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JDP
10-03-2007, 02:01 PM
Sal drove our new Packard home today, here's the pics.


http://www.stude.com/Packard/

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

bonehead007
10-03-2007, 02:04 PM
Nice...........Good luck with it

bonehead007
10-03-2007, 02:04 PM
Nice...........Good luck with it

JDP
10-03-2007, 02:21 PM
The big down side of the car is the attention it gets. It took Sal a extra half hour to make a one hour drive after the crowd with questions formed around the car when he stopped. It's a perfect car for someone that just loves detail work. They'd need to add a missing outside mirror, replace one inside door handle and power window switch, fix the spot light, charge the AC and so on. Certainly not a perfect car, but it wasn't priced like one either.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
10-03-2007, 02:21 PM
The big down side of the car is the attention it gets. It took Sal a extra half hour to make a one hour drive after the crowd with questions formed around the car when he stopped. It's a perfect car for someone that just loves detail work. They'd need to add a missing outside mirror, replace one inside door handle and power window switch, fix the spot light, charge the AC and so on. Certainly not a perfect car, but it wasn't priced like one either.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

PackardV8
10-03-2007, 02:38 PM
Hi, JDP,

Now, that '58 Packard hardtop is one rare and [u]unique</u> car. Some buyer will relish the attention.

While the '58 Packard Hawk has grown on me enough that I would pay fair market price for a good stick-shift car, it may take another fifty years for me to come to appreciate the hardtop front and rear decoration.

thnx, jv.

PackardV8

PackardV8
10-03-2007, 02:38 PM
Hi, JDP,

Now, that '58 Packard hardtop is one rare and [u]unique</u> car. Some buyer will relish the attention.

While the '58 Packard Hawk has grown on me enough that I would pay fair market price for a good stick-shift car, it may take another fifty years for me to come to appreciate the hardtop front and rear decoration.

thnx, jv.

PackardV8

Roscomacaw
10-03-2007, 02:54 PM
I shouldn't have to say that I'M fascinated with it. Only thing is... THAT COLOR!!! All it's missing is the dark blue lettering on the doors "U.S.Navy" [|)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-03-2007, 02:54 PM
I shouldn't have to say that I'M fascinated with it. Only thing is... THAT COLOR!!! All it's missing is the dark blue lettering on the doors "U.S.Navy" [|)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

bonehead007
10-03-2007, 03:13 PM
Is that the original color or has it been repainted the same/a different color ?

bonehead007
10-03-2007, 03:13 PM
Is that the original color or has it been repainted the same/a different color ?

BobPalma
10-03-2007, 03:22 PM
:D It always amazes me, the number of hobbyists who have never studied the color chart at Earl Scheib! [:0];)[8D] BP

BobPalma
10-03-2007, 03:22 PM
:D It always amazes me, the number of hobbyists who have never studied the color chart at Earl Scheib! [:0];)[8D] BP

MikeW
10-03-2007, 04:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by PackardV8

Hi, JDP,

Now, that '58 Packard hardtop is one rare and [u]unique</u> car. Some buyer will relish the attention.

While the '58 Packard Hawk has grown on me enough that I would pay fair market price for a good stick-shift car, it may take another fifty years for me to come to appreciate the hardtop front and rear decoration.

thnx, jv.

PackardV8

Being that only 26 Packard Hawks were built with a stick shift it may be difficult to find one. May take another fifty years. &lt;G&gt;
Mike
www.packardhawk.com

MikeW
10-03-2007, 04:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by PackardV8

Hi, JDP,

Now, that '58 Packard hardtop is one rare and [u]unique</u> car. Some buyer will relish the attention.

While the '58 Packard Hawk has grown on me enough that I would pay fair market price for a good stick-shift car, it may take another fifty years for me to come to appreciate the hardtop front and rear decoration.

thnx, jv.

PackardV8

Being that only 26 Packard Hawks were built with a stick shift it may be difficult to find one. May take another fifty years. &lt;G&gt;
Mike
www.packardhawk.com

JDP
10-03-2007, 05:05 PM
I "think" that is a factory color and it's not a Earl Scheib paint job, pretty nice paint actually, I think it makes the car look a little more muted then this color:

http://stude.com/1958Packard.jpg

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
10-03-2007, 05:05 PM
I "think" that is a factory color and it's not a Earl Scheib paint job, pretty nice paint actually, I think it makes the car look a little more muted then this color:

http://stude.com/1958Packard.jpg

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

wally
10-03-2007, 05:16 PM
This 58 is a very fine example. What a find! From the photos, it looks as though another effect of age and sun exposure is the fading of the original bright gold anodized aluminum side inserts. But, quite possibly the nicest hardtop I've seen. No wonder it draws a lot of attention.

wally
10-03-2007, 05:16 PM
This 58 is a very fine example. What a find! From the photos, it looks as though another effect of age and sun exposure is the fading of the original bright gold anodized aluminum side inserts. But, quite possibly the nicest hardtop I've seen. No wonder it draws a lot of attention.

showbizkid
10-03-2007, 05:41 PM
I'd drive one of these in a heartbeat (but I have a fetish for the '58 hardtops). The double-fin treatment doesn't thrill me, but I actually like the front end, and the dash is much better than the standard Stude dash for '58.

JDP, how do you fix the drooping dash pad?


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com
www.studebakersandiego.com

showbizkid
10-03-2007, 05:41 PM
I'd drive one of these in a heartbeat (but I have a fetish for the '58 hardtops). The double-fin treatment doesn't thrill me, but I actually like the front end, and the dash is much better than the standard Stude dash for '58.

JDP, how do you fix the drooping dash pad?


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com
www.studebakersandiego.com

JDP
10-03-2007, 06:13 PM
I though about trying a heat gun on the dash, but will leave that to the new owner. I'm going to try and list it on ebay pretty much as we got it and see what happens.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
10-03-2007, 06:13 PM
I though about trying a heat gun on the dash, but will leave that to the new owner. I'm going to try and list it on ebay pretty much as we got it and see what happens.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

StudeDave57
10-03-2007, 09:18 PM
Just think~
if I'd acted a few days earlier on this (like the day when I first saw the ad) it might have a very different owner!!! It's all good~ I found yet another one~ but it's not nearly as nice as this one is. :( [V]

You got a good lookin' car there JDP- I'll be watching for the auction!!! ;) (and the numbers/info for the Registry~ you promised)

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca
http://www.studebakersandiego.com

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (she's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
10-03-2007, 09:18 PM
Just think~
if I'd acted a few days earlier on this (like the day when I first saw the ad) it might have a very different owner!!! It's all good~ I found yet another one~ but it's not nearly as nice as this one is. :( [V]

You got a good lookin' car there JDP- I'll be watching for the auction!!! ;) (and the numbers/info for the Registry~ you promised)

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca
http://www.studebakersandiego.com

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (she's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

JDP
10-03-2007, 09:28 PM
We had been talking about that car on here a few weeks before I got it. Sal first saw it at a estate sale, made a offer there and they called and accepted it after I'd almost forgotten about it. Anyone else could have beat me to it just by meeting the asking price. Heck, I figured no one wanted the gray barge.:) BTW, it's on ebay now, more to test the waters early, if it makes reserve, fine, if not we'll fix it up some more and try again. It's here:



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300157876664&rd=1

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
10-03-2007, 09:28 PM
We had been talking about that car on here a few weeks before I got it. Sal first saw it at a estate sale, made a offer there and they called and accepted it after I'd almost forgotten about it. Anyone else could have beat me to it just by meeting the asking price. Heck, I figured no one wanted the gray barge.:) BTW, it's on ebay now, more to test the waters early, if it makes reserve, fine, if not we'll fix it up some more and try again. It's here:



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300157876664&rd=1

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

StudeDave57
10-03-2007, 09:31 PM
I didn't realize this was that car. I only remember seeing the ad on Craigslist about a week ago.

Looks like it's doing okay- over $4600 in just a few hours!!!



StudeDave [8D]

edited for spelling :( [V]

StudeDave57
10-03-2007, 09:31 PM
I didn't realize this was that car. I only remember seeing the ad on Craigslist about a week ago.

Looks like it's doing okay- over $4600 in just a few hours!!!



StudeDave [8D]

edited for spelling :( [V]

StudeDave57
10-03-2007, 09:50 PM
I remember that thread now. But I was thinking about the ad I saw on Craigslist a week or two ago. The one were the price was much less then the numbers in the first post... ;)


StudeDave [8D]

StudeDave57
10-03-2007, 09:50 PM
I remember that thread now. But I was thinking about the ad I saw on Craigslist a week or two ago. The one were the price was much less then the numbers in the first post... ;)


StudeDave [8D]

58PackardWagon
10-03-2007, 10:09 PM
There is only one way to fix that dash....pull it and send it to Just Dashes in Van Nuys CA. If you attempt to push it up from the inside all they do is crack. Also they are impossible to pull up. I once attempted to inject expanding spray foam and had massive problems. One it sometimes gets to hot and sometimes sets to fast to get it to hold in the right areas. Either don't mess with it or spend the $800 with Just Dashes. Best of luck.

58 Packard Wagon (Parade Red)
58 Packard Wagon (Park Green)
58 Packard Hardtop (parts car)
58 Packard Sedan (Shadowtone Red)
57 Packard Wagon (parts car)
57 Packard Sedan (parts car)
62 Daytona (White)
63 Lark Custom 2 Door Sedan R2 (Super Red)

58PackardWagon
10-03-2007, 10:09 PM
There is only one way to fix that dash....pull it and send it to Just Dashes in Van Nuys CA. If you attempt to push it up from the inside all they do is crack. Also they are impossible to pull up. I once attempted to inject expanding spray foam and had massive problems. One it sometimes gets to hot and sometimes sets to fast to get it to hold in the right areas. Either don't mess with it or spend the $800 with Just Dashes. Best of luck.

58 Packard Wagon (Parade Red)
58 Packard Wagon (Park Green)
58 Packard Hardtop (parts car)
58 Packard Sedan (Shadowtone Red)
57 Packard Wagon (parts car)
57 Packard Sedan (parts car)
62 Daytona (White)
63 Lark Custom 2 Door Sedan R2 (Super Red)

58PackardWagon
10-03-2007, 10:15 PM
Not surprised that it does not have the original interior. They did not hold up in the sun. The previous owner did a good job matching the pattern on the lighter color. What is very, very unusual about the car is the electric windows and a/c. Have you seen the build sheet to see if it came from the factory this way? I have only seen one other hardtop with these options and it was parade red.

58 Packard Wagon (Parade Red)
58 Packard Wagon (Park Green)
58 Packard Hardtop (parts car)
58 Packard Sedan (Shadowtone Red)
57 Packard Wagon (parts car)
57 Packard Sedan (parts car)
62 Daytona (White)
63 Lark Custom 2 Door Sedan R2 (Super Red)

58PackardWagon
10-03-2007, 10:15 PM
Not surprised that it does not have the original interior. They did not hold up in the sun. The previous owner did a good job matching the pattern on the lighter color. What is very, very unusual about the car is the electric windows and a/c. Have you seen the build sheet to see if it came from the factory this way? I have only seen one other hardtop with these options and it was parade red.

58 Packard Wagon (Parade Red)
58 Packard Wagon (Park Green)
58 Packard Hardtop (parts car)
58 Packard Sedan (Shadowtone Red)
57 Packard Wagon (parts car)
57 Packard Sedan (parts car)
62 Daytona (White)
63 Lark Custom 2 Door Sedan R2 (Super Red)

JDP
10-03-2007, 10:20 PM
Yep Dave, the thread was six weeks ago, and you even were in on it. Heck you could have been driving it for month by now had you have jumped.

http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/sdc_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12494


Some of the group though that it was overpriced and it may have been, time will tell. :)

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
10-03-2007, 10:20 PM
Yep Dave, the thread was six weeks ago, and you even were in on it. Heck you could have been driving it for month by now had you have jumped.

http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/sdc_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12494


Some of the group though that it was overpriced and it may have been, time will tell. :)

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
10-03-2007, 10:27 PM
I don't have the build sheet, but it seems to be a loaded car, AC, PS, PB, PW. I don't think the spot light is factory though.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
10-03-2007, 10:27 PM
I don't have the build sheet, but it seems to be a loaded car, AC, PS, PB, PW. I don't think the spot light is factory though.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

58PackardWagon
10-04-2007, 01:09 AM
Out of the factory they automatically came with a few options. For example 4 barrel carb, power steering and power brakes. I will have to do some searching this weekend to confirm with an article on exactly all of the extra stuff they came with. I do know a/c under the dash was an option. The unit in yours is the correct unit for 58. I just wonder if it is factory ordered or was it added later. It was a $325.00 option.

58PackardWagon
10-04-2007, 01:09 AM
Out of the factory they automatically came with a few options. For example 4 barrel carb, power steering and power brakes. I will have to do some searching this weekend to confirm with an article on exactly all of the extra stuff they came with. I do know a/c under the dash was an option. The unit in yours is the correct unit for 58. I just wonder if it is factory ordered or was it added later. It was a $325.00 option.

go-studebaker
10-04-2007, 07:22 AM
Hi John,
nice car and a good pick up. It is one of those cars that does not look to messed with and with one of those excellent rust free state bodies that you see occasionally.

The ugly cat fish mouth on those is totally way out there, but perfect if you want a different looking car compared to the dross of owning a Chev or even a common 64 R2 Hawk!!

There are 2 of those here in the UK and I always take two paper bags with me to put over my head when I am a passenger in the Lilac coloured car.

Well done on listing such a great car

Greg

Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Sedan Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1961 Hawk
1963 Daytona Hardtop
1988 Avanti Convertible

go-studebaker
10-04-2007, 07:22 AM
Hi John,
nice car and a good pick up. It is one of those cars that does not look to messed with and with one of those excellent rust free state bodies that you see occasionally.

The ugly cat fish mouth on those is totally way out there, but perfect if you want a different looking car compared to the dross of owning a Chev or even a common 64 R2 Hawk!!

There are 2 of those here in the UK and I always take two paper bags with me to put over my head when I am a passenger in the Lilac coloured car.

Well done on listing such a great car

Greg

Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Sedan Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1961 Hawk
1963 Daytona Hardtop
1988 Avanti Convertible

JDP
10-04-2007, 08:02 AM
I agree, it's a "two bagg'er', but I think that's part of the appeal. The styling is so over the top, that you are sort of drawn to it. It's like watching "Plan nine from outer space", the movie is so bad, it's good.:)

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
10-04-2007, 08:02 AM
I agree, it's a "two bagg'er', but I think that's part of the appeal. The styling is so over the top, that you are sort of drawn to it. It's like watching "Plan nine from outer space", the movie is so bad, it's good.:)

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

studegary
10-04-2007, 01:29 PM
Nice car John/JDP and listing with your signature grammatical/spelling errors like "Power Widows."
Does the car have two or four power windows (widows &lt;G&gt;).? Both options were available in 1958.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studegary
10-04-2007, 01:29 PM
Nice car John/JDP and listing with your signature grammatical/spelling errors like "Power Widows."
Does the car have two or four power windows (widows &lt;G&gt;).? Both options were available in 1958.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

JDP
10-04-2007, 02:34 PM
Only two power widows, eh windows. Maybe I put those little errors in there just to show that I'm a regular guy.:)

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
10-04-2007, 02:34 PM
Only two power widows, eh windows. Maybe I put those little errors in there just to show that I'm a regular guy.:)

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

Roscomacaw
10-04-2007, 03:12 PM
There's nothing "regular" about you, JP;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-04-2007, 03:12 PM
There's nothing "regular" about you, JP;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

JDP
10-04-2007, 05:25 PM
StudeBob said

"There's nothing "regular" about you, JP"


Thanks, that's the only way I want to be.:)

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
10-04-2007, 05:25 PM
StudeBob said

"There's nothing "regular" about you, JP"


Thanks, that's the only way I want to be.:)

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

showbizkid
10-04-2007, 06:33 PM
Perhaps some stewed prunes would help? :D[}:)]

&lt;ducking and running&gt;


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com
www.studebakersandiego.com

showbizkid
10-04-2007, 06:33 PM
Perhaps some stewed prunes would help? :D[}:)]

&lt;ducking and running&gt;


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com
www.studebakersandiego.com

Roscomacaw
10-04-2007, 06:42 PM
JP repiled: "Thanks, that's the only way I want to be."

Truth be told, that's why the likes of you and me are here![^]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-04-2007, 06:42 PM
JP repiled: "Thanks, that's the only way I want to be."

Truth be told, that's why the likes of you and me are here![^]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

go-studebaker
10-05-2007, 07:23 AM
Guys,
I was not awear of Studebaker hardtops being available at any time with rear power windows.

Of all the hardtops I have seen with PW all had hand crank rears.

Are you sure that power window rears were only available on sedans ?

Greg

Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Sedan Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1961 Hawk
1963 Daytona Hardtop
1988 Avanti Convertible

go-studebaker
10-05-2007, 07:23 AM
Guys,
I was not awear of Studebaker hardtops being available at any time with rear power windows.

Of all the hardtops I have seen with PW all had hand crank rears.

Are you sure that power window rears were only available on sedans ?

Greg

Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Sedan Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1961 Hawk
1963 Daytona Hardtop
1988 Avanti Convertible

JDP
10-05-2007, 08:52 AM
Greg, unless I'm reading the parts book wrong, you may well be correct about no rear power windows on hardtops.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
10-05-2007, 08:52 AM
Greg, unless I'm reading the parts book wrong, you may well be correct about no rear power windows on hardtops.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 Lark 2 door
58 Packard HT
56 Golden Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JBOYLE
10-05-2007, 10:26 AM
Being a new Stude guy...please humor the next question...

Is it me or does it look like a 8/10th scale 57-58 Extner-designed MOPAR?


63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

JBOYLE
10-05-2007, 10:26 AM
Being a new Stude guy...please humor the next question...

Is it me or does it look like a 8/10th scale 57-58 Extner-designed MOPAR?


63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

PackardV8
10-05-2007, 10:45 AM
Hi, JBOYLE,

Agree, the line of the hardtop and the rear fins are similar to those of the Mopars. (Assume you meant 8/10 scale;) Designers and engineers often moved from one company to another and stole what was hot and what worked.

Just like the 1949-51 Ford was designed by Stude guys and the 1951 Studebaker V8 was a knock-off of the 1949 Cadillac, and the 1955 Packard V8 has similarities to the Studebaker, Cadillac and the Pontiac V8s. Engineers wrote bring-and-brag papers and presented them at the annual Society of Automotive Engineers(SAE)conferences to keep each abreast of their latest stuff. There are papers still available from SAE on the Studebaker V8, Packard V8 and the Packard Torsion Level Suspension.

Today, all the major companies buy all the competing models and tear them completely apart. If an engineer is designing a trunk hinge, the first thing he does is go to a wall with all the current best-practice hinges mounted on it, with cost estimates attached. He then tries to make one nearly as good which will cost half as much and can be manufactured and assembled by a non-union supplier.

thnx, jack vines

PackardV8

PackardV8
10-05-2007, 10:45 AM
Hi, JBOYLE,

Agree, the line of the hardtop and the rear fins are similar to those of the Mopars. (Assume you meant 8/10 scale;) Designers and engineers often moved from one company to another and stole what was hot and what worked.

Just like the 1949-51 Ford was designed by Stude guys and the 1951 Studebaker V8 was a knock-off of the 1949 Cadillac, and the 1955 Packard V8 has similarities to the Studebaker, Cadillac and the Pontiac V8s. Engineers wrote bring-and-brag papers and presented them at the annual Society of Automotive Engineers(SAE)conferences to keep each abreast of their latest stuff. There are papers still available from SAE on the Studebaker V8, Packard V8 and the Packard Torsion Level Suspension.

Today, all the major companies buy all the competing models and tear them completely apart. If an engineer is designing a trunk hinge, the first thing he does is go to a wall with all the current best-practice hinges mounted on it, with cost estimates attached. He then tries to make one nearly as good which will cost half as much and can be manufactured and assembled by a non-union supplier.

thnx, jack vines

PackardV8

studegary
10-05-2007, 03:09 PM
The wording in the 1958 Salesman's Data Book tripped me up. On page 58 it states; "POWER WINDOWS ... On 4-door models (sedans and station wagons) and hardtops, they may be ordered for front windows only, or as a set for both front and rear door windows." The distinction between rear windows and rear door windows is what I missed before.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studegary
10-05-2007, 03:09 PM
The wording in the 1958 Salesman's Data Book tripped me up. On page 58 it states; "POWER WINDOWS ... On 4-door models (sedans and station wagons) and hardtops, they may be ordered for front windows only, or as a set for both front and rear door windows." The distinction between rear windows and rear door windows is what I missed before.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

Roscomacaw
10-05-2007, 06:48 PM
Geez Gairy! Doncha just hait it wen that hapens!:(



Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-05-2007, 06:48 PM
Geez Gairy! Doncha just hait it wen that hapens!:(



Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

StudeRich
10-05-2007, 10:33 PM
Did any of you notice that 95.8% (guessing) of the '58 "J" Body Hardtops were built with the TT option! If this build slip shows NO TT, it would be the first one I've ever seen!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
10-05-2007, 10:33 PM
Did any of you notice that 95.8% (guessing) of the '58 "J" Body Hardtops were built with the TT option! If this build slip shows NO TT, it would be the first one I've ever seen!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

58PackardWagon
10-06-2007, 01:19 AM
I will have to check a few of my build sheets. I do not think they put the TT on the Packard build sheets. The TT cam automatically with the four barl carb, auto trans and power brakes.

58PackardWagon
10-06-2007, 01:19 AM
I will have to check a few of my build sheets. I do not think they put the TT on the Packard build sheets. The TT cam automatically with the four barl carb, auto trans and power brakes.

studegary
10-07-2007, 06:39 PM
quote:Originally posted by 58PackardWagon

I will have to check a few of my build sheets. I do not think they put the TT on the Packard build sheets. The TT cam automatically with the four barl carb, auto trans and power brakes.


I do not believe that is true.
I went back to the 1958 Salesman's Data Book. It states that Twin Traction is optional on all 1958 Packards.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studegary
10-07-2007, 06:39 PM
quote:Originally posted by 58PackardWagon

I will have to check a few of my build sheets. I do not think they put the TT on the Packard build sheets. The TT cam automatically with the four barl carb, auto trans and power brakes.


I do not believe that is true.
I went back to the 1958 Salesman's Data Book. It states that Twin Traction is optional on all 1958 Packards.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

8E45E
10-07-2007, 06:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

Greg, unless I'm reading the parts book wrong, you may well be correct about no rear power windows on hardtops.



The 1958 Shop Manual Supplement, and the Body Parts catalog clearly have the appropriate documentation for power windows for the rear quarter windows on the 'J' body.

Craig

8E45E
10-07-2007, 06:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

Greg, unless I'm reading the parts book wrong, you may well be correct about no rear power windows on hardtops.



The 1958 Shop Manual Supplement, and the Body Parts catalog clearly have the appropriate documentation for power windows for the rear quarter windows on the 'J' body.

Craig