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00RACER
02-01-2014, 09:28 AM
While doing a frame off on my 63 Lark the VIN plates got sprayed lightly with the blaster. Does anyone repaint or repop these plates?
THANKS

SN-60
02-01-2014, 09:37 AM
While doing a frame off on my 63 Lark the VIN plates got sprayed lightly with the blaster. Does anyone repaint or repop these plates?
THANKS

There's a previous thread on the forum asking about this. You should definitely consult with Your local RMV before reproducing VIN plates.:(

Swifster
02-01-2014, 10:22 AM
Nothing wrong with it legally as long as it's the same one for the same car. Only illegal if you are looking to 'deceive' someone. Keep the old plate and sell it with the car. I'd also get plenty of pictures of the plate on the car. Nothing wrong with removing it during a restoration.

SN-60
02-01-2014, 10:43 AM
Nothing wrong with it legally as long as it's the same one for the same car. Only illegal if you are looking to 'deceive' someone. Keep the old plate and sell it with the car. I'd also get plenty of pictures of the plate on the car. Nothing wrong with removing it during a restoration.

Well,....Good luck explaining THAT one at Barret-Jackson or a Mecum auction!!!:QQ:

Swifster
02-01-2014, 11:04 AM
Nothing wrong with it on a restoration. I have both the serial number tag and the cowl tag pulled off my Daytona. Studebaker never painted under these. They have a lot of surface rust underneath both tags. Probably worse on northern cars. The serial number tag can always be rewelded back on the car. As for Barrett-Jackson, I'm sure you have to worry about it...

SN-60
02-01-2014, 11:10 AM
Nothing wrong with it on a restoration. I have both the serial number tag and the cowl tag pulled off my Daytona. Studebaker never painted under these. They have a lot of surface rust underneath both tags. Probably worse on northern cars. The serial number tag can always be rewelded back on the car. As for Barrett-Jackson, I'm sure you have to worry about it...

As a licensed auto appraiser for the Commonwealth Of Massachusetts, I STRONGLY suggest a visit to Your State RMV before reproducing VIN plates. (as per poster's original question)

Swifster
02-01-2014, 12:16 PM
The FEDS have guidelines. And as a licensed auto appraiser for the State of Florida, I can tell you I've already checked the guidelines. There are a couple of companies reproducing tags for GM, Ford and Chrysler. There is a company in Missouri reprinting newer style VIN decals required for all '68 and newer cars. There is a company reproducing fender tags for GM, Ford and Chrysler. Documentation is key. So is knowledge Ed.

EDIT: Pulling VIN plates to restore a vehicle is not illegal. Retagging a car from one car to another is illegal. Making a car something it isn't is illegal. In some cases (depending on the state), it isn't illegal until you avoid state sales tax. See Boyd Coddington.

SN-60
02-01-2014, 12:28 PM
[QUOTE=Swifster;

EDIT: Pulling VIN plates to restore a vehicle is not illegal. [/QUOTE]



Tell THAT to the owner of a high-end Ferrari!!!!:lol:

52 Ragtop
02-01-2014, 12:40 PM
We have used the "repro" VIN deals that are on all new cars, GM, Ford and Chrysler put them on the doors, these contain not only the vin number, but the date is was produced, and the MDH (manufacturer Date Hour) We are required to send in a photo of the damaged vehicle, with the vin tag visable. A clear photo of the tag, and we reciece the decal back via overnight mail.
Once we had a BMW that we needed one, that was a part available from BMW only! It took six weeks.
As long as there is no intention of fraud, there is not a problem.

Jim

SN-60
02-01-2014, 12:47 PM
We have used the "repro" VIN deals that are on all new cars, GM, Ford and Chrysler put them on the doors, these contain not only the vin number, but the date is was produced, and the MDH (manufacturer Date Hour) We are required to send in a photo of the damaged vehicle, with the vin tag visable. A clear photo of the tag, and we reciece the decal back via overnight mail.
Once we had a BMW that we needed one, that was a part available from BMW only! It took six weeks.
As long as there is no intention of fraud, there is not a problem.

Jim

You're saying "repro VIN DECALS" in Your first sentence aren't You 52 Ragtop?

52 Ragtop
02-01-2014, 12:50 PM
These are exact copies of the decals, NOT the one on the dash. They are not available from the manufacturer.

Jim

SN-60
02-01-2014, 01:02 PM
52 Ragtop,...What You've told us is very interesting.....If anything it shows the pains that are taken today to 'get things right'. Kind of validates My point that the well meaning 'Do It Yourselfer' should check in with his particular state's RMV to make sure what he's doing is legal.

Swifster
02-01-2014, 01:40 PM
Yes, if you are looking to defraud someone, check with your state. Nothing in this tread indicates fraud. And I'm sure Jim and I used the same company for the VIN decals. The VIN plates are made by someone else and is completely legal.

Dave Bates
02-01-2014, 01:49 PM
If you just need the decal the only place I found was Studebaker Queensland.You may want to order quickly,The latest ad said he was closing March 1st and there is a cut-off for US orders.

SN-60
02-01-2014, 02:34 PM
Yes, if you are looking to defraud someone, check with your state. Nothing in this tread indicates fraud. And I'm sure Jim and I used the same company for the VIN decals. The VIN plates are made by someone else and is completely legal.

Ignorance of the law doesn't usually hold up in court....Be smart and check with Your state RMV on this question;)

studegary
02-01-2014, 03:13 PM
While doing a frame off on my 63 Lark the VIN plates got sprayed lightly with the blaster. Does anyone repaint or repop these plates?
THANKS

If they were "sprayed lightly", the serial number is probably deep enough that you could make it legible. Then just add a reproduction decal for the Studebaker name part at the top of the plate. This way you will not have to remove your existing Serial Number (not "VIN") plate.
You say "plates" (plural). There is one Serial Number plate and one body number tag on a 1963 Lark. Are you referring to one or both of these?

00RACER
02-01-2014, 04:39 PM
No I just need to have the black repainted with the white Studebaker lettering on it. Where do I get the decal?
THANKS

studegary
02-02-2014, 01:09 PM
No I just need to have the black repainted with the white Studebaker lettering on it. Where do I get the decal?
THANKS

Refer to post #14 on this topic/thread.

stude dude
02-03-2014, 06:11 AM
I have a reasonable number of all three decal types used from 1954-1966. And I also have some blank stainless plates.

Let em know what you need and I will get the on the way.

Chris
STUDEBAKER QUEENSLAND
www.studeparts.com.au

1950 Champion RegalDeluxe
03-05-2014, 01:21 AM
The FEDS have guidelines. And as a licensed auto appraiser for the State of Florida, I can tell you I've already checked the guidelines. There are a couple of companies reproducing tags for GM, Ford and Chrysler. There is a company in Missouri reprinting newer style VIN decals required for all '68 and newer cars. There is a company reproducing fender tags for GM, Ford and Chrysler. Documentation is key. So is knowledge Ed.

EDIT: Pulling VIN plates to restore a vehicle is not illegal. Retagging a car from one car to another is illegal. Making a car something it isn't is illegal. In some cases (depending on the state), it isn't illegal until you avoid state sales tax. See Boyd Coddington.

Is this another way to say "Drop Dead"?

Morbid sense of humor, or open mouth insert foot?

LOL

1950 Champion RegalDeluxe
03-05-2014, 01:38 AM
On topic: I recently found a 1963 Lark Daytona two door in a salvage yard that I might be interested in saving from the crusher before the price of scrap goes up.

Is there any way to decode the VIN number to discover what options it once had?

There is enough there to support the off chance possibility that it could be a "Super Lark", but the drivetrain is gone now.

I would like to know if I could find out what options it had from the factory.

If it is what it seems to be, it could be something worth the considerable time and money it would take to re-animate it.

rockne10
03-05-2014, 01:41 AM
00Racer indicates his Serial Plate numbers are still legibly stamped. It would take substantial sand blasting to obliterate those numbers stamped in stainless. I believe in Pennsylvania he has no issue, other than a desire for the plate to look unblemished.
Since all states have there own regulations, or lack thereof, I would agree that questions of this sort should best be addressed to one's local authorities.
Even interpretations within a jurisdiction can vary by individuals. I once bought a '48 Cadillac that had a lost title and the DMV officer I first worked with informed me the vehicle did not, and could not, exist. I'm sitting in it! But it's not there! Bureaucratic reality!

rockne10
03-05-2014, 01:45 AM
Is there any way to decode the VIN number to discover what options it once had?Only by purchasing a copy of the production order from the Studebaker National Museum for $48 if you have the Serial Number.

https://studebakermuseum.org/store/production-orders/

1950 Champion RegalDeluxe
03-05-2014, 01:59 AM
Vin number 63V7065

It looks like it has always been a track car, but Larks were very affordable and there are enough parts around in the 70's and early 80's where a person could have made this car out of a salvage yard or two worth of scrounged parts.

One of my favorite local yards had a small section of Studebaker cars and trucks before scrap prices went up in the late 1990's.
Most of the complete vehicles were heavy trucks and Larks.