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Mike Van Veghten
12-09-2014, 02:59 PM
What car(s) do the eyebrow-less rings come from ?
Looking for options for my 54 drily driver and I like the smooth look.

And I guess I should ask, if anyone has a set that they would be willing to sell..?

Thanks

Mike

rkapteyn
12-09-2014, 04:59 PM
Mike let us know what you are talking about?

Mike Van Veghten
12-09-2014, 05:33 PM
The headlight rings without the eyebrow at the top.
Looking for the rings that are smooth, the same shape all the way around.
That just form a nice smooth shape from the bulb lens around to the fender, 360 degrees.
No lip at the top.

Mike

52-fan
12-09-2014, 05:49 PM
Back when I had a 54 Starliner and was considering options, I picked up a headlight ring off the shelf and tried it for size. It fit perfectly up to the fender and gave the lights a Bonneville look. I think the ring was a spare for my brothers Transtar, but I suspect many smooth rings for that size headight would work.

Flashback
12-09-2014, 05:54 PM
Try a 49 Ford, and years around it. I have used the 49 Ford myself.

rockne10
12-09-2014, 06:00 PM
I believe '63-64 GT Hawks.

SN-60
12-09-2014, 06:13 PM
I believe '63-64 GT Hawks.

No, I don't think he's speaking of the '63-'64 GT style here.

Mike Van Veghten
12-09-2014, 06:28 PM
Correct.
As SN-60 states, it's not the Hawk. They aren't a smooth transition from the headlight to the fender.
The 49ish Fords may be the ones. Just want to make sure the depth is correct.

Thanks

Mike

mch
12-09-2014, 08:13 PM
no eyebrow on the 63 GTHawk

Robert
12-09-2014, 09:11 PM
Jeep used them from late 40,s-early 60,s,maybe later.Some were chromed and others stainless.Also early International Scout.

sals54
12-09-2014, 10:03 PM
Try a 49 Ford, and years around it. I have used the 49 Ford myself.

I've been told more than a few times that these Ford rings are indeed the ones you're looking for. They do make for a great look on the car, in my opinion, that is...

jclary
12-09-2014, 10:07 PM
I've been told more than a few times that these Ford rings are indeed the ones you're looking for. They do make for a great look on the car, in my opinion, that is...

For those who have read and know of the common design heritage between this Ford design and Studebaker...you would think that the dimensions should "flow" well at the transition point where the fender ends, and the headlight rim is attached.:)

kurtruk
12-10-2014, 12:20 AM
47-49 Commander?
40s-56 Dodge trucks, etc. Is that what you mean?

StudeRich
12-10-2014, 01:28 AM
The inside Ring on Avantis is a 1930's Studebaker Ring, and the Transtar Rings also have that uniform smooth surface 360 Degrees.

dnevin
12-10-2014, 01:44 AM
This thread is worthless without pictures. ;)

sals54
12-10-2014, 04:28 AM
Pictures…. See what they have in common….

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/sals54/hrdp_1012_08_o2010_bonneville_speed_week1953_studebaker_zps2bcefc19.jpg (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/sals54/media/hrdp_1012_08_o2010_bonneville_speed_week1953_studebaker_zps2bcefc19.jpg.html)
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/sals54/studebaker1953bonneville_zps55ec8441.jpg (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/sals54/media/studebaker1953bonneville_zps55ec8441.jpg.html)http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/sals54/1953_Studebaker_SCTA_Bonneville_Land_Speed_Record_Race_Car_For_Sale_Beard_resize _zps27830f71.jpg (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/sals54/media/1953_Studebaker_SCTA_Bonneville_Land_Speed_Record_Race_Car_For_Sale_Beard_resize _zps27830f71.jpg.html)

jimmijim8
12-10-2014, 05:57 AM
perhaps 59-60 lark

Quentin
12-10-2014, 07:25 AM
This 63 Hawk has eyebrows http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/images/icons/icon11.png.....don't know for how long- have some good quality "eyebrows" with nice chrome, and wanted to see how they went with the big square 63 side grille.. Q

rkapteyn
12-10-2014, 08:13 AM
Those rings in the picture are not Studebaker.
Bob

Quentin
12-10-2014, 08:32 AM
are you referring to my picture? Perhaps I should sue Stude Int'l!!

2moredoors
12-10-2014, 09:04 AM
are you referring to my picture? Perhaps I should sue Stude Int'l!!

Your chrome rings are the style on 53 to 62 CK models and 53 to 55 Sedans. Please do not sue Ed Reynolds, court costs plus your settlement will drive the cost of his parts up.

Quentin
12-10-2014, 09:14 AM
what did you think of the 1312088 facelift?

52hawk
12-10-2014, 11:30 AM
perhaps 59-60 lark 60 Lark won't work,tried them on my Hawk.Outer circle too small to hide opening in fenders.

gordr
12-10-2014, 11:56 AM
Morris Minor headlight rings ought to work, but '49 Ford are probably easier to find. Probably some big truck and industrial equipment rings out there, too.

rockinhawk
12-10-2014, 05:04 PM
Here are a couple that might work. 1965 Triumph Spitfire, and 58 Transtar.3987839879

StudeRich
12-10-2014, 07:21 PM
what did you think of the 1312088 facelift?

It looks pretty much like a '62, but it does not match the cool Late '63 Parking Light Bezels. I like it better the way it should be.
Your Car, YOUR choice!

Halibrand1
12-10-2014, 08:40 PM
Does anyone know about the Yellow hardtop ? Looks like an unwanted Race Car with decent looking complete grilles still intact and an overall Cool Look . Also would like to know what the headlight rims are off . Ed

sals54
12-11-2014, 01:57 AM
Here are a couple that might work. 1965 Triumph Spitfire, and 58 Transtar.3987839879

These don't work. I've tried the truck rings. The rear portion does not spread out far enough to cover the fenders. If you look at the pictures of the Studes above, you can see how "flat" the ring is required to be to get the coverage.

Mike Van Veghten
12-11-2014, 08:35 AM
Thanks all.
Seems it's still a Ford thing...

Mike

P.s. - Thanks for the pictures Sal....that's what I'm looking for.

rkapteyn
12-11-2014, 08:57 AM
are you referring to my picture? Perhaps I should sue Stude Int'l!!
No
I was referring to the other smooth transition headlight rim pictures.
Be easy on Ed Reynolds.
It is his fault that so many nice Studebakers are still on the road!

Robert Kapteyn

Son O Lark
12-11-2014, 09:11 AM
Googled 1949 Ford headlight rings and found these $30.00 apiece--kustomcarparts.com/Headlight-Rings-and-Buckets_c150.htm. There were tons of others also.

Pat Dilling
12-11-2014, 10:19 AM
Here is a direct link for the pieces Son O Lark posted. http://shop.kustomcarparts.com/1949-1950-Ford-Mercury-Stainless-Steel-headlight-Bezel-each-headlight-bez-4950f.htm

I have done business with these folks before and they provide good service.

Son O Lark
12-11-2014, 11:04 AM
Thanks Pat! I was wondering why my link wouldn't work, now I see why.

PackardV8
12-11-2014, 11:27 AM
Does anyone know about the Yellow hardtop ? Looks like an unwanted Race Car with decent looking complete grilles still intact and an overall Cool Look . Also would like to know what the headlight rims are off . Ed

Hi, Ed,

There was a thread here some years back. Agree, it is way cool and had been sitting in the weeds for many years. One concern was since that car was last run, the SCTA safety regs have gotten increasingly expensive to meet. IIRC, that car would have required a new roll cage, new seat, new head restraint, new windows, new fire suppression and many other upgrades. Still would have been a good starting point for someone with Stude LSR dreams.

jack vines

Mike Van Veghten
12-11-2014, 12:19 PM
Cool...thanks Pat.
I had planned to go on a hunt over the holidays, as I have a few days off. Looks like I don't need to do anything but make a phone call.

Thanks again

Mike

Mohr HP
12-11-2014, 04:26 PM
The answer to the question is...1949-1951 Chevrolet car. That's what most of the Bonnevillains use.

TrickyRick
12-14-2014, 07:02 PM
These were on my 53 Commander.

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/rickb794/Mobile%20Uploads/20141214_155121_zps7c0bb531.jpg

Anyone know what they are?

sals54
12-14-2014, 07:45 PM
These were on my 53 Commander.

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/rickb794/Mobile%20Uploads/20141214_155121_zps7c0bb531.jpg

Anyone know what they are?
Yes… those are 63 or 64 GT Hawk rings. They will fit any of the CK bodies cars, i.e. Hawk, Commander, President, etc. In fact, they would fit the 53-55 sedans and wagons as well.

Mike Van Veghten
12-14-2014, 07:51 PM
Rick -

They look like the later (63-64) Hawk rings.

Mike

Ha...Sal beat me to it..!

ed ellis
12-14-2014, 09:23 PM
Mike, Robert gave you the best advice in post #12. As i remember the early 50s WILLYS and JEEPS thru the early 60s fit perfectly. I ran a set on my first Studebaker (54 C). Even the screw holes line up. I'm guessing because STUDEBAKER and WILLYS/KAISER/ JEEP sourced the headlight buckets from the same vendor/supplier.

Mohr HP
12-15-2014, 02:16 PM
I had the same question when building my land speed racer. When I went out to Bonneville, I querried every Stude coupe owner I could find; they all had the same response. '49-'51 Chevrolet car.

Mike Van Veghten
12-15-2014, 04:21 PM
Thanks Mr. Mohr.
Will be ordering a set (Chevy or Ford..) over the holidays.

Mike

TrickyRick
12-15-2014, 06:35 PM
thank you for the quick replies

dnevin
12-15-2014, 11:13 PM
Thanks for the pics!

Mike Van Veghten
02-02-2015, 08:43 PM
Son-O-lark, Pat Dilling -

Thanks guys.
The guy at "Kustom Car Parts" was VERY helpful. He went out of his way to help out. I gotta let him know these will work fine.

Here's the scoop on eyebrow-"less" or smooth headlight rings.
We (the guy that answered the phone) and I measured the Stude, the Ford and the Chevy headlight rings. Per his numbers, the "Chevy" rings seemed to be the better fit. With everything we measured and talked about. So, he sent out a set of Chevy rings.

I got them today (ordered Friday.!).
1. The outside diameter fits the Stude fender VERY nicely. The Ford would be a bit too large on the o.d of the ring.

2. The rings (both Chevy and Ford) are shorter thAn the Stude ring. What this does is to "show" a little more of the stainless ring that tightly surrounds the headlight. I believe they all have this sub-ring. This is not a bad thing, at least to me. It actually kinda looks at home with the overall smaller size of the new headlight ring.

3. The i.d. is a little larger than the Stude ring. I do wish it were a little tighter, but it's no where near a negative. It'll be one of those things that I'll forget about in less thAn a week..!

4. While the attach hole in the bottom fits the Stude headlight bucket correctly, there is no clip to hook into the to the top. BUT...since these rings are formed stainless steel with nice rolls both i.d. and o.d., it will be a simple task to head to the local hobby shop, buy some spring wire and form a wire clip to stick into the Stude headlight bucket. The rings came with clips to do...something...but.

5. These rings are about 5lbs. lighter thAn the Stude potmetal rings...! They weigh almost nothing..! This will help offset some of the additional weight of my double walled hood...! They are (these anyway) are a nicely formed and polished ring. And being that they are stainless steel, unless I crash into something, they should be in good shape for years to come.

So there you have it. If you want smooth rings, it's the 49/50 Chevy rings that fit the fender (at the ring to fender interface) diameter, properly. Otherwise, they are both (Chevy and Ford) pretty much the same.

Thanks again guys, and again, the guy at the Kustom Car Parts shop, was very helpful, he had no problem with doing the measurements on both his Ford and Chevy rings for me.

Mike