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Ceol
09-25-2006, 11:37 PM
I've got a Studebaker engine which you kind folks helped me to identify a few months back as a 1950 170ci Champion. Well, I finally got a chance to tear it apart to inspect it, and I wonder if you could help me find some information on it.

The engine looks great inside, at leat to my amateur eye. I've had some experience rebuilding small engines on modern portable generators, and the Stude looks to have a very similar design to those gennys, just with six cylinders instead of one or two. So, I'm reasonably confident that I can make the Stude work well.

Actually, the only problem I saw with it was a whole lot of carbon in the head and on the plugs, suggesting that it burns oil. I haven't taken the pistons out yet, but I'm suspecting that I'll find the rings worn. The oil pump, valve seats, timing gears, and valve springs all looked cherry.

Anyway, rambling aside, does anyone know where I can find some specs like various bolt torque settings, and exact cylinder diameter? Or better yet, are there any printed manuals for rebuilding these engines? This is all fairly new territory for me, but I'm really excited about the possibility of getting this engine into perfect shape. :)

StudeDave57
09-26-2006, 01:11 AM
Studebaker shop repair manuals (and parts to rebuild said motor) are availible all over. A good place to start would be here:

http://www.studebakervendors.com/

Good luck with the project!!!

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

Ceol
09-26-2006, 08:52 PM
Thanks, Dave - I found and ordered a shop manual this morning. [8D]

rockne10
09-26-2006, 09:01 PM
Ceol,
I hope you've also joined the Studebaker Drivers Club. The resources you'll find are infinite.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
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Ceol
09-26-2006, 10:10 PM
I haven't joined the Club, mainly because my engine is going into a 1950s Jeep rather than a Studebaker vehicle.

JDP
09-26-2006, 10:30 PM
Just a idea. The hot swap is a Studebaker V8 into a Jeep, it still bolts to your transmission, and decent uses ones cost less than a rebuild on a six.

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Ceol
09-26-2006, 11:38 PM
Well, JDP, I got the straight six with the Jeep. I want to learn more about engine mechanics, so I like the idea of a flathead rather than a V8; the flathead is simpler. I would also be concerned that the increased power of the V8 would require me to upgrade other parts of my drivetrain to handle the stress, while the six will work just fine with the relatively weak stock components of a CJ2A. And lastly, the six looks good enough inside that I don't think much work will be required.

Down the road, though, my Stude-Jeep may get lonely and need a companion with a V8. :)

John Kirchhoff
09-26-2006, 11:41 PM
The cylinder bore diameter should be stamped on th etop of the cylinder next to the bore. The manual says bore sizes will vary from 3.0000 inches which is stamped ")" to 3.0025 which is stamped "25". It looks like the acceptable out of round or taper in excess of .002". However, even if the bore is beyond that, I bet new rings would provide satisfactory service. It's not like you need it to run another 100,000 miles. It may use some oil or have some extra blow by, but so what?

JDP
09-26-2006, 11:47 PM
Last time I did one, there was a set of oil restrictors that came with the the rings. I think they went in over the valve lifters. Oil consumption was a problem with the sixes.

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Arnold Md.
65 Sports Sedan(sold)
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2/4 speed
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
62 GT(parts car)
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
57 Silver Hawk
52 Starliner(sold)
51 Commander
50 Champion (sold)

Guido
09-27-2006, 07:24 AM
quote: I would also be concerned that the increased power of the V8 would require me to upgrade other parts of my drivetrain to handle the stress, while the six will work just fine with the relatively weak stock components of a CJ2A.
Every CJ2A that I have ever known of came from the factory with the 134 CID 4 cylinder motor. Willy's did not get the Super Hurricane 226 until after the merger with Kaiser.

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charlie
09-27-2006, 03:54 PM
Hi There,

I just purchased a 3 maunual set for my 1950 commander (Land Cruiser) one is the chasis manual
two is the shop manual
three is the body manual

All 3 for $60 at Studebaker International and they have lots of details.

charlie