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packardHawk58
11-18-2015, 05:45 AM
My buddy just purchased this 33 convertible, probably a rare car even in the US.
Maybe Mr Quinn would like to comment on how many would be left in the world?
Anyhow interesting video, hope it works, first time I have uploaded a video to the Forum.
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae194/packardhawk58/th_IMG_0070_zpsd9kro7qt.mp4 (http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae194/packardhawk58/IMG_0070_zpsd9kro7qt.mp4)

M15 Trucker
11-18-2015, 07:43 AM
It's a four door convertible! I thought two door "soft tops" were convertibles and four door "soft tops" were called Phaetons.
Or is there more to it than that?

fargoguy
11-18-2015, 08:27 AM
A four door convertible can be either-- a phaeton if it doesn't have roll-up windows, and a convertible sedan if it does have windows.

BobPalma
11-18-2015, 08:31 AM
:woot: Wow! That has to be incredibly rare anywhere, especially in Australia. Maybe one of one? What a find. :!: :cool: BP

dictator27
11-18-2015, 08:39 AM
A four door convertible can be either-- a phaeton if it doesn't have roll-up windows, and a convertible sedan if it does have windows.

As with a lot of things the definition of phaeton can get a little fuzzy, but generally speaking a phaeton and a touring car are the same thing - no roll up windows. Studebaker was a pioneer with their four season roadster which had roll up windows. If the subject of this post is a Speedway model with the 337 ci engine, it is a very rare car. Less than 1000 Speedway President models of all body styles were made.

Terry

studerex
11-18-2015, 08:58 AM
Find out which motor it has. The 337 or 250. Any other photos?

stude dude
11-18-2015, 10:27 AM
Richard Quinn is familiar with this car as he had been corresponding with the former owner and others since the 1970's. While it is not a 'Skyway' President, it is the only '33 President convertible sedan known to have survived.

Chris.

Studebaker Wheel
11-18-2015, 01:20 PM
The car in question is a 1933 President model 82. It has the 250 cubic inch engine and not the 336 that was used in the Speedway President. It has a serial of 7040172, body 82 S-2 5 and engine #B269. The long time owner of the car was Ross Johnson of Warners Bay NSW Australia. He purchased the car in c1960 and reported that it had 4 previous owners all from that general area. When we corresponded back in the early 80s he was working to restore it.

In ’33 the convertible sedan body was available on all models. From top to bottom: the Speedway President (336 c.i on 135” w.b.), the President (250 c.i. on 125” w.b), the Dictator Eight (236 c.i. on 117” w.b. and the Studebaker Six (230 c.i. on 117” w.b.).

As for scarcity yes, they are all scarce since 1933 represented the depths of the Great Depression and the convertible sedan body was about the most expensive in the line-up. The subject car is the only survivor I am aware of this model and body style. There was a second rough specimen in Canada with a body number of 82 S-2 23. So we know that at least 23 were built. This car was destroyed in a fire caused by a battery charger. I know of two ’33 Commander convertible sedans in India and of course Don Armacost of Grandview, Missouri is restoring the old Darrell Dye Speedway President model 92 convertible Sedan. He has promised completion by the South Bend meet in 2017.

49576

8E45E
11-18-2015, 02:08 PM
There was a second rough specimen in Canada with a body number of 82 S-2 23. So we know that at least 23 were built. This car was destroyed in a fire caused by a battery charger.

Was this the car owned by Clark Seaborn?

Craig

Studebaker Wheel
11-18-2015, 02:51 PM
Was this the car owned by Clark Seaborn?

Craig

Yes it was.

8E45E
11-18-2015, 03:00 PM
It was most unfortunate to say the least! Here are some photos I took of it a few years before the fire:

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1649/24177175444_e871f394c1_k_d.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1513/24779171046_646ebabb49_k_d.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1449/24687429992_ab6d0029cf_k_d.jpg

There were other vehicles (mainly British sports cars) that also got destroyed in that fire.

Craig

SN-60
11-18-2015, 06:38 PM
WOW!....Way to go Brian! :!:

Chantony
11-19-2015, 08:38 AM
WOW!....Way to go Brian! :!:

I'm fairly sure the two survivors in India are a Commander 8 cylinder model 73 and the other being the Gandhi killer car so named as it belonged to the assassin of Gandhi. This is a six cylinder model 56. I don't know if the car had a role in the assassination or not? I believe both cars are in good condition and the 8 cylinder car received a high end restoration.
There were quite a lot of upper Studebakers in India as they enjoyed a good reputation and were popular with the Maharajahs of the time.

go-studebaker
11-19-2015, 12:00 PM
Hi Brian,
well that car has finally come out and hopefully gone to someone who will do something with it.

Ross and Pat were the best of people, but he never did too much with that car. I remember him showing me around it in the mid 1990's, but he wouldn't sell it then. Even when he had passed away and I went to visit Pat, she wouldn't move it on either.
It is my favourite year of Studebaker and it is the elusive one. Just like a 64 Avanti with thick seats, but even harder to obtain.

It is the junior burger President with the shorter wheelbase. From memory he had a spare motor as well. Parts were all over the place for that car in the shed, so I hope whoever got it managed to find them all. The simplest way to have done that deal was to buy all the contents of the shed to be sure.

So who finally ended up with it ?

There seems to be more of those in India than anywhere else. I remember in the early 80's seeing a big Mac 33 Convertible Sedan like the one Don Armacost owns in one of those glossy UK motoring magazines in what looked like very restorable condition in a barn sitting beside a mid 30's P3 Roller and some other expensive cars at one of the many Indian Prince palaces.

Regards
Greg

packardHawk58
11-20-2015, 12:46 AM
Hi Greg,
Tony ended up buying it, I think he was chasing it for 37 years.
Do you still have your Packard Hawk stash?
I have just bought three more PH's and I am chasing down parts for the resto's that are about to happen.
Between Tony and myself we have 6 Packard Hawks now.

packardHawk58
11-20-2015, 01:05 AM
Here is the big 33 Convertible loaded onto my buddies truck, he sure know how to load a car!
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae194/packardhawk58/IMG_2318_zpss0cyq1hq.jpg (http://s971.photobucket.com/user/packardhawk58/media/IMG_2318_zpss0cyq1hq.jpg.html)

http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae194/packardhawk58/IMG_2316_zpse9lzowsu.jpg (http://s971.photobucket.com/user/packardhawk58/media/IMG_2316_zpse9lzowsu.jpg.html)

http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae194/packardhawk58/IMG_2314_zpshzpyft02.jpg (http://s971.photobucket.com/user/packardhawk58/media/IMG_2314_zpshzpyft02.jpg.html)
Wait a minute, what's that on the trailer behind the truck?
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae194/packardhawk58/IMG_2312_zps5px9cgqc.jpg (http://s971.photobucket.com/user/packardhawk58/media/IMG_2312_zps5px9cgqc.jpg.html)
Geez looks like a 30 Dictator as well, now its a double barn find!
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae194/packardhawk58/IMG_2315_zpsgnkkoc63.jpg (http://s971.photobucket.com/user/packardhawk58/media/IMG_2315_zpsgnkkoc63.jpg.html)

Jessie J.
11-20-2015, 01:37 AM
Looks like he did find a few spare parts. :D

56H-Y6
11-20-2015, 08:08 AM
Hi

Thanks for the report, good to know such a rarity will now be restored. Sad there is only a sole survivor of such a handsome automobile, reveals more about the American attitude toward older used cars in that decade up to WWII. By ten years old, any 1933 Studebaker was only valued for scrap unless it was a well-kept Six that could carry a carload to the defense plant while being run into the ground. Postwar, in the rush to grab any new car available, many still viable, worthwhile pre-war cars landed in junkyards regardless of how well preserved they were. Its a wonder anything is left.

Steve

studerex
11-20-2015, 08:19 AM
Are you sure that cabriolet a not a president?

packardHawk58
11-20-2015, 04:11 PM
Well said 56H-Y6!
Sorry studerex you are correct, it is a President, I am not up with the pre-war cars.

packardHawk58
02-06-2016, 04:27 PM
Well it looks like the 33 President model 82 will be heading back to the US to be restored by its new owner.
I have organized with my shipper from Indy to load it here in my home town and freight the car back to the US.
Because of this posting a Forum member struck up a deal with my buddy and the rest is history.
I will let him chime in if he wants to be known as the new owner.

studerex
10-12-2017, 08:31 PM
I need help or suggestions from our Australian friends. I purchased this 33 president from Tony Moisley and sent him the money. I got many excuses on personal delays, weather delays, and shipping delays. And now can not get any replies from Tony. He said he would return the money but never did and won't ship the car. Any ideas?

57pack
10-13-2017, 09:00 AM
Maybe he has been taken ill and can’t respond?
Happened to me a few years back. I sold a Ives train engine on eBay and before I could ship it. I wound up in hospital for 47 days.
My wife contacted the buyer and he calmed down and said he’d wait.
Just a thought.

go-studebaker
10-14-2017, 11:32 AM
Brian,
since the car is in Melbourne and it is paid for why don't you just get it shipped state side and be done with it.

Keeping the guys money for over a year without either refunding it or giving him the goods is not what being part of the Studebaker fraternity is all about. It's definitely not the 'Stand up' thing to do.

I am sure there is a little more to it than this, but excuses aside, both you and Tony buy enough things from America and have such a good reputation that it would be a shame to let your reputation go down for not being able to deliver. Especially since the car has been paid for.

Its's a shocking thing to give us guys who live overseas a bad reputation in terms of trust for delivering.

Come on you two get over it and sort it out and put it to bed.

Greg

58PackardWagon
10-14-2017, 09:52 PM
Sounds like this transaction needed to be done via a Letter of Credit with delivery terms. At this point I would secure an attorney.