have since installed your returned brackets, e-brakes, and calipers (with fresh CarQuest rotors) on a friend's car, and he is really tickled with them. I can send out a refund check for the rest of the brake set that was returned. I just can't refund the modified rotor part of it. If that is agreeable with you, I can send the refund right away. If you want me to keep checking with different machine shops about the "buggered up" rotors, I can check with a few other shops to see if they can find anything, but I do believe it would be fruitless.
I really don't think there is any chance I can get any credit on the rotors, and believe it is best to stop trying to find the oval hole problem that no one can find.

Did you have your rear axle hubs trued before doing machining on the rotor? Did you determine that the hubs ran true AFTER being remounted on the axles? A very common problem on tapered axles is the error involved in getting one part machined without checking for the whole assembly for being true. Did you remove the old studs before "truing" the rear hubs or did someone try to skip those steps? Did you check the new studs to make sure the knurled shoulders weren't sticking out too far and preventing rotors from sitting flat? Were the stud holes in the axle flange properly chamfered to prevent the new studs from raising up a small area of metal on the axle flange around the stud? That could keep a rotor from sitting flat. Always chamfer the hole after a stud is remove or replaced. Was that done or was that skipped?

I am sorry, but as I said, I can refund the rest of the parts, but the modified rotors could not be credited. Will you accept a refund that does not include the "buggered up" rotors?

Please send me an e-mail directly instead of replying on this bulletin board. One of the many reasons I do not read or post on these boards is that you have someone in your group, maybe more than one, that loves to forge headers and post gibberish and nonsense under other people's names when he gets provoked.
*************************

I do not plan to post here again execpt under an extraordinary circumstance. If you see another post that seems to come from this name, eye it with suspicion as another fake with a forged header.
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I wish to stay out of the internal politics and group squabbles that drove many away from the alt studebaker site and drove many out of the club. I do not expect to get my loaner tools back that I loaned to the group tool-exchange program nor do I ever expect to find out who had them last. I don't care. I just want to stay away from the group squabbles that seem to erupt quite regularly.

I see that a few rock throwers felt the need to include their comments.

DEEPNHOCK
04-02-2007, 04:32 PM
I stayed off this publicly on the SDC forum and asked people to e-mail me, but DL is responding here with a line of pure unadulterated BS...(In particular as it relates to our particular dealings).

We arranged a 'trade' of my materials for two pair of 'famous[:0]' ported cylinder heads, a trans adapter kit, and a pair of caliper mount brackets (GM to Ford 9").
I supplied him with a used, but fully race prepped and freshened, reverse shift pattern, Hipster internal line loc, aluminum shielded T400 racing transmission (that was shop shelf clean and had a blue plastic input shaft plug in the front and a 'new' yoke in the back (that was wired in place). A brand new B&M hole shot high stall converter, a new B&M GM flywheel, and new B&M ratchet shifter (and cable)....along with four Stude head cores. (He wanted the trans and parts for his Avanti drag car project).
I personally delivered everything but two of the head cores to his house. We stood there at his house, standing face to face, and shook hands on our 'deal'. Not a customer? Wanna bet? Go ahead and 'press me'... I'm ready any ol' time.....
Oh, and those two head cores were dropped off a month later by my father in law on his return to Chicago from visiting me in Florida.
At the time I delivered my parts to DL I received NOTHING from DL, as he had not made anything at that time. I eventually did receive from him, months later, the caliper mounts, and the trans adapter kit.
After many months (years actually) of requests about the status of the heads I got no decent reply with a timeframe for completion. Just excuses.
When another person on a different forum complained about the lack of service from DL, I added my experience to the discussion.
Soon after that DL said he would not have time to do any heads for me, as he had promised.
So... I drove to his house in Illinois (from Florida) and knocked on his door.
We had to go over to his other house to go through the stuff in his storage garage to find the head cores, and then return to his house to go into his garage, move a bunch of stuff to dig out the transmission (which was under a bunch of other oily stuff)and get my other parts out.
Now, since I had used the caliper mounts and the trans adapter (which needed 'finessing' to get it to fit properly) we agree'd that DL would keep the B&M shifter and cable. We both stood there and agree'd we were'even', and we were 'done'.
I left with my stuff.
In conclusion....
I pre-paid my deal, and had to go re-po my stuff when I was not 'paid off' on our trade agreement. After several years....
So his excuse of my not being a customer because I had not paid... Is total BS. His excuse of devaluing my trade material because it was oily...is also BS. (There was so much crap in and around his shop, and the grime on the floor was bad enough to trash the carpeting in my pickup truck...but I'll leave that part alone....)
So if anyone is going to accuse me of being a rock thrower with DL....
You betcha.
As long as I waited for broken promises?
Yep.
I'm a pretty good aim, too.
And I don't throw unless provoked, or wronged.
DL should know that the very people he says left the other forums have not gone away. They are still here.
They just have new fake names now;)
I hide in plain site and wear my scars proudly.
I won't ever get screwed by DL again, as I will never do business with him ever again.
Once is enough, and I was lucky because I got my stuff back.
A long, terse, DL reply with excuses for non performance doesn't plus me one bit.
My experience stands on it's own.
It's [u]just</u> the [u]truth</u>, and it doesn't take a MENSA club member to figure that out...or who was contacting DL to fill him in on this forum topic.....
OK, I'm done now, for all the good that will do....
(Go ahead Bob, time to moderate;))
Jeff[8D]

[quote]quote:Originally posted by solutions

Hello,

BShaw
04-02-2007, 05:39 PM
Both sides of this unfortunate ongoing controversy have now had an opportunity to present their arguements. I have now locked this thread and fully expect all parties to not restart it with a different thread and the same arguments. Avail yourselves of private emails if you wish to continue discussions. Continued public argument on either side of this solves nothing. Attempts to reignite this will be deleted. Thank you.

BShaw,Webmaster
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