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50starlite
07-08-2015, 05:03 PM
I thought this was interesting. Maybe I've just not been paying attention.

Dick Lee

Hagerty Price Guide #3 Values 2010 Value 2015 Value Value Increase
1958 1959 Studebaker Scotsman
$8,600 $15,500 +80%

1960 1966 Chevrolet K10
$5,118 $9,046 +76%

1948 1952 Ford F-1
$6,610 $10,720 +62%

1948 1954 Chevrolet 3100
$8,643 $13,571 +57%

1948 1952 Dodge B-Series
$6,320 $9,420 +49%

StudeRich
07-08-2015, 07:57 PM
One thing you did not mention, these are all TRUCKS! And a Chevy. K10 is a Blazer! Revised: it's a 4X4 1/2 Ton. :eek:

What have they been smoking?

rayoung55
07-08-2015, 08:13 PM
I believe the K5 was the Blazer. The K10 I think are 1/2 ton 4X4 pick ups.

flyinlow
07-08-2015, 09:08 PM
Yes you are correct a K10 is a 1/2 ton 4X4 pickup the Blazer is a K5

Xcalibur
07-09-2015, 01:56 PM
...and, the "point" is??? Maybe, traditionally cheap Studes aren't always?

Dick Steinkamp
07-09-2015, 03:24 PM
Can you provide links to the data you posted? Seems very high to me...especially the Scotsman.

Here's what I get from the Hagerty site...

https://www.hagerty.com/valuationtools/HVT/VehicleSearch/Report?vbe=34209

#3 condition Scotsman (August 2008...as far back as the graph goes) = $3,000
(April 2015...most current point on the graph) = $3,600

karterfred88
07-09-2015, 04:35 PM
As with most "guides" they are published for their audience. Since Hagerty is selling directly to the collector crowd and insuring same, it only makes sense to show vehicles at the highest values--feel good principle. Looking at an Avanti, you'll see almost by magic they have gone from 15-25k drivers to 60k restored vehicles in a few short months. That's why most don't sell at auctions because they never "hit reserves" in the bidding--wish full thinking abounds. They get their figures from auction results, not private party sales, or E-Bay results. So one sale at an outrageous price means all the others are now worth more--yeah right.

jackb
07-10-2015, 10:36 AM
......and Hagerty's MO is to place such an artificially high value on it, so that when you can't sell it, feel upside down, have it insured through them (since they massaged the heck out of you), you won't put any miles on it for fear of losing said made-up value.......and they will never get a claim against them for lack of road (damage)exposure....(enter Griot's garage....).

64studeavanti
07-10-2015, 05:20 PM
I agree with Dick, where did the OP Hagerty value come from. When I use their valuation tool at https://www.hagerty.com/valuationtools/HVT/VehicleSearch I get that a #3 58 Champion Scotsman 2dr is valued at $6100 and a #3 58 Champion Scotsman 4dr is valued at $3600. A #1 2dr is only valued at $11,400. (as of May 2015)

I think that their values are not far off. The problem is that most CASO think their car is #1 or #2 instead of #3 or #4. I opine that there are very few #1 or #2 cars in Stude land.

2R2
07-10-2015, 05:34 PM
This could be the Haggerty article causing the confusion:

https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2015/07/06/Classic-Pickups

StudeRich
07-10-2015, 05:48 PM
HA, Ha, ha! ... I don't think confusion is a strong enough word! :lol:

64studeavanti
07-10-2015, 06:39 PM
My apologies to OP! I ignorantly assumed we were discussing cars. Trucks usually have higher values than cars - even today. I see no reason why that should not be the same in the collectors market. I am glad that Stude made such a good showing.

Dick Steinkamp
07-10-2015, 08:19 PM
This could be the Haggerty article causing the confusion:

https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2015/07/06/Classic-Pickups

...so, if you can snag a #3 Scotsman pickup for $10k, you can flip it for a quick $5k? I don't believe I would make that purchase, but go right ahead ;)

Dick Steinkamp
07-10-2015, 08:23 PM
My apologies to OP! I ignorantly assumed we were discussing cars. Trucks usually have higher values than cars - even today.

I'd probably argue that.

A 57 Chevy pickup is worth more than a 57 Chevy hardtop? 32 Ford pickup worth more than any body of a 32 Ford car? 63 Ford pickup worth more than a 63 Ford hardtop or convertible? I'm not sure I could come up with a pickup that is worth more than a same year car of the same make (I'm sure there are some...I just can't think of one).

bob40
07-10-2015, 08:42 PM
I'd probably argue that.

A 57 Chevy pickup is worth more than a 57 Chevy hardtop? 32 Ford pickup worth more than any body of a 32 Ford car? 63 Ford pickup worth more than a 63 Ford hardtop or convertible? I'm not sure I could come up with a pickup that is worth more than a same year car of the same make (I'm sure there are some...I just can't think of one).

1964-66 Dodge CSS pickup. I have only seen one in person,rather hard to find.Info here:
http://cssregistry.com/css/whatis.html

There is also the 1957 Dodge Sweptside.
http://www.hemmings.com/hcc/stories/2012/07/01/hmn_feature16.html

I may be partial to Dodge pickups ;)

50starlite
07-11-2015, 05:44 PM
Hagerty [news@news.hagerty.com]

Get every week.

Dick

mbstude
07-11-2015, 06:50 PM
Well, a '59 Scotsman pickup just sold on ebay for over $17K. Surprised me.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1959-Studebaker-4E2-/121691711655?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=CPsPa%252BTWe4qsevr46bUvu7J3%252B%252FQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

jnormanh
07-11-2015, 07:09 PM
Well, a '59 Scotsman pickup just sold on ebay for over $17K. Surprised me.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1959-Studebaker-4E2-/121691711655?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=CPsPa%252BTWe4qsevr46bUvu7J3%252B%252FQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc


Haggerty would call this a #3, and values it at $16,000




#3 cars could possess some, but not all of the issues of a #4 car, but they will be balanced by other factors such as a fresh paint job or a new, correct interior. #3 cars drive and run well, but might have some incorrect parts. These cars are not used for daily transportation but are ready for a long tour without excuses, and the casual passerby will not find any visual flaws. "Good" is the one word description of a #3 car.

No reason to be surprised.

jnormanh
07-11-2015, 07:31 PM
Can you provide links to the data you posted? Seems very high to me...especially the Scotsman.

Here's what I get from the Hagerty site...

https://www.hagerty.com/valuationtools/HVT/VehicleSearch/Report?vbe=34209

#3 condition Scotsman (August 2008...as far back as the graph goes) = $3,000
(April 2015...most current point on the graph) = $3,600

That's a 4 door sedans. Try again for. '59 truck.

Andy R.
07-11-2015, 07:46 PM
I'd probably argue that.

... I'm not sure I could come up with a pickup that is worth more than a same year car of the same make (I'm sure there are some...I just can't think of one).

:) I can think of ONE...

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3130%2F3204715893_db97bc4653_z.jpg&f=1

TWChamp
07-11-2015, 09:47 PM
:) I can think of ONE...

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3130%2F3204715893_db97bc4653_z.jpg&f=1

I like my Studes stock, but that sure is good looking and it looks like someone did very nice work building it.

Dick Steinkamp
07-11-2015, 11:42 PM
[QUOTE=Andy R.;930938]:) I can think of ONE...

...;).....