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Guido
11-02-2007, 07:44 PM
The pictures tell the story. You would think the owner could have removed the blue tarp before taking all the pictures. :(
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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

avantilover
11-02-2007, 10:50 PM
I see its in Washington state, a good project for Dick Steinkamp or StudeRich (LOL).

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

avantilover
11-02-2007, 10:50 PM
I see its in Washington state, a good project for Dick Steinkamp or StudeRich (LOL).

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

StudeRich
11-02-2007, 11:16 PM
Yeah John; Mike (hotwheels63r2) and I are all OVER it! Mostly over it! :D As in forgotten it! [:0]


quote:Originally posted by avantilover

I see its in Washington state, a good project for Dick Steinkamp or StudeRich (LOL).John Clements

Hey! It's the same color as cjsteak's '58 Commander Hardtop! Maybe HE need's a stable mate for his '58!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
11-02-2007, 11:16 PM
Yeah John; Mike (hotwheels63r2) and I are all OVER it! Mostly over it! :D As in forgotten it! [:0]


quote:Originally posted by avantilover

I see its in Washington state, a good project for Dick Steinkamp or StudeRich (LOL).John Clements

Hey! It's the same color as cjsteak's '58 Commander Hardtop! Maybe HE need's a stable mate for his '58!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

showbizkid
11-03-2007, 12:09 AM
It takes a lot to achieve rust-through on valve covers!


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com
www.studebakersandiego.com

showbizkid
11-03-2007, 12:09 AM
It takes a lot to achieve rust-through on valve covers!


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com
www.studebakersandiego.com

bams50
11-03-2007, 04:39 AM
Rich, I'm sure you were joking, but it WOULD be cool to have a both a 58 2dr. and wagon as a set[8D]......................

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

bams50
11-03-2007, 04:39 AM
Rich, I'm sure you were joking, but it WOULD be cool to have a both a 58 2dr. and wagon as a set[8D]......................

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

StudeDave57
11-03-2007, 09:52 AM
I'm the guy in the family with all the two doors, they are '57s.
Dad's '58 is a President...

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca
www.studebakersandiego.com

'54 Commander Regal 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Commander DeLuxe 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion Custom 2dr 'Jewel'
'57 Parkview (she's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
11-03-2007, 09:52 AM
I'm the guy in the family with all the two doors, they are '57s.
Dad's '58 is a President...

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca
www.studebakersandiego.com

'54 Commander Regal 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Commander DeLuxe 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion Custom 2dr 'Jewel'
'57 Parkview (she's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

cjsteak
11-03-2007, 10:41 AM
LOL... My wife would kill me if I dragged home a "matching" wagon! It would be kinda cool though...

Chris Salisbury
Hutto/Austin, TX

1958 Commander Starlight Hardtop

cjsteak
11-03-2007, 10:41 AM
LOL... My wife would kill me if I dragged home a "matching" wagon! It would be kinda cool though...

Chris Salisbury
Hutto/Austin, TX

1958 Commander Starlight Hardtop

cjsteak
11-03-2007, 10:41 AM
Actually I need the V in the grill for my car hmmm.... does that give me a good enough reason to drag the whole car back?

Chris Salisbury
Hutto/Austin, TX

1958 Commander Starlight Hardtop

cjsteak
11-03-2007, 10:41 AM
Actually I need the V in the grill for my car hmmm.... does that give me a good enough reason to drag the whole car back?

Chris Salisbury
Hutto/Austin, TX

1958 Commander Starlight Hardtop

Roscomacaw
11-03-2007, 02:03 PM
WOW[xx(] "Brake bands need replaced". Geez, my
Provincial came with the optional brakes that use shoes instead of bands! I thought external brake bands disappreared in the Teens! That is, if you discount those used for parking brakes on some big trucks.[}:)]
Put that thing in a derusting tank and sift out the glass, plastic and stainless about two weeks later.[V]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
11-03-2007, 02:03 PM
WOW[xx(] "Brake bands need replaced". Geez, my
Provincial came with the optional brakes that use shoes instead of bands! I thought external brake bands disappreared in the Teens! That is, if you discount those used for parking brakes on some big trucks.[}:)]
Put that thing in a derusting tank and sift out the glass, plastic and stainless about two weeks later.[V]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Guido
11-03-2007, 04:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs
I thought external brake bands disappreared in the Teens!
Bob,

Actually a number of tractors used band type brakes at least into the '50's, including the Farmall M's. Later tractors went to disc brakes, with the Fordson Majors using ball bearings in a ramp to exert the braking force.

Gary

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
11-03-2007, 04:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs
I thought external brake bands disappreared in the Teens!
Bob,

Actually a number of tractors used band type brakes at least into the '50's, including the Farmall M's. Later tractors went to disc brakes, with the Fordson Majors using ball bearings in a ramp to exert the braking force.

Gary

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Roscomacaw
11-03-2007, 05:23 PM
Well, tractors aren't IN the equation, Gary.[}:)] Interesting tho - about the Fordson Majors. That was the style of disc brake that Chrysler used on an early Imperial. I think it was the first American production car to use disc brakes of a sort.

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
11-03-2007, 05:23 PM
Well, tractors aren't IN the equation, Gary.[}:)] Interesting tho - about the Fordson Majors. That was the style of disc brake that Chrysler used on an early Imperial. I think it was the first American production car to use disc brakes of a sort.

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

wpsrea
11-03-2007, 05:28 PM
"not been drove" Please.

wpsrea
11-03-2007, 05:28 PM
"not been drove" Please.

Guido
11-03-2007, 05:29 PM
Actually the Super Major's brakes would not have worked on a car as there are discs on each side with a center actuator that expands the discs to create stopping power. [:0] While it has been almost 20 years since I worked on one (and I no longer have the manuals), I recall that the actuator has ball bearings in the middle and pedal pressure forced the bearings up ramps moving the two sides of the actuator in opposite directions to create the necessary expansion. The discs are faced on both sides and thus run against the center actuator and the outside of the housing to stop the machine.

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
11-03-2007, 05:29 PM
Actually the Super Major's brakes would not have worked on a car as there are discs on each side with a center actuator that expands the discs to create stopping power. [:0] While it has been almost 20 years since I worked on one (and I no longer have the manuals), I recall that the actuator has ball bearings in the middle and pedal pressure forced the bearings up ramps moving the two sides of the actuator in opposite directions to create the necessary expansion. The discs are faced on both sides and thus run against the center actuator and the outside of the housing to stop the machine.

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Roscomacaw
11-03-2007, 07:35 PM
Gary, that's just how the Imperial's brakes worked.;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
11-03-2007, 07:35 PM
Gary, that's just how the Imperial's brakes worked.;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

StudeRich
11-03-2007, 07:46 PM
Maybe I should buy it for the super rare (as in not invented in '58) AM/FM Radio! [:0] Or maybe the master fluid holder thingy that just needs cleaning out! [:0]:D

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
11-03-2007, 07:46 PM
Maybe I should buy it for the super rare (as in not invented in '58) AM/FM Radio! [:0] Or maybe the master fluid holder thingy that just needs cleaning out! [:0]:D

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Guido
11-03-2007, 07:49 PM
The tractor brakes slide on a bull shaft with the brake housing at the end. Pressure is exerted to the inside and outside of the housing as well as on the actuator. How is the setup attached on a car?

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
11-03-2007, 07:49 PM
The tractor brakes slide on a bull shaft with the brake housing at the end. Pressure is exerted to the inside and outside of the housing as well as on the actuator. How is the setup attached on a car?

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

studegary
11-04-2007, 11:58 AM
What do you call the wear pieces that you rivet on the brake shoes (the metal part)? I thought that they were brake bands.
EDIT: Now it comes to me. They are replaceable brake linings.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studegary
11-04-2007, 11:58 AM
What do you call the wear pieces that you rivet on the brake shoes (the metal part)? I thought that they were brake bands.
EDIT: Now it comes to me. They are replaceable brake linings.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

Roscomacaw
11-04-2007, 02:52 PM
The Imperial brakes ('49-50) had two discs opposing each other seperated by 6 steel balls held captive in sloped slots machined into the backside of the two discs. The two discs had multiple pads bonded to the outer faces and an outer housing that the pads worked against. the inner discs were actuated by cylinders in opposite directions. When actuated, the steel balls - rolling in their graduated slots - forced the two plates apart and thereby exerted the pads against the housing faces. It only lasted two years, so that says something about it's worth.
There WAS a traditional caliper type disc brake used on '49-'50 Crosleys. My old Motors manual calls them a "Hawley type disc brake":)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
11-04-2007, 02:52 PM
The Imperial brakes ('49-50) had two discs opposing each other seperated by 6 steel balls held captive in sloped slots machined into the backside of the two discs. The two discs had multiple pads bonded to the outer faces and an outer housing that the pads worked against. the inner discs were actuated by cylinders in opposite directions. When actuated, the steel balls - rolling in their graduated slots - forced the two plates apart and thereby exerted the pads against the housing faces. It only lasted two years, so that says something about it's worth.
There WAS a traditional caliper type disc brake used on '49-'50 Crosleys. My old Motors manual calls them a "Hawley type disc brake":)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Guido
11-04-2007, 06:59 PM
So the Imperial system was lacking the center actuator that also provided an additional braking surface. I think I have it and if I come across an old Motors book I will look them up.

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
11-04-2007, 06:59 PM
So the Imperial system was lacking the center actuator that also provided an additional braking surface. I think I have it and if I come across an old Motors book I will look them up.

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.