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PlainBrownR2
04-05-2013, 02:32 AM
For those of you that remember, and those of you that do not, AOAI held a car show in conjunction with the Morris air show here a few years back. We were invited to attend, including myself with the Lark, so I got to see quite a few planes. We went to the shows in 2005 and 2007. They pulled the air show soon thereafter because of fuel costs. There were a couple that stood out, not only because they were the larger bombers, but also because they had the Wright Cyclone engines in them. Well, I had forgotten a bomber. See, we did not have just one B-25 at the air show for the two years I went over there, we had two, and I didn't spot it until tonight, whoops :o. So to bring everyone up to speed, we had:

Yankee Lady (B-17G)

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/Morris%20Air%20Show%201/DSC00034_zpsf7223a28.jpg



http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/Morris%20Air%20Show%201/DSC00037_zps46c9236a.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/Morris%20Air%20Show%201/DSC00036_zpsbcca29f1.jpg


http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/Morris%20Air%20Show%201/DSC00062_zps26d272d9.jpg

Yankee Warrior (B-25D)

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/Morris%20Air%20Show%201/DSC00031_zpse2191686.jpg


...and a forgotten addition I had from the 2005 air show

Barbie III (B-25H)

This one I knew was based here but musta forgot, since it was part of the air museum at the Aurora Municipal Airport :cool:
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/Morris%20Air%20Show%201/MVC-025S_zps75f2ef15.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/Morris%20Air%20Show%201/MVC-023S_zpsd0cef1c5.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/Morris%20Air%20Show%201/MVC-022S_zps74e29905.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/Morris%20Air%20Show%201/MVC-021S_zpsc326bc72.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/Morris%20Air%20Show%201/MVC-024S_zps5995f8ea.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/Morris%20Air%20Show%201/MVC-020S_zpsbd2e6ba0.jpg


http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/Morris%20Air%20Show%201/MVC-019S_zpsfda34ced.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/Morris%20Air%20Show%201/MVC-014S_zpsb4aa4166.jpg


....and I guess for posterity's sake, I'll toss in the ever regrettable, but never forgettable incident with the Liberty Belle. I think this one only had the P&W engines in it, since it was their 5 engine testbed:

Liberty Belle (B-17G)


http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/Liberty%20Belle%20B17%20Crash%201/P1040082.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/Liberty%20Belle%20B17%20Crash%201/P1040086_zps3f655a64.jpg


There's another plane in restoration around Marengo, IL as well. I dunno if it was a B-17 or B-25, but I know it was another bomber, so I'll have to see what shakes out :cool:.......

wolfie
04-05-2013, 08:36 AM
We have a great fly-in and car show in Pickens SC this weekend.Unfortunately i have a concert in my building that day so I cant attend but thought I would throw it out there for anyone that can. Steve

63 R2 Hawk
04-05-2013, 09:45 AM
I am a lifetime contributor to the Collings Foundation and seldom miss their "Wings of Freedom Tour" when they fly into Oregon. Check their schedule on http://www.collingsfoundation.org/menu.htm Nothing like the sound of a bunch of round motors starting up or flying low overhead!!

Steve T
04-05-2013, 11:01 AM
The B-17 that became "Liberty Belle" was P&W's testbed, yes, but the four radials on her (as with all other Forts) were still Wright R1820s; the testing involved large turbines mounted in the nose. There are nice air-to-air shots of the testbed Fort flying on the turboprop alone, with all four Wrights shut down. I'm not sure whether any of the R1820s on the Fort in her service days was Studebaker-built, but I'm fairly certain one or two were Stude engines in her recent Warbird days.

Not too long ago I heard the surprising and welcome news that the Liberty Foundation now intend to rebuild "Liberty Belle" in concert with efforts to restore their other B-17 that was recovered as a wreck from Dyke Lake in Labrador a while back. If that is still the plan we may yet see the "Belle" return to flight!

S.

StudeDave57
04-05-2013, 11:18 AM
Indeed- the sound of those big round engines is nothing short of awesome.
It's fresh on my mind because (the movie) 'Memphis Belle' buzzed Mom's place just last week!!!

Here's the Liberty Belle in better days~

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w143/StudeDave/My%20Rides/SweetPeaandLibertyBelle08-1.jpg


For the record- only the B-17 used Studebaker license-built R-1820s. The B-25 used R-2600s.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w143/StudeDave/birds/IMG_1624.jpg

as seen on this little lady last Summer~
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w143/StudeDave/birds/IMG_1604.jpg






StudeDave '57 :cool:

StudeDave57
04-05-2013, 07:42 PM
Nothing like the sound of a bunch of round motors starting up or flying low overhead!!

So have you heard this news yet? http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=49289

On the one hand- it's exciting. On the other, it's very sad news...


Not too long ago I heard the surprising and welcome news that the Liberty Foundation now intend to rebuild "Liberty Belle" in concert with efforts to restore their other B-17 that was recovered as a wreck from Dyke Lake in Labrador a while back. If that is still the plan we may yet see the "Belle" return to flight! S.

This is not the same bird, but it is headed to the same place as the two you mentioned~

http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=49286

Pretty cool, eh?



StudeDave '57 :cool:

Roscomacaw
04-05-2013, 09:30 PM
Studebaker engines were also used on Lockheed PV-1 patrol bombers. My late neighbor worked at the Lockheed plant and one of his duties was to call Studebaker in Vernon to find out how many engines Stude would be sending them each day for the production of these PV-1 patrol planes.

StudeDave57
04-05-2013, 09:47 PM
Studebaker engines were also used on Lockheed PV-1 patrol bombers. My late neighbor worked at the Lockheed plant and one of his duties was to call Studebaker in Vernon to find out how many engines Stude would be sending them each day for the production of these PV-1 patrol planes.
I don't doubt that, but I'll bet they were of a different sort~
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_J47


Yes, I know the Neptune isn't on that list,
but later models did indeed use that type of jet under each wing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-2_Neptune






StudeDave '57 :cool:

JBOYLE
04-06-2013, 01:22 AM
There's another plane in restoration around Marengo, IL as well. I dunno if it was a B-17 or B-25, but I know it was another bomber, so I'll have to see what shakes out :cool:.......

I believe it's a B-17.

My hat's off to those who restore/rebuild WWII aircraft.
Coincidentally, I just came home from helping a friend restore a Stearman WWII biplane trainer.
Even a simple aircraft like that (open cockpit, fabric covered) has more parts than you could imagine.
A couple of years back I stopped by a shop that's rebuilding a B-17 in Champaign, Ohio....what an undertaking.
It makes a car restoration look easy.

PlainBrownR2
04-06-2013, 01:41 AM
I believe it's a B-17.

My hat's off to those who restore/rebuild WWII aircraft.
Coincidentally, I just came home from helping a friend restore a Stearman WWII biplane trainer.
Even a simple aircraft like that (open cockpit, fabric covered) has more parts than you could imagine.
A couple of years back I stopped by a shop that's rebuilding a B-17 in Champaign, Ohio....what an undertaking.
It makes a car restoration look easy.


Yeah, I knew it was something, because a few years ago some of our Studebaker members left the IRM Transportation Extravaganza in Union, IL, early, because there was an individual in the area who was restoring a bomber. One of these times I should go check it out myself. Just checking around the Web(now why I didn't do it earlier, lol), and I see it's the B-17E known as the "Desert Rat", under the Kellner Restoration Group. It was converted to a Boeing XC-108A cargo plane, and I think they putting it back to a B-17 again.

http://www.usaaf.com/b17/index.htm

http://www.aerovintage.com/rat-1.htm

Here's a link to a stock photo:

http://www.skytamer.com/6.1/IL/Marengo.html

They've been quite busy with it for quite a few years, but they're making progress. As far as restorations, yeah, if there's one things trains and planes have in common, especially the big ones, you don't usually see people singlehandedly restoring these things. There's a WHOLE lotta money that needs to be sunk into them to make them not only functional again, but also to make them legal. These things are usually done under group restorations, where everybody with a particular talent or talents is redoing that part of the plane. It's not that I'm downing the aircraft, but this is a very important part, and what is usually needed in both trains and planes, to make these neat historical modes of transportation, usable beyond a static display again. That's also the nice thing with our Studebakers, we don't need to meet certifications(meaning inspect them, tear them down, replacing expired materials) every X amount of years to make them roadworthy again. For most of us, once it's done, we just need to title and plate it.....maybe have it inspected for emissions as well. :cool:

StudeDave57
04-06-2013, 01:55 AM
Yes, I know the Neptune isn't on that list,
but later models did indeed use that type of jet under each wing...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-2_Neptune
StudeDave '57:cool:

You know- I just noticed that I've got my Lockheed patrol bombers mixed up.

It doesn't matter much- the PV-1 Bob mentions is powered by Pratt & Whitney R-2800s.



StudeDave '57

PlainBrownR2
04-06-2013, 02:13 AM
I'll keep an eye out for the PV-1's, Studebaker engine or none :). The ones at the top of the post are the ones that flew through the area in the past. I have a heuristic habit with some of this stuff, of sorting planes, trains, cars, etc into groups if I spot them often enough. The two of them were at the Morris air show in 2007, and then the one was at the Morris air show in 2005, and then everybody knows about the one from 2011. Due to the number of airfields(such as O'Hare, Midway, Aurora Municipal, Morris Municipal), and being in proximity to Aurora's airplane museum around here, it's a pretty active airspace, so ya never know what you're gonna get flying around here.... :woot:

JBOYLE
04-06-2013, 11:00 AM
You know- I just noticed that I've got my Lockheed patrol bombers mixed up.

That's easy to do with the large Lockheed family of twins (tails and engines):the Electra, Electra Junior, Super Electra, Lodestar, Hudson, Ventura, Harpoon, B-34/37, AT-18s, C-60s....I still have trouble keeping them straight. :)