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tjanowia
04-04-2016, 08:21 PM
Been talking to City officials and they are very enthusiastic about putting the Main Gate and Guard House back up that has been in storage for many years. They are talking about putting it back up in Ignition Park near its original spot or incorporating it into the new streetscape being built around South Bend recognizing its historic value. The problem is no architectural drawings can be found but think that if we get some really good pictures or information on it that it can be put back to it's original splendor. I read a post on the forum from 1999 I believe of members who took pictures of it before its disassembly but couldn't pull them up for some reason. If anyone has anything that would be of help and could e-mail them to me so I can forward them to the City It would be greatly appreciated and would resurrect about the only part of Plant 2 left. My e-mail is tim.janowiak@gmail.com. Thanks in advance.

Milaca
04-04-2016, 09:37 PM
Might the South Bend Historical Society (assuming that there is such an organization) have photos?

Studebaker Wheel
04-04-2016, 09:54 PM
Posted this one on the South Bend history site a few days ago. I have others both old and newer (color).

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Studebaker Wheel
04-04-2016, 10:02 PM
Another one in more modern times.

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Studebaker Wheel
04-04-2016, 10:07 PM
Yet another.

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Skybolt
04-04-2016, 11:01 PM
Wow Richard you do have a lot of pictures.

Studebaker Wheel
04-04-2016, 11:42 PM
Wow Richard you do have a lot of pictures.

You ain't seen nothin' yet!

Studebaker Wheel
04-04-2016, 11:45 PM
Guard house on right. 1952 looking east on Sample Street from the power house. Overhead body conveyor near completion but not yet in service.
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HAWK64
04-05-2016, 12:39 AM
Dick,
That last image is impressive & I believe most of the Forum members enjoy you sharing with us. Thanks for your efforts.

8E45E
04-05-2016, 01:01 AM
Dick,
That last image is impressive & I believe most of the Forum members enjoy you sharing with us. Thanks for your efforts.

That image was a commonly used one from the late summer of 1952 when they were readying that overhead conveyor seen in the background for 1953 models, comparing it with 1952 bodies being trucked to the storage facility south of Sample Street. http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?15312-Plant-scene-photo-you-will-want-to-see

Another close-up of the guardhouse here: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?67511-49-years-ago-today

Craig

Kurt
04-05-2016, 01:40 AM
Cool pictures.

I hope they they get this done.

tjanowia
04-05-2016, 08:51 AM
Thanks Richard, I was hoping you would chime in and if worse comes to worse we could count bricks and figure out the dimensions. I have contacted the Tribune, Historic Preservation Commission, Michiana Drivers Club and the Museum who hasn't responded yet and have been told to check the archives at the Library. It would also be great to get some photos of the inside and interviews with anyone that worked there. Can't even find anything on what year it was built but the bricks look like they match the old motor plant next door of which I have a pallet of bricks to replace any damaged ones. Be a great addition to the Studebaker Trail and unveil at next year's International. Mr. Quinn, I will be contacting you before long. Please keep any information and photos coming and this will happen. Thanks,

rkapteyn
04-05-2016, 11:49 AM
Fantastic project!

Bordeaux Daytona
04-05-2016, 12:26 PM
Here's some pics I took in 2008. I'm glad I took them when I did. Nice to hear that they'll be restored again. There was a pic on here before of the guardhouse on the other side, Newman Altman. I think I saved it if no one else has it. I don't know if that guardhouse was saved, I thought that it was.

tjanowia
04-05-2016, 01:14 PM
Thanks John, great pictures of the wood trim under the overhangs which will help a lot as I don't see any wood pieces left. Looks like it was in a little worse shape than I remember but nothing that can't be repaired. The guard house on the north side of Sample St. I am told was also saved but no one seems to know what happened to it. Been trying to track it down.

8E45E
04-05-2016, 01:17 PM
The guard house on the north side of Sample St. I am told was also saved but no one seems to know what happened to it. Been trying to track it down.

How about the Foundry gatehouse? http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?6678-South-Bend-self-tour-2-The-Foundry

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Bordeaux Daytona
04-05-2016, 01:59 PM
Thanks John, great pictures of the wood trim under the overhangs which will help a lot as I don't see any wood pieces left. Looks like it was in a little worse shape than I remember but nothing that can't be repaired. The guard house on the north side of Sample St. I am told was also saved but no one seems to know what happened to it. Been trying to track it down.

Cool! Thanks! :!:

Studebaker Wheel
04-05-2016, 02:54 PM
Here is a photo of the original wooden guard house at the Sample Street location (c1923). This would be before the Engineering building (No. 92) was constructed in 1928 and before the machine shop (No. 72) was built in that same year. The scene looks south toward building #78 built in 1919. For the record the brick guard house now under discussion was built in 1928 and had 122 square feet.

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tjanowia
04-05-2016, 03:22 PM
Great pictures and information Richard and Craig as far as the foundry guard house I'm afraid it went the way of the foundry except for the pieces scrapped by Chris Dresbach.

BigBillyHawk
04-05-2016, 03:47 PM
Thanks Tim for keeping the restoration project a priority with the leaders in South Bend!!!

Studebaker Wheel
04-05-2016, 04:09 PM
When you get that guard house reconstructed you will have to have a real life guard posted 24/7. He will need to have the authentic guard outfit with appropriate hat and badges etc. This photo from 1926. Note no badge on jacket but that was not the norm. Back in the 20s Studebaker decided to name the gates after long serving employees rather that referring to them as nos. 1 and 2 etc. This was the Armour gate.

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tjanowia
04-05-2016, 07:20 PM
Anybody want to play Barney Fife?

Milaca
04-05-2016, 07:33 PM
Call up the crew from the television show "This Old House" and tell them that we have a historic building to reconstruct. ;)

Bordeaux Daytona
04-06-2016, 02:19 PM
From the monon.org site

http://www.monon.monon.org/sobendpixs/stude_bld72guard.jpg

Studebaker Wheel
04-06-2016, 02:56 PM
Great, I never got that angle. Looks like we have 3 of the 4 sides covered. Have to use our imagination on that west side!

tjanowia
04-06-2016, 03:10 PM
Great detail. I'm trying to figure dimensions by counting bricks and adding mortar joints but don't seem to jive with the 120 sq. ft. but math was never my specialty. I measured the bricks and they were about 8" long and a little less than 4" wide.Think I'll send this to a brick layer buddy and leave it to a professional. Thanks

thunderations
04-06-2016, 04:57 PM
I'm guessing, solid brick with the view it would have had. I had many relatives that past through that gate every work day, or night when there were 3 shifts. Chances are I would have worked there too, had they not shut down in 63 when I was just a Freshman at Mishawaka High School. This summer is my 50TH high school reunion and I'm taking the 1966 Daytona back. It's the year I graduated and the school colors, maroon and white. What could be more appropriate?

Great, I never got that angle. Looks like we have 3 of the 4 sides covered. Have to use our imagination on that west side!

tjanowia
04-07-2016, 12:55 PM
Just thinking, great to see a Studebaker Building being built instead of being torn down.

studegary
04-07-2016, 02:54 PM
Great detail. I'm trying to figure dimensions by counting bricks and adding mortar joints but don't seem to jive with the 120 sq. ft. but math was never my specialty. I measured the bricks and they were about 8" long and a little less than 4" wide.Think I'll send this to a brick layer buddy and leave it to a professional. Thanks

I will preface this by saying that I am not a mason (where is Matt's grandfather?)
I believe that the brick dimensions of 4" and 8" include one concrete joint.
The short side of the building looks like 13 bricks (13 X 8" = 104") plus one brick end of 4". This gives a total of 108" or nine feet.
What is the count of bricks on the front/long side of the building?
Richard stated that the building was 122 sq.ft.
We may get into some discrepancy comparing exterior dimensions with what may be interior area.

Studebaker Wheel
04-07-2016, 07:42 PM
Here is a shot taken in c1950 and just forwarded to me by Tim Janowiak who started this thread. It was emailed to him by the Northern Indiana Center for History. Nice view looking southwest taken from building #58 (the old Newman/Altman Standard Surplus bldg). Sample street in foreground. The long low building stretching to the right was the machine shop.

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8E45E
04-07-2016, 07:58 PM
From the monon.org site

http://www.monon.monon.org/sobendpixs/stude_bld72guard.jpg

Must have been taken in the early 2000's. LOTS of weed cover by 2007 when I got a chance to get a photo of it from the same angle:

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1575/25693538174_d1b1ced0c6_o_d.jpg

Craig

tjanowia
04-07-2016, 09:17 PM
Do you remember anything about the layout inside like desks, shelves, electrics etc. ?

8E45E
04-08-2016, 02:54 PM
For the record the brick guard house now under discussion was built in 1928 and had 122 square feet.

I would love to compare it with the familiar British 'Police Box' since they are both from the same era: http://www.policeboxes.com/pboxhist.htm


Craig

Scott
04-09-2016, 11:52 AM
Don't you just love that tile roof? The years pass and it just laughs it off. The whole building would have been a wreck if it had had an ashphalt shingle roof.

56Golden
05-31-2016, 09:48 PM
... I read a post on the forum from 1999 I believe of members who took pictures of it before its disassembly but couldn't pull them up for some reason. If anyone has anything that would be of help and could e-mail them to me so I can forward them to the City It would be greatly appreciated and would resurrect about the only part of Plant 2 left. My e-mail is tim.janowiak@gmail.com. Thanks in advance.





Try this one... 54730

fiveftsix
05-31-2016, 10:18 PM
I would love to compare it with the familiar British 'Police Box' since they are both from the same era: http://www.policeboxes.com/pboxhist.htm


Craig

Well if it was made of Bricks to English standards they would have been 9x4x3 high
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tjanowia
06-01-2016, 05:50 PM
Great news. We found the architectural drawings and a CD made by the Company hired to dismantle it hidden away with one of our Historic groups. Now to get the City's thumbs out of their posterior.