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mmagic
08-17-2013, 09:54 PM
I'll admit to masking over difficult to remove trim on a car that was being prepped for auction and a quick flip. But on a keeper like the Speedster the trim must come off before paint. Imagine what this clip and everything around it would look like in 10 years if I hadn't !

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Corvanti
08-17-2013, 10:32 PM
good job!!! :!:

another reason not to take shortcuts - especially on "keepers"!

JoeHall
08-17-2013, 10:45 PM
Removing all the trim is a PITA, and an even bigger PITA to put it back on. Plus, each retainer costs money, and each trim piece should be cleaned, front & back. However, its the only to go with a keeper.

Picking up a car on fleabay with a fresh paint job is definitely a gamble, cause most folks think just like we do. Most any car being "flipped" has had every short cut taken that is imaginable, though they usually look good at first blush.

Looks like yours is definitely a keeper :)

Nox
08-18-2013, 03:34 AM
I always tell people NOT to buy new-painted cars, so ofcourse they buy new-painted cars... done up for one reason only: to get sold 'cause it's to much work for the ex owner.

StudeMann
08-18-2013, 04:33 AM
I always tell people NOT to buy new-painted cars, so ofcourse they buy new-painted cars... done up for one reason only: to get sold 'cause it's to much work for the ex owner.
I agree. When I bought my Land Cruiser on EBay I could see the trouble spots because the paint was old. It has turned out to have about the same amount of rust that I estimated from the extensive EBay photos. I stripped it to bare metal and just recently got it painted for my daughter's wedding next Saturday. What a lot of work but it's worth it.

Warren Webb
08-18-2013, 05:01 AM
It wouldn't hurt to paint the metal clips with POR 15 first either. More work & $$$ but in the long run well worth it.

SN-60
08-18-2013, 10:17 AM
I'll admit to masking over difficult to remove trim on a car that was being prepped for auction and a quick flip. But on a keeper like the Speedster the trim must come off before paint. Imagine what this clip and everything around it would look like in 10 years if I hadn't !

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Definitely true! On a newer car without corrosion, one may be able to get away with masking hard to remove items with better results......but when You have corrosion around moulding clips such as the one in this picture, dis-assembly is definitely required!

jackb
08-18-2013, 11:47 AM
....then there's the problem of not stripping several layers of previous 50+ years of paint. If you don't strip under the clips....you might not get them back on....!

52 Ragtop
08-18-2013, 03:03 PM
....then there's the problem of not stripping several layers of previous 50+ years of paint. If you don't strip under the clips....you might not get them back on....!

Yep, Out in LA, We painted a Bentley many, many years ago, we were the first ones who decided to strip off the paint! there were 17 paint jobs on it, enough that some of the body lines were smoothed over!
The results were unreal, and the owner never knew that it had so many body lines!

Jim

rusty65
08-18-2013, 05:48 PM
Upon looking at the title, I figured there would be a list of the 22 reasons.After I thought about it for a while it hit me-There are 22 clips that hold the side trim to each side of my Daytona.And YES I went outside and counted them.That's either coincidence, or somebody has a sense of humor!

mmagic
08-18-2013, 07:16 PM
There are 22 clips that hold the side trim to each side of my Daytona.And YES I went outside and counted them.That's either coincidence......

No coincidence. That's how many clips under the side trim that I counted on the Speedster more or less. I just concluded there were 22 opportunities for problems if I hadn't pulled the side trim. Since I plan on driving it another 58 years, I'm sure the opportunities would each materialize.

The point of the post is that looking at the trim on the outside, it buffed up as nice as new but who'd a thought it could be that bad underneath.

jbwhttail
08-18-2013, 09:16 PM
You have to paint the trim mount holes as well as the clips BEFORE assembly! Both the clip hole and clip can rust if not coated with paint. On my 56J the trim was mounted before primer and paint, once all parts aligned we removed trim and mounting clips, primed and painted. Then after all parts had been painted we assembled..... no bare metal and rust streaks, inside or out.

Plan ahead for problem areas... it pays!

Deaf Mute
08-18-2013, 09:41 PM
more "FRESH PAINT WOES". Did any of you see the photos of those big buck auction cars in Scottsdale a few years ago AFTER the tent fell on them There was some Bondo at least an inch or more thick in some of the fenders. BUYER BEWARE!

mmagic
08-18-2013, 10:02 PM
Bondo is like Oxycodone. You have to know when to stop.

1/8" is max at the deepest of spots on the deepest of repairs. I pulled the only dent on the shell of the Speedster today and believe I'm under the 1/8" rule on Bondo.

When I got into the Champ it must have had a gallon on each rear fender. They looked like they'd been in a demolition derby. Wire brushed it off and Bondo skimmed them.

Roscomacaw
08-18-2013, 10:26 PM
I agree. When I bought my Land Cruiser on EBay I could see the trouble spots because the paint was old. It has turned out to have about the same amount of rust that I estimated from the extensive EBay photos. I stripped it to bare metal and just recently got it painted for my daughter's wedding next Saturday. What a lot of work but it's worth it.

Jim - how about a photo or two of that reborn LC and it's really nice door window trim???

StudeMann
08-19-2013, 06:14 AM
Jim - how about a photo or two of that reborn LC and it's really nice door window trim???
Bob,
I am just getting around to polishing all the SS trim before re-installing it. I am installing the new glass over the next couple of days and I'll post some photos when the glass is in and the SS rockers and gravel guards are installed. BTW, the SS window trim piece you sent appears it might have been from a C or a K body. It was about 2" longer than the one from my LC. So I cut it to length and drilled new holes for mounting.

Cheers,

Jim

52 Ragtop
08-19-2013, 01:39 PM
Plastic filler was made to be used as a skim cot over the repaired metal. Unlike lead, where it could be "piled on" <G>

The whole myth about plastic filler is it cracks out, well if used improperly, it will! I've got some filler in my 52 Commander that has been there for 14+ years. It's not thick, just a skim coat.

Jim

mmagic
08-19-2013, 02:22 PM
Bondo stories... many years ago, the small construction company I worked for bought a used Ruan tractor. It was what we could afford and it looked good albeit the paint was really bad. Our shop began prepping it for paint and found cracked Bondo on the roof so they dug it out and dug and dug and dug.... At least 2 full gallons in one spot. The previous shop obviously had made no effort at all to pull the dent... just piled on the Bondo!

Nox
08-19-2013, 06:33 PM
My first US car was a -62 Valiant & one day a THICK block of plastic padding kinda jumped of the top of the front fender(!) & under there was a plate spot-welded from under that would've made a small lake if water had been poured in to it...
Then a guy who knew the previous owner said "He had his own ideas: you just pour the stuff over the whole fender, sand it even when it's dried enough & then adjust the hood & door up".
(Worked for him, but I could write a book about the troubles he poured in to that car for me to sort out...)

Warren Webb
08-19-2013, 09:38 PM
Automotive paint used today requires meticulous preparation. The days of masking moldings & the like are over unless you want to see the paint peeling around the edges after some time. This is especially true if your using a clear coat. Thirty years ago one had to struggle to get an insurance company to pay for molding R&I. Now it's automatic.