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t walgamuth
03-05-2013, 05:36 AM
My friend Homer has the 64 Daytona wagon he bought for parts. It has disc brakes. the engine in it is from a 61. What are the chances it was originally an R-1 car? Can it be told by the serial number?

studefan
03-05-2013, 05:55 AM
Yes, if you provide the number someone will let you know.

t walgamuth
03-05-2013, 12:31 PM
Thank you!

studegary
03-05-2013, 02:24 PM
Many '63-'64 Wagonaires had optional disc brakes that were not engined with R1s or R2s.
As said, yes it can be determined - on the slim chance that it was built as an R1.

StudeRich
03-05-2013, 02:34 PM
Are there any clues like: 4 Speed, or Power Shift. or Bucket Seats, Traction Bars, Rear Stabilizer Bars, Fuel return Lines to the tank, Tachometer or Tach. with Redline, 140/160 MPH Speedo???

t walgamuth
03-05-2013, 05:40 PM
None of that stuff, just a stick with od and daytona trim.

StudeRich
03-05-2013, 06:15 PM
None of that stuff, just a stick with od and daytona trim.

In that case the chances are One in Ten Million that it has been heavily MODIFIED to remove everything! :(

t walgamuth
03-05-2013, 06:54 PM
so if you get the r1 engine you automatically get all that other stuff?

StudeRich
03-05-2013, 07:43 PM
Of course, Either the H.D. floor shift "Power Shift" Automatic or 4 Speed are required on late '63's and all '64's the '64 came with all of it and late '63's with full package also did. see this thread, post #34:

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?69410-R1-Package-car-for-sale-in-San-Francisco (http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?69410-R1-Package-car-for-sale-in-San-Francisco)

A Standard "Avanti Powered" Jet Thrust equipped (non-package, non-"Super" Lark or Hawk would have a Tach. and 140 or 160 Speedometer, Seat Belts and Carpeting added (if the model had none) all had the Cool Fuel Return Line.

t walgamuth
03-05-2013, 11:11 PM
Thanks very much! That looks to cover it. Bottom line seems to be about any combination of options might have been available but the r engined cars are more likely to have the good stuff.

avantilover
03-06-2013, 02:15 AM
Seems that they'd make anything to get a sale, get the numbers and production order to be sure.

53k
03-06-2013, 09:19 AM
Many '63-'64 Wagonaires had optional disc brakes that were not engined with R1s or R2s.
As said, yes it can be determined - on the slim chance that it was built as an R1.
Disc brakes on my 259 overdrive Wagonaire-

http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Production%20orders/Build%20Sheet.jpg