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packard352
10-03-2013, 08:21 AM
Hi,

Having spent 5.5 years restoring a 56J and using Pors to seal and remove rust from the gas tank, sadly there is still rust being sucked through the gas system.

So, now I'm wanting to know if anyone in SDC knows of where I can either buy a new gas tank that is correct for my car, or speak with a company that will fabricate a new tank with the preference of stainless steel rather than alloy.

Thanks for help in advance, Richard

sweetolbob
10-03-2013, 10:00 AM
Hi,

Having spent 5.5 years restoring a 56J and using Pors to seal and remove rust from the gas tank, sadly there is still rust being sucked through the gas system.

So, now I'm wanting to know if anyone in SDC knows of where I can either buy a new gas tank that is correct for my car, or speak with a company that will fabricate a new tank with the preference of stainless steel rather than alloy.

Thanks for help in advance, Richard

Beautiful car and great photo. You'll probably get a ton of options but Rock Valley will custom build a SS tank to your specs. Don't know if you need originality, but this should be a one-time although not a cheap fix. http://www.rockvalleyantiqueautoparts.com/catalog/gas_tanks_order_custom.pdf

Bob

JoeHall
10-03-2013, 10:14 AM
Send tanksinc.com a letter of inquiry. They make repro tanks for many classics, including tanks set up for EFI. I have been trying to get them to repro Stude tanks for awhile now. Maybe if enough people ask them, they will see profitability and start making them for us.

packard352
10-03-2013, 10:37 AM
Send tanksinc.com a letter of inquiry. They make repro tanks for many classics, including tanks set up for EFI. I have been trying to get them to repro Stude tanks for awhile now. Maybe if enough people ask them, they will see profitability and start making them for us.


Hi Joe,

I don't know what the potential marketplace would be for them, but hence my earlier post on 56J Forum, but I'll try and give my inquiry a good positive spin for them. I'm waiting for a reply from Andrew from Stude Museum regards being able to obtain a Blueprint Drawing (s).

Fingers crossed!

Many thanks for collective replies so far.
Richard

JoeHall
10-03-2013, 12:22 PM
Hi Joe,

I don't know what the potential marketplace would be for them, but hence my earlier post on 56J Forum, but I'll try and give my inquiry a good positive spin for them. I'm waiting for a reply from Andrew from Stude Museum regards being able to obtain a Blueprint Drawing (s).

Fingers crossed!


Many thanks for collective replies so far.
Richard
Hi Richard,
We have discussed it here on this NG recently, a universal tank that would fit most, if not all 1953-66 Studes could probably be built,since they are far more similar than different. Differences such as filler neck location could easily be dealt with by a manufacturer.

JoeHall
10-03-2013, 12:36 PM
I just spoke to "Eric" at tanksinc.com, and he said: "Justin" is the man to convince there, and gave me his contact info. To design a new tank costs them around $30,000, so they'd have to see potential profits. I mentioned universality for 1953-66 tanks, and the archives on this NG as a source of info to help determine potential market need.

Next step, I'll send Justin an email. If anyone has any other ideas, either to convince tanksinc.com, or otherwise, would love to hear it.
Thanks

packard352
10-03-2013, 05:12 PM
I just spoke to "Eric" at tanksinc.com, and he said: "Justin" is the man to convince there, and gave me his contact info. To design a new tank costs them around $30,000, so they'd have to see potential profits. I mentioned universality for 1953-66 tanks, and the archives on this NG as a source of info to help determine potential market need.

Next step, I'll send Justin an email. If anyone has any other ideas, either to convince tanksinc.com, or otherwise, would love to hear it.
Thanks

Hi Joe,

I wonder if you could obtain co-operation with Cornerstone, who run the membership subscriptions on behalf of SDC..? I often read / quote myself to the uninitiated folk, that SDC has a membership of 12K +

Without Cornerstone compromises any data infingement rules, they ought to be able to give an idea of all 1953 - 66 cars. They might even be able to go further and breakdown these a little bit further without identifying the individual owners. The point being to get a handle on the potential data pool (car numbers).

This would provide a reasonable starting point from which a percentage (10%.. 15%.. 20%) of cars / owners might be interested in considering the idea of purchasing a new tank. Tanksinc might even consider running a promotion to SDC members to help incentivize interest and up-take.

I spoke with a company in the UK today, who specialise in Jaguar, pressed steel tanks. Prices range from 170.00 + VAT up to 399.00 + VAT. VAT = value added tax at 20%. So 170.00 + 20% (34.00) = total 204.00. If using approximate excgange rate of $1.60 = 1.00, then 204.00 = $326.40 for new gas tank for a Jaguar XJ Series car.

I also spoke with another company yesterday, who quoted me a ballpark figure of circa 800.00 (including VAT) for a stainless steel tank fabrication. And, though I didn't write down the spec of the steel being quoted, it wasn't the lightest / thinest guage steel.

Maybe some of the figutres I'm including above will help to give a feel / starting point for Justin and you to have a more 'informed' discussion..?

The one thing I know is that the steel tanks of circa 50 years and counting will never get any younger and therefore, there will always be a growing issue of tank failure and how to deal with them when they are shot.

Hope the above contribution will be of help with your dialogue with Justin!

Good luck!
Richard

SN-60
10-03-2013, 05:40 PM
Anyone have any idea what a 'fair' price for a NOS fuel tank for the above car would be these days?.....the supply seems to be running short.

Pat Dilling
10-03-2013, 05:50 PM
I just spoke to "Eric" at tanksinc.com, and he said: "Justin" is the man to convince there, and gave me his contact info. To design a new tank costs them around $30,000, so they'd have to see potential profits. I mentioned universality for 1953-66 tanks, and the archives on this NG as a source of info to help determine potential market need.

Next step, I'll send Justin an email. If anyone has any other ideas, either to convince tanksinc.com, or otherwise, would love to hear it.
Thanks

You might let him know that Goodmark has just started producing rear fenders for the C/K cars. They clearly feel there is sufficient demand. I also wonder about that $30,000 figure to design a tank. That seems a lot to copy an existing tank, already designed, and in the public domain. I have one of their tanks for 49-52 Chevy that I have adapted to my 53. I only paid about $200 for it. For that one they designed a more or less universal tank with provisions to locate the filler in several locations to fit specific car models.

JoeHall
10-03-2013, 06:54 PM
I wonder if someone could garner Ed Reynolds' interest in this venture.

JoeHall
10-03-2013, 06:58 PM
You might let him know that Goodmark has just started producing rear fenders for the C/K cars. They clearly feel there is sufficient demand. I also wonder about that $30,000 figure to design a tank. That seems a lot to copy an existing tank, already designed, and in the public domain. I have one of their tanks for 49-52 Chevy that I have adapted to my 53. I only paid about $200 for it. For that one they designed a more or less universal tank with provisions to locate the filler in several locations to fit specific car models.
Hi Pat,
I'd be afraid to send him to Goodmark, since I do not think they have yet sold as many of those fenders as they'd hoped.

In looking at tank specs on tanksincs' website, the 49-52 Chevy looked like a good candidate for Stude, but IIRC their capacity is around 15 gallons, versus Studes' 18. The 55-57 Chevy's looks close, but would be about 2" lower. I like that those tanks can be had in EFI versions too.

Pat Dilling
10-03-2013, 07:53 PM
Hi Pat,
I'd be afraid to send him to Goodmark, since I do not think they have yet sold as many of those fenders as they'd hoped.

In looking at tank specs on tanksincs' website, the 49-52 Chevy looked like a good candidate for Stude, but IIRC their capacity is around 15 gallons, versus Studes' 18. The 55-57 Chevy's looks close, but would be about 2" lower. I like that those tanks can be had in EFI versions too.

Yes the tank is about 15 gallons, the less capacity has not been an issue. The car still has a longer range between fuel stops than I do. ;) I chose it because their EFI pumps drop right in. It does hang lower than the original Stude tank. I did have to fabricate a mount for it using straps that go under it like Chevy uses. My only complaint in 27,000 miles with it is getting it to seal around the sending unit. If I fill it to the top it has a slow leak there.

JoeHall
10-04-2013, 08:59 PM
Yes the tank is about 15 gallons, the less capacity has not been an issue. The car still has a longer range between fuel stops than I do. ;) I chose it because their EFI pumps drop right in. It does hang lower than the original Stude tank. I did have to fabricate a mount for it using straps that go under it like Chevy uses. My only complaint in 27,000 miles with it is getting it to seal around the sending unit. If I fill it to the top it has a slow leak there.
Pat,
That tank sure tucks up under your 53 very well. I never noticed it, and I bet not many others have either.

Dwain G.
10-04-2013, 10:31 PM
[QUOTE=Pat Dilling;My only complaint in 27,000 miles with it is getting it to seal around the sending unit. If I fill it to the top it has a slow leak there.[/QUOTE]
Here's a product that will seal the sending unit gaskets. It can be purchased from Amazon if you can't find it anywhere else :http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41dzgEERpwL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Corvanti
10-04-2013, 10:47 PM
here's a link: http://www.amazon.com/Gasoila-E-Seal-Soft-Set-Thread-Sealant/dp/B00AB0YMX0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1380944150&sr=8-2&keywords=gasoila+e+seal

i "ass-u-me" it won't harm rubber gaskets. true?

i can't fill the '51 much past 3/4's full. tricky since the gauge isn't working (yet). one of many fixes on my "winter list".:)

BobPalma
10-05-2013, 07:48 AM
Unless the tank is simply swiss cheese, and I mean real swiss cheese, just take or send it to GasTankRenu and be done with it: http://www.gastankrenu.com/

They did the tank on my 1956 Clipper Super hardtop more than ten years ago and it is fine, even with some alcohol-enhanced gasoline having gone through it. Lifetime warranty on their work, too, so long as you own the car.

Really, don't waste your time or money trying to pursue a new or good used tank. Even if your existing tank has pinholes in it, they can make it do just fine. When I was at their shop in Franklin IN dropping off and picking up mine, I saw some tanks in process that you would not believe were being saved, but they were rare and the technicians said, "No problem; we repair tanks that bad all the time."

Highly recommended. :!: BP

packard352
10-05-2013, 10:56 AM
Hey Bob,

Thanks for the link... I wonder if they have approved distributors here in the UK..? I'll email them over the weekend and see what they come back with... the downside of doing this outside of the States!

BobPalma
10-05-2013, 11:17 AM
Hey Bob,

Thanks for the link... I wonder if they have approved distributors here in the UK..? I'll email them over the weekend and see what they come back with... the downside of doing this outside of the States!

Ah, the hazards of the internet, Richard; I failed to note you were not in The United States.

Nonetheless, GasTankRenu has been around long enough that if they were to ever have franchises in the UK, I would think they'd have them by now. If they do, I would stress that you employ one of them if at all possible. I believe it would save you an enormous amount of frustration, rather than trying to source a new or good used tank. :cool: BP

Pat Dilling
10-06-2013, 10:36 AM
Here's a product that will seal the sending unit gaskets. It can be purchased from Amazon if you can't find it anywhere else :http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41dzgEERpwL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Thanks Dwain and Kerry! I guess I have another winter project now too!

packard352
10-07-2013, 02:18 PM
Hi Joe and Bob P.

Thanks Bob for the GasTankRenu suggestion; I've emailed the company and am waiting for their response.

In the meantime Joe, I've received this inbound reply this afternoon... and it makes for some interesting reading - please see below, which I've copied / pasted without any editorial input:-

"Hello Richard-
Thanks for contacting Rock Valley with your gas tank concerns. We do have an original tank here for the 53-56 Studebaker which we use a pattern to fabricate our stainless steel tanks. Is your car using the original carbureted engine, etc. or is it customized? Our fabricated tanks would be designed based off the original. We also add internal baffling and set it up to accept a universal style sender for the fuel gauge (top load, 5-hole). If you need something custom, we can usually help there too! Pricing would start around $800.00 US plus shipping. Shipp ing an issue we need to discuss. We can send it via UPS overseas but, is typically pricey.
Thanks
Scott
Rock Valley 9-5 central Mon-Fri 800-344-1934 / 815-645-2271"


Now here's what I find interesting; from one conversation I had last week, I was quoted anything from 500 - 800 ($800 - $1300) for a one-off fabrication in stainless steel and an approx. one week turnaround. So, when Scott writes that its pricey at $800, I'd say that seems about right for a one-off.

However, if we (SDC / 56J Register, etc.) could garner support (Ed Reynolds and other vendors) for more than a one-off, then that figure ought to come down, depending on the price of steel, gauge, etc.

So, I don't know if Rock Valley's reply gets you a leg up on the discussions Joe, but I wanted to share their reply with you and others.

Best wishes
Richard

packard352
10-10-2013, 07:30 AM
Hi Bob,

I received a reply from Renu, who have an appointed partner in the UK and I've also received a reply from the UK-based operation.

So, in the short-term, I'll probably get the gas tank up to them and they work their magic on the tank. Turnaround is 5 - 7 days and they've partnering with Renu for 15 years, so they'll know the form!

Thanks Bob for the tip, Richard