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Colgate Studebaker
10-26-2014, 10:25 AM
OK folks, I have a dilemma with one of my 64 GT's. It is VIN#64V 1205, built on 8/13/63. It is a big project car that the p.o. claimed was an L.A. auto show car, which the build sheet and shipping document seem to confirm. It is an R2, power shift with ALL the bells and whistles short of A FULL PACKAGE CAR. It is marked with 99 TAG INTRODUCTORY SHOW CAR and 413 SHOW CAR QUALITY, along with 2 columns of accessories. Here is my quandary, how do I restore this car? I know it SHOULD be done to original specs, but my tastes would go in a different direction. I understand, it's my money-my car, however I understand the historical importance of this car, if it is truly what it seems. Does anyone out there go back that far, that they remember seeing this car at one of the west coast shows? Sooooo, what do you think of this situation? Many thanks, Bill.

Pat Dilling
10-26-2014, 10:48 AM
From your comments I have the idea that a completely original car is not what you want to spend your time and resources on. To quote Ricky Nelson in his song Garden Party: "You see, ya can't please everyone, so ya got to please yourself." It would be hard for me to be motivated about working and investing my money in a car that results in something I was not that excited about.

One option for you to consider is to offer this car up for sale in hopes that someone who would do an original restoration would see the value and pay you a fair price. If it sells, then you start looking for a car that you would be comfortable finishing in the direction you would enjoy having and driving. You would want to promote it as a special car and include any documentation that you have. Take advantage of EBay and whatever wide scale sales tools you could find to give it maximum exposure. All that takes time and whether you are willing to wait to get started is up to you. If you at least attempt this, and you do not get fair offers for the car then that should give you a clear conscience to go forward as you want to. In the end, as you say, "Your car, your money" you are the one who needs to be happy with it in the end.

PackardV8
10-26-2014, 11:55 AM
Agree, there are always several GT Hawks around at reasonable prices one can modify. Some of them already have a lot of work, brakes, engine swaps, whatever done to them.

There's only one LA Show GT Hawk. Pass it on to someone who wants a "one-and-only".

jack vines

Studerick64
10-26-2014, 11:55 AM
I agree with Pat on this one. If no one is willing to step up and restore it as original then take your own path with it. How much difference in value is the showcar vs any other 64 R2 hawk? We have modified our 64 hawk and enjoy driving it a lot more.

studegary
10-26-2014, 12:02 PM
I also agree with Pat D. I am glad that he did all of the "typing".

8E45E
10-26-2014, 12:06 PM
One option for you to consider is to offer this car up for sale in hopes that someone who would do an original restoration would see the value and pay you a fair price. If it sells, then you start looking for a car that you would be comfortable finishing in the direction you would enjoy having and driving. You would want to promote it as a special car and include any documentation that you have. Take advantage of EBay and whatever wide scale sales tools you could find to give it maximum exposure. All that takes time and whether you are willing to wait to get started is up to you. If you at least attempt this, and you do not get fair offers for the car then that should give you a clear conscience to go forward as you want to.

I totally agree with this opinion.

Craig

Pat Dilling
10-26-2014, 12:22 PM
Another option is to offer to trade for a similar GT Hawk that does not have the unique heritage.

Colgate Studebaker
10-26-2014, 12:54 PM
Thanks to all so far. I agree that selling it is a good option. The issue is that it is a MAJOR project. The car is more parts than anything, frame and body shell together, the rest is in boxes and loose. That will make this one a hard sell. Hence, my looking for others opinions. I have a second 64 GT R1, that is a little more put together, so I'm not lacking something to work on. Bill

junior
10-26-2014, 12:59 PM
Another option is to offer to trade for a similar GT Hawk that does not have the unique heritage.

This seems (to me anyways) the way to go. Big question is, just how special is this car, and what is a typical Studebaker CASO (yes that includes me) willing to pay for the `special-ness` of this particular car? Just because it was in a major auto show makes me wonder how much it really adds to the value of the car. If you don`t offer it for sale or trade for an equivalent, or even better condition car all the purists are going to natter on and on about how such a valuable car has been destroyed by yet another idiot who chooses to modify their car to their desire. If you do decide to offer it to someone who will keep the car `pure` and no one takes you up on the offer then go for it and make it YOUR ride. Not being negative here, just real...willing to bet if you do modify it to your taste someone, somewhere is going to call you out on it. Bottom line, as you know, your car...please yourself. Wasn't it 'Boyd' (RIP) that said something like it takes a real man to cut up a classic and make a hot rod out of it (referring to a somewhat rare first-gen 'Vette) that he modified?? I always laugh at that and wish I had the $, name, and balls to be in the same position. have fun! junior

StudeRich
10-26-2014, 01:17 PM
So Bill, this is the Black with White Vinyl Roof '64 Show Car?
Don't we have Pics of the L.A. Auto Show that show it? ;)

8E45E
10-26-2014, 01:35 PM
OK folks, I have a dilemma with one of my 64 GT's. It is VIN#64V 1205, built on 8/13/63. It is a big project car that the p.o. claimed was an L.A. auto show car, which the build sheet and shipping document seem to confirm. It is an R2, power shift with ALL the bells and whistles short of A FULL PACKAGE CAR. It is marked with 99 TAG INTRODUCTORY SHOW CAR and 413 SHOW CAR QUALITY, along with 2 columns of accessories. Here is my quandary, how do I restore this car? I know it SHOULD be done to original specs, but my tastes would go in a different direction. I understand, it's my money-my car, however I understand the historical importance of this car, if it is truly what it seems. Does anyone out there go back that far, that they remember seeing this car at one of the west coast shows? Sooooo, what do you think of this situation? Many thanks, Bill.

I wonder it James & Stephanie would be interested in it.

Craig

8E45E
10-26-2014, 01:42 PM
There's only one LA Show GT Hawk.

Now I wonder if this one was the L.A. show car. James stated the L.A. show car is in Bellingham in post #5 here: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?17527-1964-Los-Angeles-Auto-Show-info-needed&highlight=angeles+show

It would be interesting to know which show this one was destined for, if it was not in L.A.

Craig

64studeavanti
10-26-2014, 01:50 PM
Pictures would help a lot.

Xcalibur
10-26-2014, 04:11 PM
If everyone tried to save every "historical" car, or anything else for that matter, it would be an impossible nightmare for many of the owners who would end up selling nice examples of things they otherwise could not deal with adequately to suit everyone else, from historians to fanatical purist. You say that you understand it's "your car and your money," but your post seems to me to suggest that you would like someone else to make the decision. I cannot do it, nor do I believe anyone else can either. However, seeking first-hand experiences with the car at the show, etc. is a different issue and one that any owner of a "significant" object can accumulate and preserve. I don't mean to sound harsh, if I have, and I wish you all the best no matter how you opt going with it.

sweetolbob
10-26-2014, 04:21 PM
Late to the party again, but put me in the "I agree with Pat column" Bill. Unless someone steps up and helps you finance the build of a different Hawk by buying yours, I'd forge ahead fearlessly and not look back.

Keep the tags and info and let the next guy worry about it. Just think of how excited he'll be when he finds those taped to the glovebox, Another Whistler moment.:)

Bob

Corvanti
10-26-2014, 07:04 PM
i agree with Pat and others. unless you're in a big hurry to get started on this one, place it for sale - ebay, here, the Studebaker Swap page, etc... if a purist or another want to save this "show car" from the "he!!fire & dam-nation":rolleyes: you want to do to her, let them step up and purchase at a price you can deal with.

if not, do what you are planning.:)

Colgate Studebaker
10-26-2014, 07:30 PM
I don't have pic's that would show anything. The car is basically a hulk with a lot of matching parts loose. Rich, the car is Ermine white with a black vinyl top. I followed some posts a while back about the noted L.A. show car, and this is why I wonder about the authenticity of this car. The car was shipped to Berlingame Studebaker in San Fransico, which is another question mark. I'm not looking for someone to push me in one direction or another, just opinions as to their how others would restore this car.I've got lots of time to make a decision as I intend to finish the R1 car first, and give me time to assemble needed parts etc. Thanks all, Bill.

Milaca
10-26-2014, 09:23 PM
Bill, how far from original would your changes be? A different paint color? Different interior? Mechanical changes?
Ermine white with a black top is a unique combination. Is the interior also black?

Swifster
10-26-2014, 09:28 PM
I will say this...An auto show car means bupkiss. You can make an argument that all the equipment and options add a lot of value to the car. I know where the Atlanta auto show car is and it's slowly sinking into the earth because the current owner thinks it's worth all kinds of money (for a rusty hulk).

Lou Van Anne
10-26-2014, 10:06 PM
We have a very smart Chapter President...I agree with Pat also.

Colgate Studebaker
10-27-2014, 04:43 PM
Brent, the interior should be black per build sheet, however it is needing total reupholstering and panels. Like I said, it is ALL parts needing restoration and reassembly. My thoughts are a different color,and some mechanical "upgrades". I'd really like swing pedals, relocating the master cylinder and battery. I also want air, along with the supercharger, so there would be some moving around of accessories under the hood. We'll see as time goes on what I will do. Thanks to all that have voiced their thoughts, Bill.