Looks like another 56J on the chopping block. After the beat-down Frank A's took recently, not sure if this is a good season for selling 56Js. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Stude...062b29&vxp=mtr
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Another nice car out of FL. It could be better served by more of the JDP professional presentation. Those who know will ask questions, but the four photos and skimpy information doesn't sell very strongly to the 99% who know only little or nothing about the '56J.
The 3.54 rear axle ratio is interesting. As we know, the 3.08 was standard with the TwinUltramatic. Wonder if the build sheet would indicate it was ordered as an option or added by a later owner?
As far as Frank's beautiful car taking a beat-down, that's one, a bit harsh, and two, just the way of fleabay and the old car world. The '56J is an acquired taste. Those of us who love them can't make everyone else value them as highly as we do.
Personally, I'd make room for either one of those two.
jack vinesPackardV8
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Very little description for the asking price.
The seller is not experienced on eBay. He has one purchase and no sales. He should have gotten someone to help with his listing.
It does already have at least the opening $20K bid.Gary L.
Wappinger, NY
SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer
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Originally posted by PackardV8 View Post
As far as Frank's beautiful car taking a beat-down, that's one, a bit harsh, and two, just the way of fleabay and the old car world. The '56J is an acquired taste. Those of us who love them can't make everyone else value them as highly as we do.
jack vines
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Beautiful car . . . the color would be the deal breaker for me. Talk about subjective issues, paint/interior color can turn many people off of a car unless the price is a steal. Don't want to pay close to top dollar just to have to repaint/reupholster if I couldn't live with the color!!
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Originally posted by Bob Andrews View PostGreat post, and great point about certain cars being an acquired taste. But best of all is the sentence I have bolded. This is probably one of the least recognize truths in the entire collector car hobby- and even more so in the Studebaker world.
The people that learn and accept this universal truth are the ones that I find are most happy in the hobby.
As for mid 1950s colors, I guess we either love them or hate them. Doeskin & mocha, as Frank's car is, was one of the most popular colors in 1956. When viewed with the naked eye, that combo is still mesmerizing to many. But it does not look as good in pix for some reason.
Tangerine & white was not nearly as popular, but certainly recaptures the era well. I recall a family owned a tangerine & white Power Hawk in my hometown in the late 1960s, same time when I owned the black 56J. Back then, that color combo did not seem as bold appearing as it does now.
As Jack V. said, I'd be glad to have either one of those cars parked in my garage.
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the color on the 56J in the OP just screams Florida (or most any beach) car!
i'd love to have her crusing the beach here. unfortunately, my wallet is empty...Kerry. SDC Member #A012596W. ENCSDC member.
'51 Champion Business Coupe - (Tom's Car). Purchased 11/2012.
'40 Champion. sold 10/11. '63 Avanti R-1384. sold 12/10.
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Back in 1963, a popular auto magazine, 'CAR LIFE' I believe, evaluated a few interesting Studebaker models, one of these was the '56 Golden Hawk. The editor said..."This model should be avoided, except as a museum piece". I really hate to drive home the point once again, but we need to face the reality that the 56J had some serious problems compared to the '57 version.....And anyone who is in a position to spend big bucks today for a Golden Hawk will probably do their homework...and gravitate towards the '57-'58 Studebaker engined version. THIS is the reason 56J prices will always lag behind...What was true in 1963 is still true today.
On a more positive note, I personally feel the small finned '56 Golden looks nicer than the '57 model....The large canted fins Studebaker tacked on in '57, and the round 'trailer type' tailights, really never flattered the clean lines of a Studebaker (K) hardtop.(IMHO)
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Originally posted by SN-60 View PostBack in 1963, a popular auto magazine, 'CAR LIFE' I believe, evaluated a few interesting Studebaker models, one of these was the '56 Golden Hawk. The editor said..."This model should be avoided, except as a museum piece". I really hate to drive home the point once again, but we need to face the reality that the 56J had some serious problems compared to the '57 version.....And anyone who is in a position to spend big bucks today for a Golden Hawk will probably do their homework...and gravitate towards the '57-'58 Studebaker engined version. THIS is the reason 56J prices will always lag behind...What was true in 1963 is still true today.
On a more positive note, I personally feel the small finned '56 Golden looks nicer than the '57 model....The large canted fins Studebaker tacked on in '57, and the round 'trailer type' tailights, really never flattered the clean lines of a Studebaker (K) hardtop.(IMHO)
For the 10 percent who plan to seriously drive a Hawk today, whether 1956, 1964 or in between, they all need the same upgrades to be safe and dependable. That is mainly because they were designed for 1950s-60s roads, which do not exist today. Those upgrades include, but are not limited to: HD suspension, improved brakes, and modern gearing. A set of coil or leaf springs costs the same to purchase and install in any Hawk. Ditto for other upgrades. So it does not matter which Hawk a buyer chooses, if he's gonna seriously drive it, they all need the same upgrades.
It boils down to which Hawk a perspective buyer thinks looks coolest. Some, too, are intrigued by the wow factor of the original hot rod Hawk, and that will always be the 56J. All others came later. The 56J is kinda like a Vincent Black Shadow motorcycle; legendary, and many folks consider themselves lucky to ever actually see one in person. When folks compliment my 56J, I tell them, "Studebakers are rare, but this is a rare Studebaker", which pretty much says it all.Last edited by JoeHall; 11-21-2014, 05:05 PM.
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Originally posted by JoeHall View PostI am not impressed by a 1963 rag editor's opinion, unless he was speaking from personal experience, which I doubt. As for museum piece, about 90 percent of folks buying a Hawk today, any Hawk, will do far more showing than going. So museum piece is a compliment today.
For the 10 percent who plan to seriously drive a Hawk today, whether 1956, 1964 or in between, they all need the same upgrades to be safe and dependable. That is mainly because they were designed for 1950s-60s roads, which do not exist today. Those upgrades include, but are not limited to: HD suspension, improved brakes, and modern gearing. A set of coil or leaf springs costs the same to purchase and install in any Hawk. Ditto for other upgrades. So it does not matter which Hawk a buyer chooses, if he's gonna seriously drive it, they all need the same upgrades.
It boils down to which Hawk a perspective buyer thinks looks coolest. Some, too, are intrigued by the wow factor of the original hot rod Hawk, and that will always be the 56J. All others came later. The 56J is kinda like a Vincent Black Shadow motorcycle; legendary, and many folks consider themselves lucky to ever actually see one in person. When folks compliment my 56J, I tell them, "Studebakers are rare, but this is a rare Studebaker", which pretty much says it all.
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Originally posted by JoeHall View PostTangerine & white was not nearly as popular, but certainly recaptures the era well.
Craig
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Ed, I also love GT Hawks, and have put over 200,000 miles on 56Js, but over 300,000 on GTs. There ain't much difference in repairs, scheduled maintenance, or handling, once they are set up to drive.
When I get out of the GT after a couple of weeks, and then get into the 56J, it always feels like I am in a dragster for the first few miles, till re-calibrate my gas pedal foot. The 352 has road power the 289 just cannot duplicate. Nor could my bro-in-law's 57GH, when we followed each other all over the country in them, for about 10 years
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Originally posted by JoeHall View PostEd, I also love GT Hawks, and have put over 200,000 miles on 56Js, but over 300,000 on GTs. There ain't much difference in repairs, scheduled maintenance, or handling, once they are set up to drive.
When I get out of the GT after a couple of weeks, and then get into the 56J, it always feels like I am in a dragster for the first few miles, till re-calibrate my gas pedal foot. The 352 has road power the 289 just cannot duplicate. Nor could my bro-in-law's 57GH, when we followed each other all over the country in them, for about 10 years
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WOW! I love that Tangerine color.
I remember seeing a (non-56J) Hawk at the Long Beach Int'l in that sizzling color. I had to squint until my eyes adjusted and once they did I must have orbited the thing a dozen times in wonder. (Granted, I was recovering from heavy revelry of the night before, but still!)
OE style wheel covers and whitewalls would really do wonders for this car.Andy
62 GT
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I like the look of this e-bay Hawk, and it appears that it's equipped with power steering, which is a 'must' on this model. The owner has installed an Edelbrock carb in place of the original WCFB,......which isn't a bad way to go, but hopefully the original carb was left in the trunk. (There's a 56J up here in Massachusetts with this same Edelbrock carb setup, and the original carb IS still in the trunk!)
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