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Roscomacaw
11-19-2007, 06:14 PM
Related to the Stude family. $110K is probably a bargain if you were looking at restoring one like this!

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Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Guido
11-19-2007, 06:53 PM
The think the seller is confusing wheelbase with overall length.
"The wheel base is 17 ft, the height is 6 ft, and the width is 6 ft."

My father owned a 1929 7 passenger Pierce that he bought for $25 back in the '50's and had stored at my grandparents on Long Island. When they moved in the early '60's he had no place to store it (or to get it to Virginia) and sold it for $40. He regretted it till the day he died.



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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
11-19-2007, 06:53 PM
The think the seller is confusing wheelbase with overall length.
"The wheel base is 17 ft, the height is 6 ft, and the width is 6 ft."

My father owned a 1929 7 passenger Pierce that he bought for $25 back in the '50's and had stored at my grandparents on Long Island. When they moved in the early '60's he had no place to store it (or to get it to Virginia) and sold it for $40. He regretted it till the day he died.



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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Roscomacaw
11-19-2007, 08:02 PM
Yup, cars like this could be had for less than a hundred bucks into the 50s![:0] My old Boss at the Classic car place told of his dad giving him a couple hundred to buy a car around 1950 or so and he went to this one lot that specialized in big old beasts like this as well as foreign muscle. He bought a prewar Aston Martin and had, years later, regretted the Duesenberg town car he left behind for the same price. Of course, the sports car image was paramount for a college kid as opposed to the lumbering monster of a Dusie![}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
11-19-2007, 08:02 PM
Yup, cars like this could be had for less than a hundred bucks into the 50s![:0] My old Boss at the Classic car place told of his dad giving him a couple hundred to buy a car around 1950 or so and he went to this one lot that specialized in big old beasts like this as well as foreign muscle. He bought a prewar Aston Martin and had, years later, regretted the Duesenberg town car he left behind for the same price. Of course, the sports car image was paramount for a college kid as opposed to the lumbering monster of a Dusie![}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

N8N
11-19-2007, 08:06 PM
Oh, to have to make that tough decision between an Aston and a Duesenberg... (cough)

nate

(how do you choose wrong?)

--
55 Commander Starlight
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

N8N
11-19-2007, 08:06 PM
Oh, to have to make that tough decision between an Aston and a Duesenberg... (cough)

nate

(how do you choose wrong?)

--
55 Commander Starlight
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

Guido
11-19-2007, 09:27 PM
In Charlottesville, Va. there was a fellow with an early '30's Rolls that we used to attend AACA shows with. The story that was told was that he bought the car for $25.

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
11-19-2007, 09:27 PM
In Charlottesville, Va. there was a fellow with an early '30's Rolls that we used to attend AACA shows with. The story that was told was that he bought the car for $25.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

go-studebaker
11-20-2007, 07:19 AM
Hi guys,
back home in Melbourne on my mothers street, one of our neighbors bought a 1915 Stutz bearcat for scrap value, from the scrap yard in the early 1950's and drove it to colledge and kept it after.

He finally restored the car in the late 1990's and it was always nice to see and go for a ride in. Oddly enough, he had no qualms about driving my Studebakers, but he had a slight problem when I asked him for a shot at the title with his Stutz.

Cars like that dont come up for a song anymore.

Greg

Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Sedan Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1961 Hawk
1963 Daytona Hardtop
1988 Avanti Convertible

go-studebaker
11-20-2007, 07:19 AM
Hi guys,
back home in Melbourne on my mothers street, one of our neighbors bought a 1915 Stutz bearcat for scrap value, from the scrap yard in the early 1950's and drove it to colledge and kept it after.

He finally restored the car in the late 1990's and it was always nice to see and go for a ride in. Oddly enough, he had no qualms about driving my Studebakers, but he had a slight problem when I asked him for a shot at the title with his Stutz.

Cars like that dont come up for a song anymore.

Greg

Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Sedan Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1961 Hawk
1963 Daytona Hardtop
1988 Avanti Convertible

wpsrea
11-20-2007, 08:31 AM
Mr. Biggs, I feel that I am still new to the Studebaker world. Can explain the relationship? I think I might have heard it once. There is a lot of what we call in the appraisal world as "pride of ownership" with this one. You can tell he loves this car.

wpsrea
11-20-2007, 08:31 AM
Mr. Biggs, I feel that I am still new to the Studebaker world. Can explain the relationship? I think I might have heard it once. There is a lot of what we call in the appraisal world as "pride of ownership" with this one. You can tell he loves this car.

Skip Lackie
11-20-2007, 10:05 AM
I think most of those stories about $25 cars are true. Around 1958, I had a chance to buy a mid-30s Cadillac V-16 for $200. If it had been a convertible coupe, I might have been tempted (though I really didn't have $200), but it was a gigantic 4-door sedan. The same car lot also had a Duesenberg J for $500.

IRT wpsrea: during a period in the 1930s, Studebaker owned Pierce-Arrow (and White trucks). As the Depression got worse, Stude sold both companies off. White survived another 50 years, but Pierce did not. I'm sure Mr. Biggs can provide more details.

Skip Lackie
Washington DC

Skip Lackie
11-20-2007, 10:05 AM
I think most of those stories about $25 cars are true. Around 1958, I had a chance to buy a mid-30s Cadillac V-16 for $200. If it had been a convertible coupe, I might have been tempted (though I really didn't have $200), but it was a gigantic 4-door sedan. The same car lot also had a Duesenberg J for $500.

IRT wpsrea: during a period in the 1930s, Studebaker owned Pierce-Arrow (and White trucks). As the Depression got worse, Stude sold both companies off. White survived another 50 years, but Pierce did not. I'm sure Mr. Biggs can provide more details.

Skip Lackie
Washington DC

Frank Starr
11-20-2007, 11:30 AM
$110k, huh? I doubt he'll get anywhere near that.

The 1934 836A is kind of the Pierce Arrow "stripper", the one attempt Pierce made at moving downmarket, if you will. Note for instance the cheaper stamped mesh grille. The idea was to market a Pierce Arrow at an "attractive" price. Pierce was desparate to sell cars at this point, without of course giving up their traditional approach to building cars. They seemed to have sold a fair number of them, by Pierce standards.

Of course, they are way above something like a Packard 120, but a Pierce collector isn't going to pay "real Pierce" money for one of them.

Frank Starr
Seattle

Frank Starr
11-20-2007, 11:30 AM
$110k, huh? I doubt he'll get anywhere near that.

The 1934 836A is kind of the Pierce Arrow "stripper", the one attempt Pierce made at moving downmarket, if you will. Note for instance the cheaper stamped mesh grille. The idea was to market a Pierce Arrow at an "attractive" price. Pierce was desparate to sell cars at this point, without of course giving up their traditional approach to building cars. They seemed to have sold a fair number of them, by Pierce standards.

Of course, they are way above something like a Packard 120, but a Pierce collector isn't going to pay "real Pierce" money for one of them.

Frank Starr
Seattle

JBOYLE
11-20-2007, 11:52 AM
quote:Originally posted by go-studebaker

...back home in Melbourne on my mothers street, one of our neighbors bought a 1915 Stutz bearcat for scrap value, from the scrap yard in the early 1950's and drove it to colledge and kept it after.

Cars like that dont come up for a song anymore.


Slightly OT...

Aside from good luck like your neighbor's and restoration projects, Bearcats never went too cheap....a late member of the Stutz Club bought his '14 Bearcat in the late 40s from the second owner.
He paid the then not inconsequential sum of $3,000...which I believe would have bought a new Cadallic at the time.

The car has now passed to his grandson.
BTW: It was the car used for a lot of magazine tests in the 50s-80s...including Tom McCahill's test in Mechanics illustrated and a nice color feature in Car & Driver. It was also used as the pattern for the "Old Timers" early 50's wood/plastic model kit.


63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

JBOYLE
11-20-2007, 11:52 AM
quote:Originally posted by go-studebaker

...back home in Melbourne on my mothers street, one of our neighbors bought a 1915 Stutz bearcat for scrap value, from the scrap yard in the early 1950's and drove it to colledge and kept it after.

Cars like that dont come up for a song anymore.


Slightly OT...

Aside from good luck like your neighbor's and restoration projects, Bearcats never went too cheap....a late member of the Stutz Club bought his '14 Bearcat in the late 40s from the second owner.
He paid the then not inconsequential sum of $3,000...which I believe would have bought a new Cadallic at the time.

The car has now passed to his grandson.
BTW: It was the car used for a lot of magazine tests in the 50s-80s...including Tom McCahill's test in Mechanics illustrated and a nice color feature in Car & Driver. It was also used as the pattern for the "Old Timers" early 50's wood/plastic model kit.


63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

Roscomacaw
11-20-2007, 06:39 PM
Frank, interesting insight. Still - if you craved one, you couldn't begin to restore a clapped out one for $110K:)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
11-20-2007, 06:39 PM
Frank, interesting insight. Still - if you craved one, you couldn't begin to restore a clapped out one for $110K:)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Frank Starr
11-20-2007, 07:21 PM
Well, probably not, but close.

The trouble with restoring a Pierce sedan, or other closed classics, is the way they are built. First they build a beautiful structure for the body out of wood, including the door posts, the windshield pillar and the entire roof structure. It's the complete cage, but all made of shaped, fitted and joined pieces of wood.

Now, they form individual pieces of metal panels to the body contours and fit them by hand. So how do they attach them? The edges are wrapped around the adjacent frame member and then nailed by many little "tacks" in an area that will later be covered by upholstery or such. For instance, If you look carefully at the edge of the roof of that Pierce, you'll find that it wraps around inside the door opening and then again up behind the windlace/headliner.

So now you, the aspiring Pierce owner, come along 70 years later and figure, aah, that'll be a nice restoration project. One thing leads to another and you discover that after 70 years, that nice wood frame that the roof skin wraps around and where the water has been leaking in because the seal has failed is rotten. Now what do you do? You have this rotten wood that is neatly wrapped up in its own steel cocoon. How the hell do you get at that? It's like trying to unbake a cake.

Worse, Pierce never owned a press big enough to stamp a one-piece roof panel, so all Pierces have fabric insert roofs. You can see it in the top view of the car. So you know what that wood roof frame would be like after 70 years of deteriorating fabric.

As you say, a challenge.

Frank Starr

Frank Starr
11-20-2007, 07:21 PM
Well, probably not, but close.

The trouble with restoring a Pierce sedan, or other closed classics, is the way they are built. First they build a beautiful structure for the body out of wood, including the door posts, the windshield pillar and the entire roof structure. It's the complete cage, but all made of shaped, fitted and joined pieces of wood.

Now, they form individual pieces of metal panels to the body contours and fit them by hand. So how do they attach them? The edges are wrapped around the adjacent frame member and then nailed by many little "tacks" in an area that will later be covered by upholstery or such. For instance, If you look carefully at the edge of the roof of that Pierce, you'll find that it wraps around inside the door opening and then again up behind the windlace/headliner.

So now you, the aspiring Pierce owner, come along 70 years later and figure, aah, that'll be a nice restoration project. One thing leads to another and you discover that after 70 years, that nice wood frame that the roof skin wraps around and where the water has been leaking in because the seal has failed is rotten. Now what do you do? You have this rotten wood that is neatly wrapped up in its own steel cocoon. How the hell do you get at that? It's like trying to unbake a cake.

Worse, Pierce never owned a press big enough to stamp a one-piece roof panel, so all Pierces have fabric insert roofs. You can see it in the top view of the car. So you know what that wood roof frame would be like after 70 years of deteriorating fabric.

As you say, a challenge.

Frank Starr

rockne10
11-20-2007, 07:38 PM
Studebaker owned P-A from 1928 to 1935. The '35 Land Cruiser design was based on a Pierce Arrow show car. Back then, the cheapest offering from Studebaker was the Erskine and the most expensive was a Pierce Arrow truck.

rockne10
11-20-2007, 07:38 PM
Studebaker owned P-A from 1928 to 1935. The '35 Land Cruiser design was based on a Pierce Arrow show car. Back then, the cheapest offering from Studebaker was the Erskine and the most expensive was a Pierce Arrow truck.

Guido
11-20-2007, 08:40 PM
I often joke about large cars "riding like your living room". In this case, it may be true. Look at that sofa they call a back seat. :D
http://i23.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/c4/61/4467_12.JPG

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
11-20-2007, 08:40 PM
I often joke about large cars "riding like your living room". In this case, it may be true. Look at that sofa they call a back seat. :D
http://i23.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/c4/61/4467_12.JPG

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.