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Commander Eddie
06-12-2014, 11:38 AM
I will be leaving Dundee Oregon this Saturday morning for Santa Maria. If anyone is along my route let me know. I'd love to stop and say hello.
I will be heading South on I-5 through Oregon and Northern California and will cut off at I-505 S. I will merge onto I-80 W toward San Francisco. From there I will be taking I-680 S toward San Jose and then connect up with US-101 to Santa Maria.
I'll be driving my 1961 Champ truck painted Desert Tan. I have attached a photo. The map says it is about a 13 hours 41 minute trip but I will be taking my time and stopping to rest and refresh along the way.
Hope to see some Studebaker people along the way. It should be fun.

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SweetSixtyn
06-12-2014, 12:02 PM
Have a great trip! I love road trips. I'll be meeting another forum member from Oregon outside Sacramento on Friday to pass on a windshield and stainless trim. Then it's off to Pacifica State Beach Saturday morning. Not to jinx you but if you have any issues in the San Francisco - Sacramento area feel free to contact me for emergency roadside support. PM me for a phone number.

Commander Eddie
06-12-2014, 02:38 PM
Have a great trip! I love road trips. I'll be meeting another forum member from Oregon outside Sacramento on Friday to pass on a windshield and stainless trim. Then it's off to Pacifica State Beach Saturday morning. Not to jinx you but if you have any issues in the San Francisco - Sacramento area feel free to contact me for emergency roadside support. PM me for a phone number.

I sent you an PM notification. It sounds like your Friday meet might be with Chip. He is restoring a '53 in Canby.
Are you familiar with the Dutch Treat Team? They are in Sacramento and are building a Lark salt car. My brother Dan is expected to drive it when finished.

oregonroses
06-12-2014, 06:43 PM
Actually, he (sweetsixtyn) is meeting up with my buddy, his dad, and myself for the windshield swap for my Lark, then we are headed to Lakeport to pickup a Rockne to bring home to Oregon. Commander Eddie, we'll keep an eye out for ya!

studeclunker
06-12-2014, 10:07 PM
There's several Studee people here in the Redding area.:woot: Some of them even have cars that are road-worthy (LOL)!:D Unfortuneately, Bess is still not done (gotta get Dave paid for the Carb. and then it's brakes to do), the new fella is in the shop and I don't know if Ed is ever going to be back on the road. So, ya won't see my Studees in Redding, sorry.:o

Watch out for the CHP in this area. They're preditory as heck around here!:mad: The spider hangs out at the base of the hill just north of Yreka, a real jerk! But then, Spidey usually only goes after commercial rigs.

Hope you have a great trip and everything goes perfectly.:)

JoeHall
06-12-2014, 11:25 PM
That is one nice lookin Stude truck. Drive safe and take lots of pix. Hope you have as much fun on your trip as we are ours. Every mile in a Stude is an adventure :)

Commander Eddie
06-13-2014, 08:33 AM
That is one nice lookin Stude truck. Drive safe and take lots of pix. Hope you have as much fun on your trip as we are ours. Every mile in a Stude is an adventure :)

Thanks, Joe. How has your stay in Reseda been so far?

Commander Eddie
06-13-2014, 08:36 AM
There's several Studee people here in the Redding area.:woot: Some of them even have cars that are road-worthy (LOL)!:D Unfortuneately, Bess is still not done (gotta get Dave paid for the Carb. and then it's brakes to do), the new fella is in the shop and I don't know if Ed is ever going to be back on the road. So, ya won't see my Studees in Redding, sorry.:o

Watch out for the CHP in this area. They're preditory as heck around here!:mad: The spider hangs out at the base of the hill just north of Yreka, a real jerk! But then, Spidey usually only goes after commercial rigs.

Hope you have a great trip and everything goes perfectly.:)

Ron, Thanks for the warning. My wife says I drive like a little old man anyways. I'm still trying to decide what that means. Sorry to hear your vehicles aren't road worthy. It'll sure be fun when they are.

candbstudebakers
06-13-2014, 10:21 AM
ED, as you know I am right on your way south if you stay on I-80 toward San Francisco and change to I-880 toward San Jose at the bridge interchange my shop is 2 stop lights off I- 880 and the I-92 interchange what is also Jackson St. east on Jackson St. through 2 stop lights and into the 2nd commercial driveway on right hand side just past Diadon St. going right off I-880 would take you toward the San Mateo bridge to I-101 north or south , go south about 4 miles and that is Redwood City, Redwood City is where Studebaker's West is. Getting off I-80 at the I-680 interchange is a shorter route to San Jose but not much Studebaker stuff that way, you can go that way and get off I-680 at I-580 west and then head toward Castro Valley, Hayward, San Francisco, Redwood City , then south to San Jose. my shop address is 86 West Jackson St. Hayward, Ca. 94540, my home address is 5294 Canyon Hill Ct. Castro Valley, Ca. 94546 with lots of Studebaker things at both places....Bob 510-266-2522

RadioRoy
06-13-2014, 10:30 AM
If you stay on 101, I am right off 101 in Redwood City, only about a mile from Studebakers West.

You are free to visit on Sunday to see the radio shop and car collection, but I won't be here on Saturday. You can also stop by on your way back home.

My phone number is in my profile.

Have a good trip.

Commander Eddie
06-13-2014, 10:35 AM
candbstudebakers - Bob. Thanks for the directions and invitation. I will see if my schedule will give me some time to stop by. I'll call first. I'd love to see your shop or home collection.

Commander Eddie
06-13-2014, 10:38 AM
RadioRoy,
Thank you for the invitation. I am not sure how much progress I will make on Saturday but if I am still in the area on Sunday I'll try to stop by. I would love to meet you and see your collection. I know where Studebakers West is located. Where can I find your address?

candbstudebakers
06-15-2014, 12:29 AM
Ed, you go right past my place to get to Redwood City.

Commander Eddie
06-16-2014, 08:59 PM
Well, it's now Monday evening and this is my first post since leaving Oregon. I turned off I-5 S at I-505 toward San Fracisco and then picked up I-680 S. At that point the road became terrible. Both me and my truck took an awful beating. I slowed way down and fell behind schedule. My route took me past San Francisco to San Jose where I found no hotel rooms because of some huge soccer match. There were no rooms in Morgan, but finally found one in Gilroy.
By this time it was about 9:00 PM. I had been on the road 14 hours. Then, I could not find my wallet! Tired, and now in distress, I used my debit card to pay for my room and spent the next 2 hours online canceling my credit cards.
The next morning I searched the truck, my luggage, and even the ground but came up with nothing. So, I had breakfast at the Denneys across the street and then got on the road. I experienced rough roads again until I got to Paso Robles.
I finally made it to Santa Maria around 11:00 AM.
So, after all that, I got no photos and was in too much distress to stop along the way to say hello and visit with any of you. I am trying to enjoy my time with my dad and brother Dan and his family. I sure hope the rest of this trip goes more smoothly. I'll be looking for another route home.

SilverHawkDan
06-19-2014, 12:43 AM
Ok I had to post as I am sure my brother is not the first to have this issue. Yesterday Ed brought the Champ up the hill to where I am currently living so that I could look at a few issues with the truck. First was the brakes. The truck just would not stop. If you had to make a [panic stop, forget it. He has spent a bunch of money trying to get the brakes to work as they should. So I pulled the front wheels and drums and sure enough the brake shoes were installed backwards. This after I posted here to get advice about the shoe set up and Ed even left the factory manual in the truck and told the guy it was in there. Ed had told the mechanic that due to the design of the brake system with dual cams the brake shoes were to be installed opposite of just about every other car or truck made. You would think that after looking at the manual made by the manufacturer he would have followed the factory advice. So lesson learned, if they don't seem to listen and accept your advice and desires find another shop. I switched the shoes and the truck now stops like it should. I know that as the shoes wear in to the drums in the correct position they will only get better.

Next I cleaned his battery cables. Corrosion had gotten between the post and the terminal end. I then pulled the plugs looking to the source of excessive oil consumption. Plugs looked great. But where was the 1 quart of oil per 300 miles going. Concluded that by checking the oil at the gas station after driving down the highway the oil was still trapped in the upper part of the engine giving him a false reading. I came to that conclusion based on past experience and then confirmed my suspicions by noting that the oil was a little more than a quart over full after sitting for about and hour. So he will let it sit before checking the oil on the way home. Next was a little grease on the speedo cable and then I got out the grease gun and lubricated the clutch cross shaft bushings and the brake pedal pivot. Looking the the linkage as he operated the clutch I have concluded that the truck must have a heavy duty pressure plate that gives him the heavy pedal feel.

So that work completed a short test drive and then a little longer one by Ed on the hills coming up to our place showed that the brakes are working good and everything else is good to go for the return trip home to Oregon. I wasn't able to get the hill holder working but I think a rebuild of the control box will get it there. Ed can have that taken care of back home as soon as he finds a new shop to have do the work. Love having Ed here and know he is having a good visit with dad. It was nice to help him out by fixing his truck. He also got a first hand look at all of the projects going on with the Hawk I am working on. I think I might have been a little shocked to see it spread out over about fifty feet of the yard or more. Parts are every where and hopefully by years end they will all be back in one place again and driving down the road putting smiles on peoples faces. More from Ed if he chooses to share.
Dan

JoeHall
06-19-2014, 09:31 AM
Ed,
I am willing to bet you learned more about your Stude during that trip, than you would have in the next 10 years of waxing it and puttering around locally. You probably now know of any repairs needed, characteristics inherent with 1950s-60s technology, truck v. car, issues with the truck you can/cannot live with, "driveability" improvements you now wanna make, etc.

Its great to make them show worthy, and functional for around town cruising, but driving down the road 100s of miles brings a familiarity that cannot be obtained any other way. Things like double/triple throttle return springs, HD clutches, drum brakes, non-power steering, rigid suspension, noisy mufflers etc., may even be preferable for local cruising, but a few 100 miles down the road and the impracticality becomes obvious. Hopefully you will not be discouraged, but will review and adjust accordingly, and tell us all about your trip experiences, good & bad.

My hat is off to you Ed, for using your Stude as it was intended. I do not believe I could do many miles in a Stude truck, but admire both you and (now deceased) Lester Schmidt, who literally put 1,000,000 miles on his mid-50s TranStar.

Looking forward to hearing from you :)

Joe

candbstudebakers
06-19-2014, 09:38 AM
Ed, I guess the guy that worked on your brakes was the one that said the drums I sent you were no good ha? like your brother say find a new guy to work on your cars and trucks or at the least the Studebakers.

JoeHall
06-19-2014, 10:24 AM
Ed,
I suppose finding someone competent to work on your Stude adds a whole nother challenge to driving it. Sounds like there are folks willing to take your money, whether or not they have a clue as to how to work on your Stude. Hopefully, as Bob said, you find someone more competent. Anyone who cannot install brake shoes properly, even after provided a Shop Manual, has no business working on a Stude.

RadioRoy
06-19-2014, 03:10 PM
So... after all that discussion, the mechanic STILL put the brake shoes on wrong? And poor Eddie drove it all that way with marginal brakes... towing a trailer? Yikes! No wonder the trip was so little fun.

Hopefully the visit will be restful and the trip back home will be much more fun.

You are still welcome to stop by on your way back, Ed.

Commander Eddie
06-19-2014, 03:48 PM
Thanks to all of you for your kind words of advice and encouragement. And special thanks to my brother Dan for his expert assistance. I feel much more confident about the trip home now. Now if I can find a replacement for the hubcap that came off on Hwy-101 in Nipomo I'll be really happy.
If I feel up to stopping to visit those of you who have invited me to stop by and visit on the way home I will certainly do so.
More on my journey to come.

RadioRoy
06-20-2014, 02:55 PM
When you get home, be sure to get a new mechanic. Or, keep visiting your brother. :)

I wish my brother was still alive. After a lifetime of estrangement, we had just gotten to know each other and we both loved Studebakers. :(

61LaRk4dr
06-20-2014, 03:24 PM
Thanks to all of you for your kind words of advice and encouragement. And special thanks to my brother Dan for his expert assistance. I feel much more confident about the trip home now. Now if I can find a replacement for the hubcap that came off on Hwy-101 in Nipomo I'll be really happy.
If I feel up to stopping to visit those of you who have invited me to stop by and visit on the way home I will certainly do so.
More on my journey to come.

Hello Ed,

This proves I need to be looking on the forum more often! Studeclunker is spot on about the CHP officer up near the north end of Yreka. Had I known/been in the forum lately, you would have been welcome to drop by in beautiful Yreka as that is where I am at. In fact, you went over the road that leads to my house (the only one that crosses under I-5 without a on-ramp just past the central Yreka exit). Unfortunately, none of my Studebakers are fully restored and only the 61' Lark is running most of the time. I am currently restoring the 51' Land Cruiser, hoping to rebuild the starter this weekend. There are several Studebakers around the are, just no Studebaker participants as most are in fields or collecting dust in someone's garage. If you happen to be coming up my way, let me know, maybe I still can send you my address.

Commander Eddie
06-20-2014, 04:43 PM
Thank you for another invitation. If I made to everyone's place on the way home it would take me several extra days. Studebaker folks are definitely the best. I am going to pace myself coming home and will see if I am up to making any stops. This has been an emotional rollercoaster that I was not expecting nor prepared for.
My wife tells me the dog has waited for me at the door every night since I left. She (the dog) finally gives up about 8:30 PM and goes to her bed.
I will try to post some more before and after I leave for home. Thanks everyone.

JoeHall
06-21-2014, 08:26 AM
Ed, you are making memories. Just take it one day at a time, and enjoy the trip. When you get home, you'll be left with a lifetime of memories and, hopefully lots of pix to share with friends. The dog will be just fine till you get home, as will other loved ones, but you could hurt yourself, hastily trying to get back home to them.

Of course its always good to get back home, but try to avoid "barn fever". Its a very real phenomenon that often happens with horses which will run over each other, people, damage equipment, and just about run themselves to death trying to get back to the barn. As a young teenager, I was nearly killed by a horse with barn fever.

Humans are susceptible too, military folks often experience it when coming off deployment, and it is likely a contributing factor for most auto accidents' happening 25 miles or less from home. Pace yourself, stay hydrated and rested, and enjoy the return trip, while easing home.

Just think of the memories you're gonna have :)

Commander Eddie
06-21-2014, 11:09 PM
Joe,
Excellent advice, which I will heed.
Speaking of memories, I went to the Pismo Beach car show today with Dan, his wife Cathy, and a couple that Dan and I know from Bonneville. The weather was perfect and we had a great time. Dan was wearing a denim shirt that had a patch on the back that reads "Dutch Treat Racing Team - Powered by Studebaker". Several strangers stopped to talk to him when they saw that. I was very happy to hear so many positive things from people about our cars. He ran into one fellow at lunch that knows many of the same people involved at Bonneville and El Mirage.
It was a fun day to remember.

Commander Eddie
06-24-2014, 10:39 PM
It is Tuesday and I have been home now for over 24 hours. The trip home was interesting. The Champ gave no complaints and ran... well, like a champ.
I left Santa Maria at 1:15 Sunday afternoon and by dusk I was in Sacramento. With no license (wallet was lost, remember), I had a tough time getting a hotel room for the night. Several clerks told me that without it they would take cash only plus a sizable refundable deposit. That was fine but even the less expensive hotels quoted me crazy prices so I hit the road and spent the night driving and catching cat naps at rest stops. It actually worked out well because by sunrise when the temperatures began to rise in north central California I was already in Redding. I got to the mountains before it got too hot. I had to make frequent stops to rest. I did not want to crash the truck and maybe kill myself and hurt anyone else so I hit every other rest stop in Oregon.
Dan had suggested I quit putting oil in the truck so often since I was probably putting in too much which gave the appearance that I was losing oil by burning off the cylinder walls. Sure enough, I added oil only once on the way home. It still seemed too much though. It was, after all, only about 900 miles. I took the truck in for an oil change today to start off fresh and I will see what happens. The brakes worked flawlessly.
On a side note. I spent almost 2 hours in the DMV today trying to get a replacement license. I have a CDL and drive school buses now and then for the school where I work. The clerk at the DMV looked over my application and everything seemed in order until he asked to see my medical certificate. I told him it was in my wallet with my license. There was nothing he could do except recommend I go back to the Occupational Health office where I got my ODOT physical and ask them for a replacement copy of the certificate. So, I went home and decided to do some laundry. As I put my dirty clothes basket down next to the washing machine I glanced into a small trash can that sits nearby and there was my lost wallet! So, I am feeling much better now. It turns out the only thing lost on the trip was the hubcap. Kurtruk sent me a message saying he thinks he spotted it from his truck today and will confirm it's location and let my brother Dan know. Dan can have the CHP pick it up and return it to me. If anyone needs convincing that Studebaker people are the best folks out there let this be a lesson for them.
Thank you Kurtruk and SilverHawkDan! You guys are the best.
So, that brings my adventure to an end. Thanks to all who added to this thread. To those who invited me to stop and say hello I apologize for not doing so. It seemed as though time and circumstances conspired to keep that from happening. I do appreciate all the invitations though.
Next trip I take, I'll drive the Commander (see my avatar).

JoeHall
06-25-2014, 06:04 PM
Eddie,
Glad you made it home safe & sound with the CHAMP. Did you keep track of MPG? What transmission, rear gears, and size tires are you running?

How about details on the cooling system, i.e. 2 or 3 row radiator? What temps did the motor average?

Also, as for oil consumption, not sure what weight you are using, but can just about guarantee 20W50 will get better mileage than 10W40 or 10W30. I agree with letting the motor sit an hour at least before checking the oil, and overnight is even better. A partial flow filter will leak down into the crankcase overnight, at least on a 56J it does. Technically, that would provide a false (high) reading, and may result in driving around a pint or so below full. But its never been a problem for me, and I'd rather run a pint low than a pint overfull.

Commander Eddie
06-25-2014, 07:06 PM
Joe,
I did track my mileage and I averaged just under 16 MPG. I am running on 225/75R16 tires. The truck is equipped with a 3-speed with overdrive transmission with a heavy duty clutch. I do not know what rear end gears it has but will try to get the information the next time I'm under there. I am not sure how many rows the radiator has but the temp gauge stayed right around the middle or slightly above the whole trip. I have no idea what temperature thermostat is in it but my guess is probably a 180.
I did start the trip with 20W50 oil and started the trip with 2 extra quarts. After that I found I could not always get that weight oil so it got some lighter oil along the way. Since I used less on the trip home I think Dan was right. I was over filling the crankcase and the crankshaft lobes were splashing oil on the cylinder walls which was then burned off during combustion. I never saw any smoke and there was never any sign of a leak under the truck.
Overall I was very pleased with the truck on this trip, other than the buckboard ride which wasn't too bad as long as the road was smooth, which wasn't always the case. The engine never complained and ran strong the whole way. There was always more power when I needed to pass. I'm sure there were a few slowpokes who were surprised when an old Studebaker truck went by them. No overheating, no unusual noises and no sign the truck was ever under any stress. My last new car never ran any better.
I'm afraid my travel thread was not as complete as yours. I had no way to attach photos on the road and since I was by myself I did not take the time to even check my tablet along the way. If I do another road trip I will try to plan for those things. I really enjoyed your thread.
Thanks for following mine. Studebaker road trips are a blast, even when things go wrong.

RadioRoy
06-26-2014, 05:17 PM
If you bring your 50 Commander next time, it can meet my 50 Commander and they can talk about us behind our backs. :)

Commander Eddie
06-26-2014, 08:52 PM
If you bring your 50 Commander next time, it can meet my 50 Commander and they can talk about us behind our backs. :)

Heaven only knows what they will say about us. "He's always crawling under my hood. It's a disgrace". :rolleyes:

SilverHawkDan
06-27-2014, 12:43 AM
Good News sort of. Today using the directions given by Kirk I was able to locate the missing escapee hubcap. It looks like it had a close encounter with the bottom edge of the guardrail and maybe more.
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So I see a job for young Matthew. It is salvageable with some work. So a big thanks to Kirk for the sharp eyes.
Dan

Commander Eddie
06-27-2014, 10:26 AM
Dan,
Great news, indeed.
Is Matthew someone who does metal work? Is he the young man who joined us at Pismo?
And, yes, a BIG thank you to Kirk without whose sharp eyes it would have not been recovered.
So, do you think it is salvageable?

studeclunker
06-27-2014, 02:47 PM
Well, if Matt is still doing Stainless resto. then shipping the 'cap to Georgia is a great idea!:D After all, at a hundred-fifty (or more) each, that justifies a good deal of labour!;)

Glad to hear you got home safely Ed. Scares the living Hell out of me that you drove so far with defective brakes though! Not that I can say too very much about that though, as my vehicles aren't exactly poster children for perfect operation.:o

Gosh, there's a friendly fellow Studee lover up in Why-reek-ah! Cool beans!:cool: I just might come up there to anno... ahem, visit sometime.;) A bunch of us in our little Carriage club want to go up there and visit a fellow who has a considerable collection of Carriages and wagons. He even has a WWI Army ambulance complete with original harness from Studebaker. He shows his vehicle collection with Mammoth Mules. Hence, when we go up to visit his collection, I might leave a bit early and bother you on the way. :D Provided of course, you don't mind. ;)

Commander Eddie
06-27-2014, 07:32 PM
Ron,
I definitely would not mind if you stopped by. I am still working but a phone call in advance is all I need. We can stroll across the road from my place to the tasting room and try some local wine.
The brakes were not so bad I could not drive the truck. They just were no good for a panic stop so I left myself plenty of room and kept my speed down. The difference on the way back, however, was great. Dan did a bang up job. They now work almost as good as the brakes on my '50 Commander.
Take pictures of that army ambulance. If you stop by I'd love to see them. If you can't come by you can still post them.
Hope to meet you some time.