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StudeMichael
11-23-2013, 01:15 AM
I have seen many examples of Mercedes Benz adapting Studebaker concepts, even in recent years. Now they have a Mercedes Gran Turismo concept car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mq3EFoD6Tc&feature=youtu.be

EssexExport
11-23-2013, 09:11 AM
Awesome car for a video game.

DEEPNHOCK
11-23-2013, 10:00 AM
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GTCruiser
11-23-2013, 01:10 PM
Wow! Seems the days are gone when the USA manufacturers had a frequency of concept cars. Or maybe I'm not following them close enough.

JBOYLE
11-23-2013, 07:16 PM
I have seen many examples of Mercedes Benz adapting Studebaker concepts, even in recent years.



I think they're due...especially after Studebaker blatantly swiped the Mercedes grille for the Larks.
And we know that they adopted Mercedes door latches for the Avanti. Recently I showed my Avanti to a former Mercedes dealer GM...he noticed those right away.

I still may try to adopt a period Becker radio in place of my Studebaker AM unit....since some (many?) Studebaker dealers also handled Mercedes, I could see a MB-sourced radio finding its way into an expensive Avanti if the buyer wanted an upscale radio.

Dan Timberlake
11-24-2013, 09:53 AM
Some may not know Studebaker's relationship with Mercedes was pretty tight there for a while.
http://www.flickr.com/groups/studebaker/pool/with/7040786773/lightbox/

Mercedes Benz Inc ( A Subsidiary of Studebaker Corporation) South Bend, Indiana

(Do NOT start scrolling thru that flickr collection if you have any plans for the next hour or two)

DEEPNHOCK
11-24-2013, 10:15 AM
Pretty sure I saw this car on a recent episode of American Pickers...
It was in a barn with that cement Studebaker building emblem.....
Jeffhttp://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/images/icons/icon6.png

http://www.flickr.com/groups/studebaker/pool/with/6884757500/lightbox/

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JRoberts
11-24-2013, 07:23 PM
Of course Mercendes did not appreciate Studebaker's "tri-star" on the '54-s, but after that until the mid 1960's Studebaker was the U.S. distributors for Mercedes. The Grand Tourismo label has been used by many automakers over the years. That is what the term GT that is seen so often stands for. I don't think Mercedes did anything out of line in using it now. The Lark/Hawk grill style was actually used by Mercedes prior to Studebaker using it. Oh, and thanks for posting the link to the video. That Mercedes might be the first think I'd buy when I win the lottery. (Yep, I know it would have to be a BIG lottery....now where's that lottery ticket again???)

hausdok
11-24-2013, 08:05 PM
Kind of looked like a gussied up Fiskar with a gasoline engine.

leroy
11-24-2013, 08:32 PM
Near the end of the video, after the pic Jeff posted is a gt logo, the caption says
gran turismo gt is a registered trademark of Sony entertainment.

does Sony own gt now? Maybe I didn't understand it.

DEEPNHOCK
11-25-2013, 07:47 AM
Gran Turismo is now a Playstation video game... And Platstation is owned by Sony...

http://www.gran-turismo.com/us/

http://us.playstation.com/




Near the end of the video, after the pic Jeff posted is a gt logo, the caption says
gran turismo gt is a registered trademark of Sony entertainment.

does Sony own gt now? Maybe I didn't understand it.

clonelark
11-25-2013, 08:19 AM
Picture of it on MSN home page this morning, If it wasnt for the tri star I'd think it was a Buick

http://i44.tinypic.com/357olza.jpg

WinM1895
11-25-2013, 10:36 AM
Of course Mercedes did not appreciate Studebaker's "tri-star" on the '54-s, but after that :confused: until the mid 1960's Studebaker was the U.S. distributors for Mercedes.
Roy Hurley of Curtiss-Wright was negotiating a deal to distribute M-B cars in the US prior to his involvement with Studebaker-Packard. The deal was hung up due to Max Hoffmann having exclusive rights to distribute M-B's in New York City & Los Angeles.

When Hurley took over, S-P became the distributor for M-B after Hoffmann's contract expired in early 1957.

Pontiac's chief engineer John Z. DeLorean's 1964 Pontiac GTO: Gran Turismo Omologato. Ford 'nuts' referred to GTO as the Garbage Truck Option.

The GTO is considered by many to be the first muscle car. The term was originally coined by Motor Trend for midsized cars with large V8's installed from full sized cars.

Today, the terms Muscle Car and Pony Car have become muddled with no clear definition between the two.

PlainBrownR2
11-25-2013, 06:37 PM
Near the end of the video, after the pic Jeff posted is a gt logo, the caption says
gran turismo gt is a registered trademark of Sony entertainment.

does Sony own gt now? Maybe I didn't understand it.


Sony doesn't have trademarks on the term gran turismo gt, but they do have trademarks on the title of the video game "Gran Turismo GT". If you're not looking to program, market, and sell your own video game and calling it "Gran Turismo GT" for Sony's Playstation consoles, you'll be just fine. Sony has been supplying the "Gran Turismo" type games for the better part of 10 years now for its Playstation consoles. As an example, since I have a now older Playstation 2(replaced by the Playstation 3 a couple years ago) which is a replacement to an older Playstation 2 in 2005 or so, I have "Gran Turismo 4", which I've owned since 2004-ish. :)

8E45E
02-09-2014, 02:40 AM
I still may try to adopt a period Becker radio in place of my Studebaker AM unit....since some (many?) Studebaker dealers also handled Mercedes, I could see a MB-sourced radio finding its way into an expensive Avanti if the buyer wanted an upscale radio.

The Avanti shop manual clearly shows either a Becker or a Blaupunkt radio installed in one.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3694/12402453235_079649e7b7_o.jpg

Craig

SN-60
02-09-2014, 08:08 AM
Picture of it on MSN home page this morning, If it wasnt for the tri star I'd think it was a Buick

http://i44.tinypic.com/357olza.jpg

If it wasn't for the tri-star I'd think it was the Batmobile!

Nox
02-09-2014, 09:39 AM
Just as clonelark writes: Buick! ...but sadly enough the but-ugly -58's grill. :(

Sdude
02-09-2014, 11:58 AM
I love the LED lit grill. If you don't like the 58 Buick look you can lite up different grill stubs for a whole new look. Cool stuff.

hausdok
02-09-2014, 12:41 PM
Mercedes certainly wasn't inspired by Studebaker to design this prototype. The only similiarity is calling it a GT.

GT or Grand Tourism (Turismo) depending on how you want to spell it, was a term adopted early in the 20th century to describe open road car racing as opposed to closed circuit car racing. In the early days of car racing we Americans were mostly tearing around on wood ovals while the Europeans had a well developed set of closed circuit racers vying for the Gran Prix (big prize) trophy at the end of the year. When the Europeans expanded racing to include long endurance races over the open road between destinations the term Gran Turismo (great tour or great race) was coined to describe those races. GT was simply the initials. Over the years many manufacturers have used the term. Stude wasn't the first and Mercedes won't be the last.

A while back there was some discussion here about Studebaker's supposed ownership of the term Starlight. Studebaker applied it to certain models but they never registered it as a trademark so anyone was free to use it until/unless challenged by Studebaker, who then would have needed to assert first usage and be required to prove it in any court proceedings.

Sony owns the trademark because they were astute enough to register it. Mercedes acknowledges them only because Sony has the financial ability to sue MB and cause MB to have to re-think the name if Sony were so inclined. That doesn't mean that Sony is the sole owner of the terms Gran Turismo or GT because they are not - there are at least a dozen other entities that have registered the mark - some as recently as a month ago. To stop them from using the name, Sony would have to initiate legal proceedings against each of them individually and prove first usage, which they can't do. Sony can only show first usage when applying the term to a computer gaming system.

From the straight-on shot, I also thought the car looked like a Fisker with a new style grill or a snake trying to swallow an electric razor backwards.

Nox
02-09-2014, 05:19 PM
I actually don't mind the grill itself on -58 Buick but the whole rest of the car & that goes for Oldsmobile & Pontiac also that year; the year when especially Buick & Oldsmobile lost their faces/images/styling.
But that's just me & my bad taste! :)