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SN-60
03-20-2016, 10:24 AM
Would a '55-'64 Studebaker C-K model have left the factory with 'oval' or 'round' bumper face bar-to-bracket retaining bolts at the outer ends of its front and rear bumpers?...Opinions? :whome:

JoeHall
03-20-2016, 10:59 AM
Ed,
I have often heard there are variances, from year to year, but do not know that for a fact.

candbstudebakers
03-20-2016, 11:40 AM
Most of the ones I have removed were round, but some 40-50 years things do get changed from time to time, my guess is round.

unclemiltie
03-20-2016, 12:02 PM
Round is what I have seen. The parts books should tell us the real story

SN-60
03-20-2016, 02:45 PM
Round is what I have seen. The parts books should tell us the real story

Yes, I guess the parts book would indicate a different bolt for the ends of the front & rear bumpers.....There's a really nice '58 Golden on e-bay right now with ovals up front and 'rounds' in the rear....which may just be correct! :)

jbwhttail
03-20-2016, 05:03 PM
I had a combination of round and oval on my 56J and points were deducted, the parts book only lists the round part number. My $0.02.

6hk71400
03-20-2016, 07:21 PM
Meshach has oval, front and rear, never had the bumpers off. Lazarus has no bumper, yet (55 K Commander, 55 Speedster)

Bob Miles
Tucson AZ
Home of Lazarus and Meshach

bezhawk
03-20-2016, 07:44 PM
I always thought that oval for everything EXCEPT the outer rear.

6hk71400
03-21-2016, 07:44 PM
The 55 1st series K Commander that I have has oval bumper bolts all the way around. I cannot speak for all the other models. This is what drives people off the deep end when they are trying to get things right and Studebaker made running changes on the cars even within the same year. Since we are not privy to why changes were made (supply, cost issues etc), trying to put things together some 60-50 years later can be a challenge.

Since I have not and will not ever show a car for judging, I guess I am condemned to have fun driving and just letting people see the car.:) If someone wants to run down my car, well if I had a hearing aid, I would turn it off. I guess I will let them enjoy their freedom of speech and opinion.

That is what I am doing now; expressing an opinion with no offense intended.

Bob Miles
Tucson AZ
Home of Lazarus and Meshach

Buzzard
03-22-2016, 11:59 AM
My '57 Clipper wagon had both styles although I neglected to take note of their original positions. Silly me.
Bill

alaipairod
03-22-2016, 02:24 PM
Ovals were on all the way around on the '57 GH when I bought it.
They were on long enough that I had to split the nuts to get them off............
They were replaced with new ovals.

E. Davis
03-22-2016, 02:47 PM
My 61 Hawk has ovals all around except for the two bolts in the center on the rear bumper which are round. Oddly enough I had never paid much attention until now. I don't know why the two rear center bolts would be round if they are original except to say "its a Studebaker" expect the unexpected.

studegary
03-22-2016, 03:59 PM
In the early 1970s, a former head mechanic at a Studebaker dealer told me that the end bolts should be round and the others were rectangular. About the same time, I redid a '53 Commander Starliner that was original and I knew since new. It had round head bolts at the ends. Since then, I am not convinced that this was a hard and fast rule. They may have received different bolts in build or it may have depended on supply or it may have resulted from reducing part numbers to stock/supply.

I just looked at a factory photo of the rear of a 1953 C/K. The face bolts are rectangular and the end bolts are round headed.

Hallabutt
03-27-2016, 06:02 AM
I've had a great many 1955's over the years, all of which have had oval bolts. Had 53's and 54's as well, and never saw a round bolt on any of them.

studegary
03-27-2016, 03:41 PM
I've had a great many 1955's over the years, all of which have had oval bolts. Had 53's and 54's as well, and never saw a round bolt on any of them.

Seeing as how you reside in WA, is it possible that the 1953-1955s that you are referring to were Vernon/LA built cars (that had variations from the South Bend cars - the vast majority of build)? Perhaps they just wanted to stock/use one less part in CA.

SN-60
03-27-2016, 04:11 PM
I'm thinking ALL of the front bumper face bar retaining bolts should be oval.......but the rear face bar 'outers' are still a toss-up. :ohmy:

bezhawk
03-27-2016, 05:00 PM
Perhaps the outer rears changed with the advent of the 56 Hawks. Every post 56 one I have ever seen were round at the outer ends of the rear bumper.
(I'm only talking C/K cars)

Hallabutt
03-27-2016, 06:20 PM
You are right Gary, virtually all of my cars have been Vernon cars. The ones that were from South Bend were generally not worth saving, not because of build quality, but because of where they lived their early lives.

SN-60
05-07-2016, 09:50 AM
Well, I guess the jury is IN!....According to the '55-'58 Studebaker Chassis Manual, (revised in '61), ALL the bolts that retain the front & rear bumper face bars to the inner support brackets on C/K's should be OVAL.....('55-'58), including the sedan models.....and the 1958 Packard Hawk.

'59-'66 Stude passenger car models..............? :whome:

345 DeSoto
05-07-2016, 09:57 AM
My Sky Hawk bumpers (17,000 miles) have never been removed and ALL the bumper bolts, front and back, are oval...

studegary
05-07-2016, 12:18 PM
Well, I guess the jury is IN!....According to the '55-'58 Studebaker Chassis Manual, (revised in '61), ALL the bolts that retain the front & rear bumper face bars to the inner support brackets on C/K's should be OVAL.....('55-'58), including the sedan models.....and the 1958 Packard Hawk.

'59-'66 Stude passenger car models..............? :whome:

I would say that you need a different jury. When you refer to a 1961 revision, that would be what was available or what was to be used at that time. If round heads were used prior to 1961, they MAY have been superceded by the oval heads.
However, I do believe that oval heads were used on the later C/Ks. It is only the 1953-1954 C/Ks, particularly early 1953s, where round heads were used at the end (as shown in factory pictures, I do not have my early parts books available at this time).

SN-60
05-07-2016, 01:12 PM
I would say that you need a different jury. When you refer to a 1961 revision, that would be what was available or what was to be used at that time. If round heads were used prior to 1961, they MAY have been superceded by the oval heads.
However, I do believe that that oval heads were used on the later C/Ks. It is only the 1953-1954 C/Ks, particularly early 1953s, where round heads were used at the end (as shown in factory pictures, I do not have my early parts books available at this time).

I disagree with your assumption Gary,...but you're certainly entitled to your opinion! :)

studegary
05-07-2016, 01:33 PM
I disagree with your assumption Gary,...but you're certainly entitled to your opinion! :)

Please re-read my statement. I did not make an "assumption".

SN-60
05-07-2016, 03:12 PM
Gary, factory parts manuals ALWAYS indicate when a part has been superseded by another.....You should know that! ;)