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sbca96
09-26-2006, 11:33 PM
At least as far as I can tell. I removed the fuel pump, and did the
tech article that I am sure many of you have seen. I have ONE bolt.
The other one was on the fuel pump when I pulled it off the timing
cover. I had to snake the fuel pump out, but I never remember hearing
the bolt fall to the floor. I have searched the front crossmember top
and pinch welded rolled edges front and rear. Top of the lower A-Arms
and on top of the center link. No dice. Where the heck did the bolt
go too? I think it might have been abducted by aliens for metallurgy
testing to find out why Studebakers last so long. Its possible that
aliens are waiting to attack, but fear our superior Studebakers. Its
very possible that I let the entire planet down with my negligence.
Can anyone give me some advice as to where the bolt might have ended
up? This will put my mind at ease. I could just get another bolt,
but the remaining bolt is lonely - they had been together a long time.

This is on the 63 Avanti, you know, those fiberglass Packard powered
ones built in Canada??

Tom

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: 97 Z28 T-56 6-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires

sbca96
09-27-2006, 02:45 AM
Man .. its GONE. I dont get it, I have never had a bolt disappear
like this. Even the lock washer is gone. I searched the garage and
the frame for about 6 hours tonight. I used a magnet on a telescope
and a screwdriver. I even turned the floorjack over to see if it got
stuck in there somehow. I checked the floor all around, & also used
the magnet. This is totally bizarre. I removed the inner bolt first
and then the outer one, it was the outer that I lost track of. I was
not able to hold both the fuel pump and the bolt, so I let the bolt
stay in the fuel pump housing. I had to tilt the pump WAY down to
get it out of the timing cover and clear the power steering pump. It
should have just fallen on the floor. Is there ANY WAY that the bolt
could have ended up inside the timing cover?? Obviously aliens didnt
take it, but if its in the engine, that would be bad. I dont like to
have bolts unaccounted for. This is quite unfortunate. I need to
get the Avanti out of the garage so I can cut the hole in the back of
the garage so I can get the Firebird into the backyard and remove the
front suspension to fix the Camaro that my wife wrecked last night.

Dang my back hurts.

Tom

Blue 15G
09-27-2006, 07:35 AM
I don't know where your bolt went to but I can assure you of this: As soon as you use another one instead and get the job all done, the missing one will suddenly appear somewhere close by like magic!

stude53
09-27-2006, 08:21 AM
I didn't go back and look, but does it show up in any of your pictures?

If so, it probaby traveled with the pump to a new location.

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Newton Grove, NC

Dwain G.
09-27-2006, 11:19 AM
It's still stuck in the swivel socket you used?

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JDP
09-27-2006, 11:33 AM
If I spent six hours looking for every bolt that fell into parts unknown, I'd get nothing done. N8 and I just pick them up in the driveway later, or here them drop out as we head up the road. I've even lost a tool or two on occasion or found one lost by a previous owner.
Of course, you bolt could have bounced off something, fell into the timing cover and will lock up the engine. [}:)]:)

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65cruiser
09-27-2006, 01:16 PM
JP, you're forever the optimist[8D]


quote:Originally posted by JDP

If I spent six hours looking for every bolt that fell into parts unknown, I'd get nothing done. N8 and I just pick them up in the driveway later, or here them drop out as we head up the road. I've even lost a tool or two on occasion or found one lost by a previous owner.
Of course, you bolt could have bounced off something, fell into the timing cover and will lock up the engine. [}:)]:)

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sbca96
09-27-2006, 02:52 PM
I checked the socket too ... I know it will eventually show up, right
after I replace it. During the 6 hours, I got a lot of cleaning done
on the frame, caked on grease, and found out where my steering slop is
at (center link) - so it wasnt all wasted. I even used a shiny bolt
the same size & length and dropped it a few times in the same location
it fell behind the crossmember twice, ontop of the crossmember 5 times
and in front twice. Each time it was easy to spot. I really dont see
any way that it could have got into the timing cover, but it worries
me some. Yes, I AM obsessing over this. I guess I shouldnt worry too
much, I have that other R1 incase this one explodes.[V][B)][xx(]

Tom

Scott
09-27-2006, 03:00 PM
I think someone (to remain nameless) has put a voodoo curse on you.

If Edgar Cayce was still alive you could call him and he'd tell you where you dropped it. Of course, you might have imagined having it in the first place.

sbca96
09-27-2006, 05:14 PM
It is really odd. I always start with a clean work area, at least at
the area I am working, so that if something falls, I can find it. The
only thing I can think of is that the wife kicked it when she was on
her way out to take care of the rabbits. Though I searched all around
where it might have been kicked. I just dont get it.

I agree with the voodoo curse though, would explain the Camaro getting
wrecked on monday also.[V]

Tom

Scott
09-27-2006, 05:30 PM
Try your magnet on the rabbits. If it sticks you know where the bolt went. ;)

rockne10
09-27-2006, 07:43 PM
Front block mount bracket? Lower control arm? Or inside the steering bellcrank crossmember?

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sbca96
09-28-2006, 02:46 AM
The only thing I can think of, it that it got kicked somewhere, or I
might have swept it up with the crud that fell off the car when I got
the fuel pump off. I put the pump back on tonight, and it fired up
without any trouble. I must have done it right. No fuel leaks, and
no oil leaks that I can see. I took the stainless cover off the back
over the distributor, and noticed that the oil pressure line was has
been leaking. It was in pretty sorry shape. I "borrowed" the one off
the R1 I picked up last month, and did a little reshaping to the box
to clear the hose better. Before you guys freak out, someone already
had cut the heck out of the stainless box. I cleaned up the edges, &
added a split rubber hose to the edge to protect the pressure line. I
decided to clean the carb, so I moved the air cleaner out of the way
and started cleaning, I must have bumped it, because suddenly there
was a HORRIBLE racket, and I ran to shut down the engine. I thought at
the moment that the bolt WAS in the timing cover - OMG! But it was the
air cleaning hitting the fan. Ha. I scared the crap out of myself.

Tom

StudeDave57
09-28-2006, 02:59 AM
Well, look at it this way Tom~ at least you didn't set your air cleaner on the ground/floor/whatever, and then RUN IT OVER- as I once did!!! [:0] [B)] :( [V] :( [xx(] ;)

I hope your air cleaner isn't too banged up~~ Mine is now flat!!!


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sbca96
09-28-2006, 03:12 AM
Nah .. it got a couple scratches on the underside, not even a dent,
the Avanti has a viscous fan, so it was slowing down, which kinda
freaked me out more, since it sounded like the ENGINE was slowing!
The chrome on the air cleaner is toast anyway. I didnt bother to
rechrome it, since when I change over to the Edelbrock, I would be
able to use it (unless I swap the AFB top).

Tom

N8N
09-28-2006, 01:33 PM
I thought I'd posted this earlier... but it didn't show up... anyway just buy a generic 14" round air filter and use the R1 element in it, then use the R1 top over the generic base. Will work fine with an Edelbrock although you may have to trim the base back a little for best airflow. (I am using a '64? 'vette top, same size as R1 on a generic modern base on my car with an R1 element, but it has louvers instead of being smooth.)

good luck,

nate

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