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southbend
12-05-2013, 06:59 AM
Found this on ebay this morning. Is this really a dealer promo model or is it a toy that was sold in toy stores? Either way, it's kind of cool.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-1950s-Studebaker-Commander-Dealer-Promo-Remote-Control-Model-Car-/141131543303?pt=Model_Kit_US&hash=item20dc187307

EssexExport
12-05-2013, 07:50 AM
Interesting. Wonder what went on on the back?

raprice
12-05-2013, 08:56 AM
It looks like a promo model, but I wouldn't swear to that. I have a promo model of the '59 Lark with friction drive. At least I believe it to be a promo.
A number of companies used promos that were called slush models. I own one of those that was given to me when my dad bought a '50 Nash from Menendez Motors in Hempstead, NY. The salesman gave the model to me. I think it was toward the end of the model year. Anyway, the company used to models to demonstrate the various colors and color combinations that were available.
Rog

Bordeaux Daytona
12-05-2013, 09:28 AM
I think they might have been toy store items but would not be surprised if dealers sold them too. AMT. That's a good price for one.
Here's a picture of a 52 I found doing a search. There was a hose that would steer the car using vacuum or pressure and an electric motor would drive the wheels. I don't know if they ever used the style with the exposed bulb in the second picture of a Ford. The rubber bulb dries up after all the years and they're mssing a lot of times.
There's a clip with Buster Keaton playing with one on his TV show. I'll have to see if it's on youtube.

Bordeaux Daytona
12-05-2013, 09:40 AM
Here's the video with Buster Keaton playing with the Studebaker remote car at the very end. I might download it since it's available.

https://archive.org/details/1950EpisodeOftheBusterKeatonShow

(https://archive.org/details/1950EpisodeOftheBusterKeatonShow)
An episode of the live television series "The Buster Keaton Show", complete with commercials for Studebaker. This is said to be the sole surviving episode of this comedy series, which aired in the Los Angeles area.

southbend
12-05-2013, 10:18 AM
Here's the video with Buster Keaton playing with the Studebaker remote car at the very end. I might download it since it's available.

https://archive.org/details/1950EpisodeOftheBusterKeatonShow

(https://archive.org/details/1950EpisodeOftheBusterKeatonShow)

Cool video. The only time I wished for more commercials and less of the show. In fact, I searched out the commercials and didn't watch most of the program. Looks like he's playing with the same toy which leads me to believe this was a Studebaker authorized promo-type toy. I wonder if that was a Studebaker truck Buster jumped on toward the end of the show?

EssexExport
12-05-2013, 10:26 AM
Wow, live t.v. with live commercials.

Bordeaux Daytona
12-05-2013, 10:33 AM
I was wondering about the truck too. I've never seen that part. I have a vhs tape with the Stude commercials on it.
They're on youtube but they cut the end off with him playing with the car.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrJxPbnj7C8

southbend
12-05-2013, 11:25 AM
Here are a few photos of my '47 Commander 5 passenger coupe promo. My grandfather probably gave it to me back in the late '60s (He passed in '71). I must have been about 6 or 7 years old at the time. He had a rental house he was cleaning out and found it in the neighbor's trash can (BTW, this was in Hammond, Ind.--not very far from South Holland, Bordeaux Daytona).. Technically, this was my first Studebaker. Grandpa had his father-in-law's Model A at the time. Grandpa was a Ford man--please don't hold that against him:)

The stamping on the bottom reads: NAT PRODUCTS INC CHGO

National Products, Chicago??

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2R5
12-05-2013, 11:29 AM
That TV show was cool .....its amazing how far TV and car commercials have come ! ( not always for the better mind you )

Bordeaux Daytona
12-05-2013, 12:24 PM
Here are a few photos of my '47 Commander 5 passenger coupe promo. My grandfather probably gave it to me back in the late '60s (He passed in '71). I must have been about 6 or 7 years old at the time. He had a rental house he was cleaning out and found it in the neighbor's trash can (BTW, this was in Hammond, Ind.--not very far from South Holland, Bordeaux Daytona).. Technically, this was my first Studebaker. Grandpa had his father-in-law's Model A at the time. Grandpa was a Ford man--please don't hold that against him:)

The stamping on the bottom reads: NAT PRODUCTS INC CHGO

National Products, Chicago??

That's cool!
I should have known the dealer in Hammonds name but cheated and did a search. Lute. http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?1021-Studebaker-Dealers&p=687864&viewfull=1#post687864


National products changed their name to Banthrico later(or one purchased the other?). There was an article in a magazine a few months back saying a company is producing their banks again but I forgot to get their website address.

Hmm, I just did a search and this site came up, they're showing the Studebaker pickup, the tooling must still exist! :woot:, I wonder how much they are?:) I can't figure out, I guess you'd have to contact them.
http://www.cuttingedgecatalog.com/automobiles_pg2.shtml

studegary
12-05-2013, 02:06 PM
This seller has two other Studebaker promos currently on eBay along with some other brand promos.
He is about ten miles from me, but I do not know who it is.

j.byrd
12-05-2013, 02:36 PM
Gary, I sold a LOT of my model and toy collection ( over 300 pieces ) to a gentleman named Fred Stearns - - see link- - http://www.fredsmodelworldonline.com/new.htm. One of them was one of the remote controlled 53 or 54 coupe cars that was grey. ( I kept the 53 Ford remote car that my Dad had given me ) There were also several other toys and promos in the lot. He was very enthusiastic and honest with me, offered more money than I had asked a few "collectors" on some of the cars, and at the time wanted one of the Palmer brand Champ truck models which I had already sold to another fellow. John

Bordeaux Daytona
12-05-2013, 04:07 PM
Oh! I just found the Studebaker stake bed truck on their site!:woot:

Here's a chance to get one without the sides all busted up.


http://www.cuttingedgecatalog.com/trucks_construction_vehicles.shtml

Bordeaux Daytona
12-05-2013, 04:28 PM
Ok, here's the article about the Banthrico/Cutting Edge Industries that was in Hemmings.

http://www.hemmings.com/hmn/stories/2013/06/01/hmn_feature32.html

Looks like they have the Golden Hawk, the 1904 Studebaker, and some old Conestoga wagons. I don't see the 47-49 Starlight but maybe they have it. And they have Packards too. Some of the cars like the '04 and Hawk can still be found on ebay, the '04's are going for much.


They are made on demand, with a minimum production run of 24 per mold.
Maybe the SNM or someone can get some runs made.:)

southbend
12-05-2013, 04:50 PM
Wow, does this bring back memories. As a kid I had the '26 Model T sedan, the '17 Pierce Arrow, and the '15 Chevy. One of the local banks (Calumet National Bank, I think--they've since been bought out, but what local bank hasn't?) gave them away when you open a new account, took out a car loan, etc. The bank's name was printed on the roof. You put your coins in a slot in the bottom plate which was held in place by four little screws, one in each corner. The ones I had had metal axles and wheels that rolled. Made great little toys. They were always bronze in color. Sadly, they somehow went away years ago. Ah, the good days when banks were locally owned and truly cared about their customers!

Did you see the '58 Hawk at the bottom of this page? Must be a "silver" hawk.

http://www.cuttingedgecatalog.com/automobiles_pg1.shtml

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Great idea about this being a SDC or SNM fundraiser.

Steve T
12-05-2013, 05:09 PM
Those annual toys were offered variously as static promos, friction promos/toys, or remote-control promos/toys...I've got a '52 very similar to the one in the photo above, which seems to have been a toy-store item, complete with its (very mangy) original box (which was not annually updated..."Advanced Styled Studebaker" it says, but the rendering on the boxtop is a '50 like the eBay ad example). They turn up not too infrequently in antique stores and at toy/collectible shows hereabouts, often with lofty prices. There have been similar toys made of not only the two bulletnose years and the '52, but also of hardtops from '53 through '56. I've got old frictions of a '53-4, a '55 and a '56 Golden Hawk. All have suffered a bit from the passage of time, with some warping of the bodies and fracturing of the acetate windows (missing entirely on the '53), but they're pretty cool nonetheless...

S.

Bordeaux Daytona
12-05-2013, 05:10 PM
I have a '04 Stude from a local bank that got bought out. Found it at a garage sale last year along with some other banthricos. I could have gone to the bank and bought some they had left over before they got bought out.
I think the SNM had a loose hawk for sale like that a few years back. Maybe it was donated by someone. I almost bought it because it had different wheels on it.
I forgot about the 53-54 they did in potmetal. Those go for a song. I bought one a couple of years back and it wasn't cheap. That would be cool if they had that one. I was going to compare it to the hawk to see if they only updated the 54 but I think they're a different casting.

WinM1895
12-05-2013, 05:24 PM
Studebaker promo models listed on page 475 of: Collecting Toy Cars & Trucks - krause.com - ISBN: 0-89689-128-3

1950 & 1951 '2 doors' made by AMT.

AMT initials refer to Aluminum Model Toys, but most of their promos and all of their kits were plastic. The plastic used on promos in the 1950's tended to warp...even if the promos were in the box.

AFAIK, the remote control models were sold in toy stores.

skyway
12-05-2013, 06:19 PM
"Here are a few photos of my '47 Commander 5 passenger coupe promo."

That's cool, I have the same one in a dark blue/green color in almost the same shape. Mine has all 4 tires but they are sadder than yours. I have always thought mine must have spent time out of doors or been buried or some such.
Bought mine at a farm sale about 100 miles west of St. Louis for which the sale bill said "Ford car model!"

It was a great sale because all of the dealers were absent. So I was allso able to pick up a St. Louis Veiled Prophet (high society debutant ball) commerative hand mirror from the 1890's at a great price because nobody recognized it for what it was; and also a Hamilton 552 Railroad watch in a stainless case, because nobody knew that you had to remove the bezel and use the set lever, to set the hands.

Paid probably $5 and $10'ish for each item. All in all a good day.

53k
12-05-2013, 08:48 PM
Found this on ebay this morning. Is this really a dealer promo model or is it a toy that was sold in toy stores? Either way, it's kind of cool.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-1950s-Studebaker-Commander-Dealer-Promo-Remote-Control-Model-Car-/141131543303?pt=Model_Kit_US&hash=item20dc187307
Studebaker probably sanctioned them, but they were not promos. They were sold in toy stores. My uncle gave me a '50 Studebaker and my brother a '50 Pontiac. I bought a complete one from Matthew Burnette a couple years ago and I still have the one I was given for Christmas in '49 or '50. It is the last picture below- missing bumper, control, badly warped and discolored...but it's mine.

aenthal
12-05-2013, 09:41 PM
I do not specifically know about that model, whether it was a promo or not.
But I do know that AMT made both promos and toys from the same tooling. So you would need the box or some kind of expert to tell a genuine promo from a consumer version.
The vehicle itself is not substantially different when sold as a toy, if there is any difference at all.
Sometimes the differences are things like colors. The toys got a specific color and the promos got different ones. Not always, though.
Often it is just timing. The promos were made and distributed first, and the toys were made and sold later.

studeguy54
12-05-2013, 10:11 PM
Found this on ebay this morning. Is this really a dealer promo model or is it a toy that was sold in toy stores? Either way, it's kind of cool.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-1950s-Studebaker-Commander-Dealer-Promo-Remote-Control-Model-Car-/141131543303?pt=Model_Kit_US&hash=item20dc187307

I have two these. One has a remote control attached to it. I believe it was made by a company name Remco. I think the other was a dealer promotional model. Think Studebakers are easy to find parts for??? They are....even with models like these. My son was able to get a new front bumper, in reproduction, even for this model!

Pack Rat
12-09-2013, 07:52 PM
That was a remote control toy car. I used to have one just like it. The front wheels are spring loaded and cocked for a right turn. There was a pneumatic
plunger on the control box that pumped air into a bladder between the front wheels and allowed you to turn the car either way or run it straight. That was one of the neatest toys I had as a kid. The 'junk' sticking out of the back are the wires for the motor and the air tube for steering.

Pack Man

Steve T
01-23-2014, 05:24 PM
Here are some of the models I've picked up at swap meets, in antique markets, etc...

'52 remote toy, '59 Lark HT, '53 friction made over decades ago as a "kustom"...

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/StudeSteve/Studebaker%20Miscellany/100_1013.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/StudeSteve/media/Studebaker%20Miscellany/100_1013.jpg.html)

Another '52, this one in exceptionally nice nick

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/StudeSteve/Studebaker%20Miscellany/100_5652.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/StudeSteve/media/Studebaker%20Miscellany/100_5652.jpg.html)

'55 Commander HT

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/StudeSteve/Studebaker%20Miscellany/100_3160_zps73b37a8f.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/StudeSteve/media/Studebaker%20Miscellany/100_3160_zps73b37a8f.jpg.html)

'56 Golden Hawk

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/StudeSteve/Studebaker%20Miscellany/100_3163_zps3d7043d4.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/StudeSteve/media/Studebaker%20Miscellany/100_3163_zps3d7043d4.jpg.html)

S.

rodnutrandy
01-23-2014, 09:03 PM
:DI have a 1/24 model of a m5 pickup A gentleman showed me at the tri-state Studebaker Meet in Chillicothe , Ohio 2 years ago. I bought it from him . It is a friction drive and was rust colored when bought. I tried to paint it red like my truck ,but didn't turn out as nice as hoped .:confused:

Bordeaux Daytona
01-24-2014, 09:17 AM
:DI have a 1/24 model of a m5 pickup A gentleman showed me at the tri-state Studebaker Meet in Chillicothe , Ohio 2 years ago. I bought it from him . It is a friction drive and was rust colored when bought. I tried to paint it red like my truck ,but didn't turn out as nice as hoped .:confused:

There was a thread on the toy Studebaker Collector's Club Forum a few years back about those trucks.
I passed them up at South Bend one year thinking I'd find one in a store and the next year the price had gone through the roof.:(

http://tscc-online.lefora.com/topic/3646316/Mystery-M-Series

stuchamp
09-30-2014, 11:28 AM
Found this 1954 remote promo toy at an antique mall.
It's in fairly good shape but the elec motor was apart and looks to be missing its casing.
Anyone have a photo of the motor assembly for these?

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n143/stuchamp/Misc/006_zps62af03af.jpg (http://s111.photobucket.com/user/stuchamp/media/Misc/006_zps62af03af.jpg.html)
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n143/stuchamp/Misc/001_zpsb1992939.jpg (http://s111.photobucket.com/user/stuchamp/media/Misc/001_zpsb1992939.jpg.html)