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candbstudebakers
11-17-2014, 11:00 AM
As posted a couple of weeks ago I have a 61 convert.V-8 with auto and air. after removing fenders, hood, trunk, front center grille section from this car and a 61 4 door car it is time make a decision on what to do, either put the good parts on the car and make it look better and sell or just go ahead and part every thing out? The convert has a really rusted out trunk floor but the 4 door car has a good rear clip that could be transferred over, the floors in both cars are rusted out and in need of replacing. The engine in the convert is stuck but not sure how much as I have not spent time trying to free it up yet, it is a replacement full flow engine not sure if 259 or 289 but will check into it more. The glass is good as is the chrome trim, windows go up and down but are tight, doors and rear fenders have some rust but not like the floors, the seats are there but need every thing, would like to sell it to someone that want to restore a convert. If I part it out items will go on a first come first served as always, so let me know your needs but keep in mind parts will only go if car is not sold out right, price is $2000.00 as it sits, has no title at this time but I can get a clear California title for about $200.00 if interested. Lets hear from the peanut gallery on this . here are a few pictures of what is there.

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/DSCN0280_zps066e5106.jpg (http://s691.photobucket.com/user/canbstudebakers/media/DSCN0280_zps066e5106.jpg.html)

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http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/DSCN0278_zpsb5907fd9.jpg (http://s691.photobucket.com/user/canbstudebakers/media/DSCN0278_zpsb5907fd9.jpg.html)

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/DSCN0277_zps6c1e03be.jpg (http://s691.photobucket.com/user/canbstudebakers/media/DSCN0277_zps6c1e03be.jpg.html)

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/DSCN0275_zps7974ea20.jpg (http://s691.photobucket.com/user/canbstudebakers/media/DSCN0275_zps7974ea20.jpg.html)

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/DSCN0273_zps2bbcc8bf.jpg (http://s691.photobucket.com/user/canbstudebakers/media/DSCN0273_zps2bbcc8bf.jpg.html)

more pictures on request.

swvalcon
11-17-2014, 11:11 AM
Bob my wife wants one of these but I have to many other things going to even think of draging home one more project if only it was a year or two down the road. Glad you sold the packard hawk one guy I had wasn't interested and the other hasn't gotten back to me so guessing the same there.

studegary
11-17-2014, 02:03 PM
They both look savable, but only for someone doing their own work. What I see of that convert. trunk, it looks good - from a NE reference point.

I would like the convert., but only if finished. I do not have another restoration in me.

All that you can reasonably do is to offer them here and perhaps on eBay. If they don't bring enough for you, then part them out. You certainly have the experience to know what sells and for how much and how much time and effort go into parting one out. If the convert. has correct, integrated factory A/C that is rare and desirable.

53k
11-17-2014, 02:47 PM
They both look savable, but only for someone doing their own work. What I see of that convert. trunk, it looks good - from a NE reference point.

I would like the convert., but only if finished. I do not have another restoration in me.

All that you can reasonably do is to offer them here and perhaps on eBay. If they don't bring enough for you, then part them out. You certainly have the experience to know what sells and for how much and how much time and effort go into parting one out. If the convert. has correct, integrated factory A/C that is rare and desirable.
It would be interesting to see that AC. My understanding was that factory air wasn't available on convertibles until '62.

8E45E
11-17-2014, 02:56 PM
As Gary states, they are both worth saving.

Craig

Corvanti
11-17-2014, 04:25 PM
Bob, i know from previous posts that you are trying to wind down "operations", but i agree that both are worthy of a ebay auction. probably separately or maybe a package deal.:)

candbstudebakers
11-18-2014, 12:44 AM
The 4 door is just going to be scrapped out with the good usable parts that fit the convert going there, the 6 cyl. engine is already on it's way to China and the 3 speed with out overdrive should have gone along with it not much good for any thing as I don't fish or even have a boat. The interior of the convert trunk is toast but the one off the 4 door is a very good replacement for it. If I end up parting out to sell, the tub will go away and only keep selling items like the A/C unit, engine trans, convert top, front fenders, glass, doors, not much need for the trunk lid or hood already have some of them in the stash, need to check out the rear end might be a tt but no emblems on the car to state such.

StudeRich
11-18-2014, 03:03 AM
I would not toss the Trans. Input Shaft, as it fits Overdrive T-96's.

candbstudebakers
11-18-2014, 10:15 AM
I would not toss the Trans. Input Shaft, as it fits Overdrive T-96's.

Big deal Rich even if it had overdrive I might just get rid of it , I have a load going to New Zealand very soon I just might but it with that load since they might need one down under, they can always send it to China they are a lot closer, the frame would also be saved.

candbstudebakers
11-18-2014, 10:26 AM
It would be interesting to see that AC. My understanding was that factory air wasn't available on convertibles until '62.

Paul why would you say that when every one knows you could order anything you wanted for a few bucks more. I need to look and the engine number if it has one since this is not the original engine the A/C might have come with the engine but if there is no number on the block and installed as a replacement engine then the A/C might have been original.

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/DSCN0273_zps2bbcc8bf.jpg (http://s691.photobucket.com/user/canbstudebakers/media/DSCN0273_zps2bbcc8bf.jpg.html)

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/DSCN0292_zpsfdb459e9.jpg (http://s691.photobucket.com/user/canbstudebakers/media/DSCN0292_zpsfdb459e9.jpg.html)

some how the first picture is wrong, here it the unit under the hood.

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/DSCN0293_zps58bfc2d6.jpg (http://s691.photobucket.com/user/canbstudebakers/media/DSCN0293_zps58bfc2d6.jpg.html)

Bob Andrews
11-18-2014, 10:27 AM
Hi Bob Good for you for trying to get these cars saved. I myself have learned a hard lesson about having limited space to save stuff. When my new shop is done next year I will be able to take on stuff like that convertible, definitely worth saving. Hope you find it a home. But although some get crushed, you have proven that there is an endless supply of more to be had. There is at least some comfort in that. Good luck with these Larks.

53k
11-18-2014, 12:07 PM
Paul why would you say that when every one knows you could order anything you wanted for a few bucks more. I need to look and the engine number if it has one since this is not the original engine the A/C might have come with the engine but if there is no number on the block and installed as a replacement engine then the A/C might have been original.

The '61 Accessories list shows AC as available on all Studebakers except "soft top convertibles". I think it was because with the balance weight in front of the radiator there was no room for the condensor. I had to enlarge a small picture of the list so it is pretty hard to read and a very small picture of a '61 AC so it is also hard to read.
The picture you have is a later model AC. The '61 was a one-year only AC that worked with the Climatizer and brought in fresh air through the cowl vent. They are very rare.

candbstudebakers
11-18-2014, 12:50 PM
Ok Paul you win this one but the car still has A/C along with the front weights and condenser .

Anne F. Goodman
11-18-2014, 01:23 PM
Anyone need any packardhawk parts in New Zealand?

Warren Webb
11-18-2014, 02:01 PM
The balance weights are mounted in the area behind the front bumper, below the headlamps & are bolted to the front panel from behind. Nowhere near where the condenser is mounted. If that were the case then later on Wagonaire's would not be able to have air conditioning since they use the same balance weight arrangement.

unclemiltie
11-18-2014, 02:19 PM
I have seen worse shape convertibles saved. I hope someone is able to make a deal with you. You have the sheet metal needed to save it and that is half the battle these days.

candbstudebakers
11-18-2014, 09:52 PM
Milt ,I know but also know other people's thinking and do hope someone steps up and saves it , I have done my part but now all I can do is work with someone else that really wants a convert. time will tell. Checked the engine today and it looks to be a 259 full flow with 70 heads, but older style valve covers and fill tube, I put Marville mystery oil in the holes today and will let the soak for a few days and see what happens.

Milaca
11-18-2014, 11:57 PM
Bob, I think you should restore it and keep it! Just think of the fun you can have driving it with the top down on a beautiful day!

irish
11-19-2014, 01:26 AM
Bob, this is off the subject but I sent you a PM about the 65-66 3 speed O/D

Joe

candbstudebakers
11-19-2014, 01:31 AM
Brent, I have a few to drive already.

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/1953%20custom/IM001174.jpg (http://s691.photobucket.com/user/canbstudebakers/media/1953%20custom/IM001174.jpg.html)

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/67%20Avanti/IM001190.jpg (http://s691.photobucket.com/user/canbstudebakers/media/67%20Avanti/IM001190.jpg.html)

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/white%2063%20super%20lark/IM004519-1.jpg (http://s691.photobucket.com/user/canbstudebakers/media/white%2063%20super%20lark/IM004519-1.jpg.html)

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/52%20hardtop/SAM_0863_zps96826073.jpg (http://s691.photobucket.com/user/canbstudebakers/media/52%20hardtop/SAM_0863_zps96826073.jpg.html)

I'am 73 years old and do not need something to work on or restore, you should get it and enjoy it in that Minnesota sun.

stude1964
11-19-2014, 10:38 AM
'61 A/C
The evap on the conv. appears to be later model but you could only tell if it was correct for '61 if it tied into the climatizer in the back. IIRC the evaporators look the same in the front from the posted pic. The bracket holding the evap. to the dash appears to be '62 GT as it's a 1 piece bracket as opposed to 2 'Z' brackets on later models. The condenser could be mounted forward of the radiator support bracket with the mounts that move it in front of the radiator . The SR wagons use the same set up w/o interfering with the weights which are mounted below the bumper in the front air panel. That looks like a great project -picking all the rot-free parts from a 4 door to save a drop top! I've done it here in PA. to bring back some of my '64's. It took several donors to make my Dad's '64 Champ as well as my '64 SR wagon. I've tried to save what I can now I feel the pains of storage for parts I'll never use. Thank you Bob for saving that rust free stuff and all your time storing it!
Rob in PA.

Dick Steinkamp
11-19-2014, 10:47 AM
Brent, I have a few to drive already.


Bob,
I remember this '60 you had...

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/1960%20stude%20vert/pics085.jpg

In fact, here you are driving it...


http://youtu.be/OAeGt9W1LK4?list=UUqzp1EaqUI6rYrz4HWDsFBg

unclemiltie
11-19-2014, 12:21 PM
Bob, I bet that 52 is a lot easier to get into than the avanti and 53. Nice cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

candbstudebakers
11-19-2014, 12:56 PM
Milt you got that right, then about the same as the 63 standard but not as fast. The white 60 convert. was a nice car and sold and is not living in Australia, I have good story about that one pulling my 88 one ton hauler and trailer with a 62 champ at the rear but it will have to wait, got to go to work now..

studegary
11-19-2014, 02:25 PM
'61 A/C
The evap on the conv. appears to be later model but you could only tell if it was correct for '61 if it tied into the climatizer in the back. IIRC the evaporators look the same in the front from the posted pic. Rob in PA.

I do not agree with this.
The 1961 Lark evaporator looks different than the one in Bob's car.
The 1961 evaporator for Larks is shown in the large 1961 brochure, PD-61-16. The evaporator is not straight across on either the the top or bottom edges.

Lou Van Anne
11-19-2014, 03:31 PM
Hey Bob, Two of those are my old rides...what's going on here?

candbstudebakers
11-19-2014, 08:21 PM
Ya Lou I know , so I owe you one come and get the 61 convert and that will keep you busy for years to come.