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1954MGTF
09-26-2014, 12:01 AM
1. I am new here, and I see a past post on this, but the link that was put up a few years ago no longer works. Can anyone tell me where to find or what they are?

2. I see a past post said this info is in the Sept 1998 issue of Turning Wheels. Can anyone scan that portion for me or is this not allowed?

3. A car I am interested in on the factory sheet says it was originally "P2675 Coral-Gry" Does this mean it was Coral on top and center and Gray on bottom or were all these cars really White top, Coral middle, Gray bottom? I know the middle was Coral as it still has that color under hood firewall and trunk.

4. Finally, how much if any does it hurt the value painting a Speedster a factory color, but not the one on factory build sheet?

Thanks, Keith in NJ

Studebaker Wheel
09-26-2014, 01:24 AM
Keith;

I wrote an extensive article (12 pages) on the Speedster for the October 1998 issue of Collectible Automobile and also the 4 page article for Turning Wheels (that you mention) in my monthly column "The Almanac" in Sept 1998. I did research on all 2215 Speedsters (examining the over 23,000 President production orders) and did a statistical breakdown of all colors and options. I am including below the information relevant to the paint colors that you ask about. The paint color code 2675 is for the Coraltone/Pimilico Gray combination. If you were to use any of the other standard colors shown on the Speedster in your restoration it WOULD NOT count against you in judging. Fortunately the SDC has never gone the route of the Chevy or Mopar guys and got involved in all that matching numbers nonsense and having the car identical to the way it was assembled. Hope that day never comes! I believe you would enjoy the Collectible Automobile article as copies of that issue show up frequently on Ebay. As for the Turning Wheels article (Almanac column), I could copy that and snail mail it or email a copy for a small fee.

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rkapteyn
09-26-2014, 06:11 AM
Talking about a matched numbers car , I once saw an ad for a "matching numbers" Studebaker.I called the owners asking what he meant with "matching numbers"
He said that the vin number plate matched the number on the tittle.
Robert Kapteyn

EssexExport
09-26-2014, 07:48 AM
Saw this nice one at the Waterbury Zone Meet:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10614247_597276553715087_2748559726247094130_n.jpg?oh=0e3ea8bedd8a873ba90fba9fae c522a4&oe=5485EA4B&__gda__=1418117882_3ab3de1e55d58db7e536460af8e7c767

53k
09-26-2014, 08:06 AM
1. I am new here, and I see a past post on this, but the link that was put up a few years ago no longer works. Can anyone tell me where to find or what they are?

2. I see a past post said this info is in the Sept 1998 issue of Turning Wheels. Can anyone scan that portion for me or is this not allowed?

3. A car I am interested in on the factory sheet says it was originally "P2675 Coral-Gry" Does this mean it was Coral on top and center and Gray on bottom or were all these cars really White top, Coral middle, Gray bottom? I know the middle was Coral as it still has that color under hood firewall and trunk.

4. Finally, how much if any does it hurt the value painting a Speedster a factory color, but not the one on factory build sheet?

Thanks, Keith in NJ
This rather hard to read chart shows what the color combinations were available of Speedsters and how they were applied.

PackardV8
09-26-2014, 12:14 PM
In fifty years of watching people watch Studebakers, without doubt the lemon-lime (Hialeah Green/SunValley Yellow ??) Speedster gets more attention than any other car or color combination.

jack vines

Chris Pile
09-26-2014, 12:47 PM
In fifty years of watching people watch Studebakers, without doubt the lemon-lime (Hialeah Green/SunValley Yellow ??) Speedster gets more attention than any other car or color combination.

Which I don't understand at all - I find it nauseating.
The tri-color pink/gray/white is much more interesting and beautiful in my opinion.

RareBird
09-26-2014, 01:10 PM
I am thankful that they don't judge color by the build sheet. I wanted a Packard Hawk for 35 years, just not a Beige one!!:eek:

1954MGTF
09-26-2014, 03:20 PM
Wow! What a great group of enthusiasts for my first post. I am impressed, but not surprised as I find Stude owners a friendly group from the few that I have met. Richard Quinn - what a great work you have done! As having done a similar task for MG TF models, largely unappreciated, I know the hours and hours it takes to get that one little page; thanks for sharing for free with me.
Glad this club does not dig into records to find the right color. Neither does the MG T as mine was Ivory originally and I painted dark green.
A question - the car I am thinking of buying, if I can find someone in Sacramento to look at it, is coded P 2675 Coral-Gry. It is a CA car. Does this mean it was gray top, pink middle, gray bottom? These cars are 3 parts - top middle bottom. So when it only shows two colors, what is the placement? For example you show both a Shasta White/Velvet Black and a Velvet Black/White. Explain the placement on the car of the 3 parts.
Thanks so much for all the responders. I read every word, and surprised to see a Jersey name! I grew up in N Indiana and my first car was a 53 6 stick coupe my dad gave me, an old car even then. Then I bought a 53 hardtop 8 automatic. Always wished I had an 8 stick!

Studebaker Wheel
09-26-2014, 04:13 PM
You are welcome. Below a Export letter that, I believe, will answer your questions re paint. By the time it was issued in May 1955 the Hialeah Green/Sun Valley Yellow was being phased out. It should be noted that the only true tri-color was the P2678. All others were two color only with top and bottom painted the same color.

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8E45E
09-26-2014, 06:16 PM
Keith;

I wrote an extensive article (12 pages) on the Speedster for the October 1998 issue of Collectible Automobile and also the 4 page article for Turning Wheels (that you mention) in my monthly column "The Almanac" in Sept 1998. I did research on all 2215 Speedsters (examining the over 23,000 President production orders) and did a statistical breakdown of all colors and options.

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I wonder if the "Gold" used on 7167925 was the same gold as used on the dash (and some President sedan dashes).

EDIT! Possibly found the answer, it is NOT 'gold' at all!! http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?52486-When-gold-isn-t-gold

Craig

rockne10
09-26-2014, 08:33 PM
There used to be a web site devoted to the Speedsters that was very well organized, and even slightly interactive regarding factory colors. I haven't seen it in some time and think the owner of the site may have let the address expire.

studefan
09-26-2014, 09:10 PM
Coraltone/Pimlico Gray/Coraltone

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3rdGenStude
09-26-2014, 09:30 PM
When I still had my Speedster project, I had hoped to find a paint code and use that combo. I got as far as writing to BSF (parent company of Rinshed-Mason sp??) to see if they could trace any record of it, but they couldn't.

Paul

SN-60
09-27-2014, 09:08 AM
[QUOTE=Studebaker Wheel;

Fortunately the SDC has never gone the route of the Chevy or Mopar guys and got involved in all that matching numbers nonsense and having the car identical to the way it was assembled. Hope that day never comes!

I disagree with this statement....If someone is striving to bring a classic/special interest vehicle back into 'factory stock, original' condition, I believe the desire said vehicle have its factory installed engine, if at all possible, is legitimate. I known someone from Portugal with a 1955 President Speedster under restoration who considers it quite important to obtain the original, production order matching engine for that Speedster. Another example...Would the final Studebaker Avanti to be assembled, (R-5643) be as rare, correct, desireable, and VALUABLE if sometime early in its life the factory installed R3 engine was removed for some reason and a replacement R3 engine block installed in the car?..frankly, I doub't it! (IMHO)

Studebaker Wheel
09-27-2014, 10:46 AM
38010
Not too many ads showing this color combination. In fact I think this was the only one.

Studebaker Wheel
09-27-2014, 11:41 AM
38012
For those interested here is the entire ad. It appeared as a center fold in Sports Illustrated magazine.

bezhawk
09-27-2014, 11:44 AM
I consider the Pimlico Grey and Congo Ivory to be one of the best color combinations a Speedster ever had.

SN-60
09-27-2014, 12:06 PM
In fifty years of watching people watch Studebakers, without doubt the lemon-lime (Hialeah Green/SunValley Yellow ??) Speedster gets more attention than any other car or color combination.

jack vines

Agreed! Hialeah Green/Sun Valley Yellow...with that 'blinding' yellow leather interior, never fails to stop folks in their tracks!...This color combo really IS what Studebaker originally felt this very special vehicle needed...a 'high impact' color combo, that would bring new car buyers into Studebaker showrooms.

1954MGTF
09-27-2014, 12:55 PM
Richard, what is that color you just posted in the ad White/Maroon???/White. I didn't think I saw that color in the text that people have posted on my thread here. Don't know what the dark color is?

studegary
09-27-2014, 01:14 PM
Coraltone/Pimilico Gray/Coraltone

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That is Coraltone/Pimlico Grey/Coraltone.

studegary
09-27-2014, 01:18 PM
Richard, what is that color you just posted in the ad White/Maroon???/White. I didn't think I saw that color in the text that people have posted on my thread here. Don't know what the dark color is?

Not Richard, but I believe that it is Shasta White and Pimlico Grey. The colors are not "true" in the ad reproduction (at least on my computer).

My 1955 Speedster was Shasta White/Pimlico Grey/Coraltone. Three owners after me changed the original tri-color to all black.

Studebaker Wheel
09-27-2014, 02:08 PM
Yes supposed to be Shasta White/Pimilco Gray but colors are not exactly "true," which is not unusual for magazine ads. Any one familiar with this oversized Speedster advertising post card? Measures 6 X 9."

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studegary
09-27-2014, 03:10 PM
Yes supposed to be Shasta White/Pimilco Gray but colors are not exactly "true," which is not unusual for magazine ads. Any one familiar with this oversized Speedster advertising post card? Measures 6 X 9."

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I think that this oversize postcard was used to introduce/promote what used to be referred to as the Mexican Road Race Special Speedster (Hialeah Green/Sun Valley Yellow, with yellow leather).

It is similar to the large postcard for the 1957 Golden Hawk 400 in that regard.

PS - For the sake of correctness - I believe that the color refered to is Pimlico Grey.

StudeRich
09-27-2014, 04:45 PM
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For those interested here is the entire ad. It appeared as a center fold in Sports Illustrated magazine.

That is one peculiar AD! You never see them say they are America's Largest producer of Sports Cars!

Even though, I know they are including all C & K Models of course. ;)

And Studebaker did not often say: "from the "Studebaker Division" of Studebaker Packard Corp. the Worlds 4th. largest Full line producer of Cars and Trucks."

I am pretty sure there was only one Corp. ...SP and one Automotive Division. :woot:

This must have been done by a pretty aggressive Ad Agency! :ohmy:

Studebaker Wheel
09-28-2014, 12:13 AM
This ad appeared in the center fold of the April/May 1955 issue of the Studebaker owners magazine, The Wheel. Do not believe it appeared elsewhere. As mentioned this color combination was discontinued in May 1955.

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Andy R.
09-28-2014, 01:23 AM
All this Speedster talk has me wanting one soooo bad.
Any advice on how I can convince my wife that I just did a few modifications to the GT?

Maybe I can convince her it was done with a "parts stash" that someone needed to unload.

Studebaker Wheel
09-28-2014, 04:10 AM
One more ad for the Speedster and probably the nicest and most scarce. It appeared only in the center fold of the July 1955 issue of the dealer publication The Studebaker News. Nice large format at approx 15 X 22." Would look outstanding behind glass. Esp for the person who owns a tri-color Speedster (or wishes he did)!

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5brown1
09-28-2014, 08:25 AM
Every time I see those profile pictures I am happy that I don't have those cumbersome looking front bumper guards and fog lights anymore. JMHO

SN-60
09-28-2014, 12:37 PM
Every time I see those profile pictures I am happy that I don't have those cumbersome looking front bumper guards and fog lights anymore. JMHO

Nice looking President Speedster...reminds me a lot of my old green/yellow job!

stall
09-28-2014, 12:49 PM
There used to be a web site devoted to the Speedsters that was very well organized, and even slightly interactive regarding factory colors. I haven't seen it in some time and think the owner of the site may have let the address expire.

I would love to see the data on what color cars are still with us but the Speedster Registry is not available. It would be a really useful "sticky" on our Forum. As to the color Combos that are most pleasing here's my very biased opinion http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3064/2694345070_be906cd0f9.jpg

Murray

SN-60
09-28-2014, 01:07 PM
Here's my favorite Speedster color 'combo'!

Chris Pile
09-28-2014, 04:27 PM
Hard to beat black and chrome.

PackardV8
09-28-2014, 04:53 PM
Here's my favorite Speedster color 'combo'!

Hard to beat black and chrome.

Even fender skirts look less bad in black and chrome.

jack vines

EssexExport
09-29-2014, 07:01 AM
Also caught this Speedster at the International meet this year:

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/q81/p180x540/10432505_559778517464891_1795847628309099170_n.jpg?oh=82d81a152332f891b5ce8646f2 6430e4&oe=54BF7F01

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/p180x540/10346542_559778527464890_1246295237440769724_n.jpg?oh=c5717861f4c5290f63eed63a84 2a5078&oe=548B2AD6

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/p180x540/10492161_559778544131555_662331874423346645_n.jpg?oh=1bda893c8a4c82a6c9d785e6885 53522&oe=5486C813&__gda__=1421915076_a8ee866088d09a2d021bc592d0121d76

Studebaker Wheel
09-29-2014, 09:03 AM
If I recall there were 3 of them at Dover, all the same color.

8E45E
09-29-2014, 09:16 AM
It would be interesting to see the European market ads for them. They must have been advertised rather extensively in Europe (esp. Switzerland) as the export numbers show: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?81703-Speedster-1955-exported&highlight=cuba

Craig

mmagic
09-29-2014, 11:18 AM
Here is your car:
http://www.stude.com/Speed/speedster.htm
38034 (http://www.stude.com/Speed/speedster.htm)

SPDSTER
04-13-2018, 09:58 PM
Keith;

I wrote an extensive article (12 pages) on the Speedster for the October 1998 issue of Collectible Automobile and also the 4 page article for Turning Wheels (that you mention) in my monthly column "The Almanac" in Sept 1998. I did research on all 2215 Speedsters (examining the over 23,000 President production orders) and did a statistical breakdown of all colors and options. I am including below the information relevant to the paint colors that you ask about. The paint color code 2675 is for the Coraltone/Pimilico Gray combination. If you were to use any of the other standard colors shown on the Speedster in your restoration it WOULD NOT count against you in judging. Fortunately the SDC has never gone the route of the Chevy or Mopar guys and got involved in all that matching numbers nonsense and having the car identical to the way it was assembled. Hope that day never comes! I believe you would enjoy the Collectible Automobile article as copies of that issue show up frequently on Ebay. As for the Turning Wheels article (Almanac column), I could copy that and snail mail it or email a copy for a small fee.

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Richard,
I want to thank you very much for this information and all of the hard work it took to compile it.
I have recently come into possession of a three tone speedster and have been trying to find the production numbers of the different color combinations made and this is exactly what I was looking for!

Thanks again!

Todd Connell