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pbrown
02-10-2014, 04:59 PM
I have a thing for 2 door wagons

This one popped up near me, and I was wondering what model it was. Would anyone like to educate me about wagons?

Is this a rarity?

http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/4312776372.html

Phillip

BTW, my wife does not share my fascination with wagons, so I'll not be pursuing it - If $4000 is a good deal for this, feel free to pursue it!

2R5
02-10-2014, 05:35 PM
Looks like a Conestoga Champion wagon , fairly scare , they didn't make that many of them.

Flashback
02-10-2014, 05:39 PM
You certainly can't accuse him of sharing too much information and photos.

Pat Dilling
02-10-2014, 05:51 PM
Looks a lot like the one in my signature picture. They are unique and '54 was the first year that Studebaker made a station wagon. They keep popping up, but most seem to be in the condition that the one in the craigs list ad is in. There were only two at the 2012 International in South Bend and none in Colorado Springs. $4000 is quite a bit to pay, unless the drive train, chassis and interior etc are in better condition than the exterior appears to be. I paid about $1000 for mine.

Nox
02-10-2014, 06:00 PM
It DOES say that it's a -54 Champion at the right in the ad & lower down that it runs & stops good.
Only thing it doen't say is Conestoga.

StudeRich
02-10-2014, 07:29 PM
It also appears to be a Regal D5, '54 Champion 6, Conestoga 2 Door Wagon with Overdrive.

It looks OK in the Pic but, this is one you (or someone) would probably need to see and make a much lower offer.

UPDATE: In terms of how many are left TODAY, I'd say that it IS actually quite rare. :!:

As Dick S. said about his $28,100.00 '63 Lark 8 Wagonaire: "Most wagons were used hard, poorly maintained and discarded when they were all used up."

BobPalma
02-10-2014, 08:12 PM
Well, Phil; rarity is how you define it, I guess. As Rich said, it appears to be a 1954 Champion Regal Wagon, Model D5.

Ford, "the wagon king" in the 1950s, made 92,699 1954 2-door wagons, sixes and eights, Mainlines and Customlines total.

Studebaker, on the other hand, made:

Champion DeLuxe wagons, Model D3: 3,910
Champion Regal wagons, Model D5: 3,074 (the subject wagon)

Commander DeLuxe wagons, Model D3: 1,912
Commander Regal wagons, Model D5: 2,878

handworn
02-10-2014, 08:23 PM
I'm just imagining that accusation-- "You...you...GOOD SELLER, YOU!"


You certainly can't accuse him of sharing too much information and photos.

55coupe
02-10-2014, 09:31 PM
Maybe someone with more knowledge can verify this its my belief that all Studebaker wagons were 2 door from 54-57.

63t-cab
02-10-2014, 09:36 PM
Stephen, I'm with You on this right or wrong.

Maybe someone with more knowledge can verify this its my belief that all Studebaker wagons were 2 door from 54-57.

WinM1895
02-10-2014, 09:45 PM
Maybe someone with more knowledge can verify this its my belief that all Studebaker wagons were 2 door from 54-57.
1954/56: 2 doors, 1957: 2 and 4 doors.

Mike Van Veghten
02-11-2014, 09:28 AM
pbrown -

Yes, it's a 54 Conestoga, Champian.
It's a I-6, flat head engine and the three speed, manual shift, with overdrive. Read that not very fast...!
All 54 and 55 Conestogas were 2dr. wagons. They had two trim packages, cheap and REAL cheap. Though for some reason, Stude had two completely different dashboards for the Champian (I-6) and the Commander (V-8).

They are somewhat difficult to come by but as Pat said, they seem to be popping up every now and again. The 53, 54 sedans share many parts, and from the firewall foward, the front sheet metal is the same. The 55 sedan (flat windshield) fenders also work.

BUT....$4000. the car should be running well, have a full interior and no "major" holes in the floor...! That's a lot of money for what appears in that picture.

I've got two 54's and a 55 Conestoga. The two years (54 and 55) are the only Stude wagons that carry the "Conestoga" name (except the "covered wagon", horse drawn versions...!).

Mike

effiedude
02-11-2014, 11:12 AM
I have to agree with You Mike! There are however those out in Hotrod land that may just pick up the car with no guilt about paying the sellers price just to have a car that would most likely be the only One of it's kind at the local car shows!
abit pricey for me since for some reason there are more than a few Studebaker cars and trucks for sale or just "around" here in Washington State!

Roscomacaw
02-11-2014, 11:26 AM
Interesting car. Since this body "theme" was only in it's second year (first year for a wagon of course), I find it kinda clumsy to have the big stainless moulding running 2/3rds the length of the car. It looks to be SO MUCH of an afterthought. I think it's also a bit strange that this heavy thing sold more editions with a 6 than with an 8!

cultural infidel
02-11-2014, 11:38 AM
Looks a lot like the one in my signature picture. They are unique and '54 was the first year that Studebaker made a station wagon. They keep popping up, but most seem to be in the condition that the one in the craigs list ad is in. There were only two at the 2012 International in South Bend and none in Colorado Springs. $4000 is quite a bit to pay, unless the drive train, chassis and interior etc are in better condition than the exterior appears to be. I paid about $1000 for mine.

Here is one that has been for sale locally for quite a long time. It is a '55.. or what is left of a '55 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/4322334140.html .

Yet another one asking too much given what is there in my opinion. But I dont actually know the market for these wagons.

southbend
02-11-2014, 12:08 PM
As they say quite frequently on the British Antiques Roadshow, just because it's old and rare doesn't mean it's necessarily valuable. It may be old and rare (and I don't perceive 1954 as being all that old, having been born in 1962 :)), but if there aren't many folks chasing after one, it's "value" goes down. Even though Ford built nearly 10 times as many 2 door wagons as did Studebaker in 1954, I'd be willing to wager that $4000 would not be perceived as too far out of line for a Ford in the same condition as this Studebaker because Fords have a much bigger following. I might be wrong--just taking a semi-uneducated guess here. However, "value" is a very, very relative and arbitrary term when talking about any collectible because "value" is ultimately in the eye of the beholder. What's the motivation? Looking for a car to flip? Looking for an investment? Looking for that car you had in high school? In each of these cases, "value" can mean a very different thing.

Michidan
02-11-2014, 12:33 PM
I hope there are still a few around when I want to build one. Man I love the looks of a 54 wagon.

pbrown
02-11-2014, 03:54 PM
Thanks for the answers!

I went looking for good pictures of a restored version of a Connestoga and came across a cool resto mod

32322

http://www.americandreamcars.com/1954studebakerconestoga2dr0411.htm

Cool piece. I like the C pillar delete. I also like the LS engine swap:!!:

Daffy427
02-11-2014, 05:02 PM
I may have to go look at this one.I don't think the price is that far out of line for a complete and running unit.

cultural infidel
02-14-2014, 12:58 AM
Was finally going through some old TW's that a former member/customer gave me and this one caught my eye and reminded of this thread.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a209/edward4dhands/Commander%20and%20Garage/IMG_20140213_210727_439_zps24chnchs.jpg A gorgeous '54 on the cover!

StudeRich
02-14-2014, 01:23 AM
Yep, that's gotta be Paul Gunder's Conestoga, in 1997 might be after he sold it.
I just happened to remember that I drove him out to Yucca Valley in the Calif. Desert, to get that tailgate. :ohmy:

That's the one we always kidded him about because of his "Original" Roof Rack from a Rambler!