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StudeMichael
07-17-2016, 12:32 PM
I have one perfect "Broadmoor" emblem that could be used to reproduce these impossible to find pieces. Does anyone know where to start and would anyone else be interested in getting a pair?

SN-60
07-17-2016, 12:38 PM
Not a bad idea! Unfortunately, I've seen a few folks that own these wagons replace the 'Broadmoor' script with either 'President' or 'Studebaker'....I believe that all these scripts will interchange.

rockne10
07-17-2016, 01:02 PM
At this point I would explore scanning and printing in 3D. There are many companies that specialize in chrome plating plastics and similar materials used in 3D printers.

55 56 PREZ 4D
07-17-2016, 06:33 PM
There have been 2 or 3 posters in the recent past who have asked for ideas to produce pieces on their 3D machines.
This would be perfect for them.

Dan White
07-17-2016, 07:25 PM
ME ME ME!!!! i have been looking for a pair for several years now! When I was at SI at the last SB Intl meet the guy helping we said there was a pair of NOS scripts at SASCO when the move took place and when all was said and done they were "missing" when they got to the new SI facility. I will help locate a pot metal caster.

stude dude
07-18-2016, 06:14 AM
I have been chasing a 'Provincial' name plate for a customers 1958 Wagon for 5 years. Is there anything out there?

Chris.

Dan White
07-19-2016, 06:29 AM
Anyone know anything about these guys?

http://castmetalparts.com

garyash
07-19-2016, 08:44 AM
I've dealt with C.A. Brown, Inc. in Cranston, RI to make some investment castings for throttle arms in silicon bronze, though they do other materials as well. See http://www.browncasting.com/.
I gave them a 3D printed master in nylon (see http://www.shapeways.com) which C.A. Brown used to make a silicone rubber mold, then wax replicas for the casting process. The wax copies get dipped in plaster and ceramic powder, dried, and the wax melted out, then the cavity is filled with molten metal. The finished surfaces replicated those of the nylon master. The cost was tolerable to make about 50 parts, each about 2.4" long. Note that sand casting, as used in iron and aluminum foundries, can't produce surfaces as smooth, though plaster mold casting might. The original scripts were zinc die castings made in machined metal molds using pressure injection with shrinkage only about 0.6%.

While you could create a 3D CAD drawing and print out a master in plastic or wax, it's probably easier and cheaper just to send them the one part you have. Making a silicone mold from the part won't damage your original. The only problem is that the final replica parts will be smaller by the shrinkage factor of the metal, plus a little for the silicone rubber and wax replica making. If you had parts cast in brass, the total shrinkage would be about 1.5-2.0%. On a script 6" long, that might move the outer mounting pins about 1/8th inch closer together. A little work with a jeweler's file on the fender holes might be needed. Silicon bronze alloys shrink a little more. Otherwise, you would have to make the CAD file, enlarge it by 2% in all three dimensions, then print out a master and cast to have the pins in exactly the same place as the original.

If you make a CAD file, Shapeways can print it out in several types of plastic or they can laser sinter stainless steel powder and infuse it with copper. You could just polish the stainless/copper part or get it chrome plated. I did have Shapeways make a fun script for Kent White at Tinmantech using a nylon/aluminum powder mixture. It polished up pretty well to look almost like metal, but not good enough to actually use on a car. The edges were a little rougher surface and not easy to polish. Shapeways can tumble parts in corn grit or other media to polish parts but it tends to round off sharp edges and corners a little. The Shapeways web site says they can also print a wax part, investment cast it in brass, and polish it for you, but the maximum length of a brass part made that way is only about 4". The stainless/copper parts can be much larger.

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rockne10
07-19-2016, 05:50 PM
I noticed the reproduction scripts for the 1953 grill bars include enough shrinkage that a couple of the holes in the grill bars need to be "stretched".

StudeRich
07-19-2016, 07:34 PM
I have been chasing a 'Provincial' name plate for a customers 1958 Wagon for 5 years. Is there anything out there?Chris.

You MIGHT be interested in this then:


It's a great deal and will be a nice one for someone!
I also have a pair of NOS Provincial emblems that could go with the car if someone on the forum buys it.

James The Bell Collection Bellingham, WA.

That is from Post #17 on this string:
http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?96141-1956-Pelham-Wagon&p=1002233#post1002233

rkapteyn
07-20-2016, 10:44 AM
I will put some on Ebay in the next month.
I will trade a Broadmoor for a 1957 Pinehurst (not1956).
Robert Kapteyn
studebaker@mac.com

StudeDave57
07-20-2016, 11:25 AM
I will put some on Ebay in the next month.
I will trade a Broadmoor for a 1957 Pinehurst (not 1956).

There was no Pinehurst in '57.
That was a one year car- only in '56.
The other '56s were Pelham and Parkview.

The '57 wagons were Pelham, Parkview, Provincial, and Broadmoor.
And Scotsman, but it had no script besides 'Studebaker'.





StudeDave '57 :cool:

Scott
07-20-2016, 12:59 PM
If casting companies are as sophisticated as plastic molders all you should need is a CAD file - preferably made from the engineering drawings and they ought to be able to make all the adjustments to the file to account for shrinkage. If you provide me the engineering drawing I ought to be able to output the STL or other CAD 3D file you need.
A real, original part should be provided as a reference tool.

Dan White
07-20-2016, 04:09 PM
I wonder if the Stud. museum has the drawing for these scripts?

rkapteyn
07-20-2016, 05:49 PM
There was no Pinehurst in '57.
That was a one year car- only in '56.
The other '56s were Pelham and Parkview.


StudeDave '57 :cool:

Senior moment
I need one 1957 Parkview script N.O.S.
I have a N.O.S. Broadmoor to trade.
Bob

StudeMichael
07-20-2016, 10:24 PM
PM Sent Bob

StudeRich
07-20-2016, 11:30 PM
I wonder if the Stud. museum has the drawing for these scripts?

Yes they do.

Dan White
07-21-2016, 05:31 AM
I will contact the museum today to find out how to get a copy.

StudeRich
07-21-2016, 12:36 PM
It is simple, you just look up the needed Studebaker Part Numbers in your Parts Catalog and order the corresponding Drawing Copies, you will be charged for the research time required to find and print them.

garyash
07-21-2016, 09:44 PM
Here's an example of a factory drawing of a script from 1963. All of the final dimensions are there, but it doesn't tell you exactly how to make the mold to have it come out to the right dimensions - that's up to the die caster. With the drawing in hand, it's still necessary to make a careful tracing of the artwork since CAD files didn't exist then.
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Scott
07-22-2016, 09:31 AM
Here is a rendering of a cad file I made for the hawk script. This was done by measuring a NOS part I have and no drawings. Drawings would (or should) make it easier to create a file.
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