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imitiday
10-01-2006, 12:48 PM
I have a friend with a 67 mustang who thinks it's the same
as Studebaker's 289. I need some input as to the technical
differences between the two, so I can [shut him up].
Any help would be appr. JNP

mapman
10-01-2006, 12:56 PM
studebaker used a 90 degree V (wide), ford used a 60 degree V (narrow) for starters.
Rob

JDP
10-01-2006, 01:18 PM
Well, nothing other then a standard bolt or two will interchange, show him a picture.

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Scott
10-01-2006, 02:10 PM
I always thought the Ford looked heavier, but I suppose the Studebaker 289 is heavier. True?

On earlier Studebaker 289s, weren't there 4 valve cover bolts per side? I don't think Ford ever used 4 per side.

imported_n/a
10-01-2006, 02:20 PM
Well, you'll notice one major difference if you try overboring the cylinders in each brand of "289" by .080 or .093! The Ford will never run again. Or even .030.--one Ford buff I knew swore it would cause a 289 w/aftermarket cam, etc., to run warm unless you bought a new HD radiator as well. I figure one reason some people get their wires crossed on this issue is: since Studebaker used Chevy 283s in 65-66, they illogically conclude that the 289's must've been Fords as well. So, can anyone clarify this--- the Avanti used a 304 International engine, right? [:0][8]

Thomas63R2
10-01-2006, 02:30 PM
Why bother dealing with a self taught automotive know it all? If your buddy can't tell the difference between engines with unique valve cover shapes and bolt locations and ignition distributors at different ends of the engine, then all the rest of the differences will not impress him. I just smile and say "I did not know that" when such nonsense comes up. If that leaves them less than satisfied, I then ask: "So, you have never seen a Studebaker V8 have you?" I usually add the comment that just because two engines coincidentally share the same displacement number that doesn't mean that a single engine part interchanges.

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JDP
10-01-2006, 03:11 PM
You could mention that Ford used the 352 Packard engine in 58. :)

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Guido
10-01-2006, 03:47 PM
quote:Originally posted by Cruiser[So, can anyone clarify this--- the Avanti used a 304 International engine, right?
You mean the 304 was not an AMC? [}:)]

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imported_n/a
10-01-2006, 03:50 PM
Yes, it was the 352 Packard Police Interceptor. [8]Rammler used the international engine,too, only they made it alot smaller.

Kdancy
10-01-2006, 04:36 PM
I used to have a ford HP289 crank that was stored next to a Stude 289 crank. The Stude looked like a big block crankshaft next to the little ford crank. Quite a difference in size and weight!

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Sonny
10-01-2006, 08:26 PM
quote:Originally posted by imitiday

I have a friend with a 67 mustang who thinks it's the same
as Studebaker's 289. I need some input as to the technical
differences between the two, so I can [shut him up].
Any help would be appr. JNP


JP was EXACTLY right, show him a picture! [^] That's worth 1000 words! Ford [8] guys aren't too smart anyway! ([:I] I hope the 40 or so years I spent around Ford fumes didn't effect uhm, effect, 'er, ah..... lessee, (don't tell me), somebody's been effected... What was I talking about? [:o)] )

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mbstude
10-01-2006, 08:32 PM
quote:JP was EXACTLY right, show him a picture! That's worth 1000 words! Ford guys aren't too smart anyway! ( I hope the 40 or so years I spent around Ford fumes didn't effect uhm, effect, 'er, ah..... lessee, (don't tell me), somebody's been effected... What was I talking about? )


We're just glad you ended up in the right place. ;) I was born with the Studebakeritis disease. Hope they never find a cure! :D

Also, one way to really make him hush is show him some proof (TW?) of Mr. Ted Harbit's drag racing winnings. I'm sure he's blown the doors of plenty of Furd 289's. [8D]


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Sonny
10-01-2006, 09:13 PM
quote:Originally posted by mbstude


quote:JP was EXACTLY right, show him a picture! That's worth 1000 words! Ford guys aren't too smart anyway! ( I hope the 40 or so years I spent around Ford fumes didn't effect uhm, effect, 'er, ah..... lessee, (don't tell me), somebody's been effected... What was I talking about? )


We're just glad you ended up in the right place. ;) I was born with the Studebakeritis disease. Hope they never find a cure! :D

Also, one way to really make him hush is show him some proof (TW?) of Mr. Ted Harbit's drag racing winnings. I'm sure he's blown the doors of plenty of Furd 289's. [8D]

Yep, that's an EASY way to show him the difference! Have him line up against a similarly equipped 289 Stude and show him that! [8)]

Aw heck, that might be too hard on a Ford guy, I hate to see grown men cry. :D Take pity on him, here's a bunch of pictures where you can point out the differences. http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/index.php

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prager
10-01-2006, 09:18 PM
Chevy used a 302 engine in 1969 for the true Z28's. Ford also has a 302...and now Ford and G.M. are talking merger??!! I smell a rat!!![:0]

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Dan White
10-01-2006, 09:41 PM
Tell him that Studebaker made the 289 for Ford for many years and his engine is actually a Studebaker designed engine not a Ford. Studebaker sold Ford the rights and tooling to make the engine in 1964 so technically his Mustang does have a Ford engine in it. Let him tell his Ford buddies that one and see what happens.

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imitiday
10-02-2006, 01:16 PM
thanks for the input Guy's now have a lot of info.
I will use it wisely & discretely! Yea rite!!

Mike Van Veghten
10-02-2006, 03:01 PM
Show him the water manifold on the front of the Stude engine...where's Fords....in the intake manifold!

That's one huge hint!

Mike

p.s. - 289 Ford a 60 degree.............? Better check that one again!

1949commander
10-03-2006, 01:03 PM
We need someone to install a Studebaker 289 in an early Mustang if it will fit. Or maybe take a front and top view picture of a Ford 289 and Studebaker 289 side by side.

The Mopar fans have the same problem with the 2 different generations of the 318. The early Polyspherical 318 is similar in size to a newer Big Block, where as the later 318 with wedge heads is actually an enlarged 273 V-8. If you have a 66 Mopar with a 318 everyone thinks it has a 440 in it.[:0]

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Dan White
10-03-2006, 02:56 PM
I think putting a Stude 289 in an early Mustang is a great idea!! Finally an engine swap that is acceptable, at least to Stude fans anyway.

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Scott
10-03-2006, 08:26 PM
How about a Studebaker 289 in a Sunbeam Tiger?

Dick Steinkamp
10-03-2006, 09:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by mapman

studebaker used a 90 degree V (wide), ford used a 60 degree V (narrow) for starters.
Rob


There is no 60 degree V8 that I know of. All Ford V8's are 90 degrees. A 60 degree V8 would be quite unbalanced.

V6 engines are primarely 60 degrees. The only exception I know of is the 90 degree 4.3 GM V6 and it needs a very strange looking crankshaft and balance shaft in order to operate.





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