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wlfrench
02-03-2015, 12:52 PM
Would an R1 GT Hawk have badges that say Avanti powered or R1 like I'v seen on R2s?

http://classiccars.com/listings/view/618631/1963-studebaker-gran-turismo-for-sale-in-springfield-ohio-45503

StudeRich
02-03-2015, 01:06 PM
The answer is YES and NO. Yes R1's did have the square Avanti Powered Plaque, IF they got one. Not all of the Jet Thrust equipped Larks/Hawks got them for several reasons:

They were not available for the very early Production Cars.
Some were installed after sale at the Dealers.
Some never were installed because the owner never got them or they were not wanted.
Some have been removed over the years.
Some were even Owner Installed in the wrong place, especially on Larks.

So in other words, it has nothing to do with whether or not it is an original Jet Thrust or Super Hawk at all.

I think 63V11315 MAY have already been verified here as a real Factory R1 on an earlier post.

8E45E
02-03-2015, 01:28 PM
They were not available for the very early Production Cars.
Some were installed after sale at the Dealers.
Some were even Owner Installed in the wrong place, especially on Larks.

Because some didn't read the instructions!! http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?71487-1963-JT-Engine-Badge-Location&highlight=badge+location

Craig

BobPalma
02-03-2015, 06:55 PM
:o Another possibility, often overlooked, is that either or both front fenders were replaced due to rust or collision...and the fender tags, even if they were on there before the fender(s) were replaced, never got transferred to the new fenders. :( BP

wlfrench
02-03-2015, 07:08 PM
How much should the R1 package add to purchase price of a 63 GT Hawk driver?

StudeRich
02-03-2015, 07:26 PM
That is very hard one to answer, since other options and CONDITION play so much bigger roll than an R1 Engine, now an R2 Engine or a R1 Full Super Hawk Package would make quite a difference, at least $3-5,000.00 probably more.

I am assuming this car just has an Avanti Engine only, but that has to be verified.

I can see that it appears to be a later build, but was it April '63 or later to be able to have a Full Super Package is the question. The fact that there is no R1 Grille badge, is not a good enough indication of anything.

So maybe $2-3000.00 for the R1, these are total guesses, to be more accurate you would have to check a half dozen actual Sales of Non-R1 vs. R1 Cars.

wlfrench
02-04-2015, 06:16 AM
What all would be included in the R1 Full Super Hawk Package? And how would one tell the diff?

8E45E
02-04-2015, 06:41 AM
What all would be included in the [COLOR=#333333]R1 Full Super Hawk Package? And how would one tell the diff?

Post #2: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?2421-super-hawk&highlight=package+stabilizer

Craig