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paintim613
03-03-2013, 08:31 PM
A man who seemed to be straight forward claims he out ran a highway patrolman in ND back in the 50's in his stock '53 Commander. The next day the patrolman (who didn't give him a ticket) told him that he clocked the Stude at 138+ mph. My instincts say this is a tall tale. What do you think?

BRUCESTUDE
03-03-2013, 08:52 PM
I did 92ish in a '51 Commander when I was younger-it had the stock 3:54 rear. With a taller axle you could go faster for sure but 138 seems a little high!

jclary
03-03-2013, 09:18 PM
Well...I'd say that if he "OUT-RAN" the Patrolman...how'd he "CLOCK" the Studebaker? Although in the '50's, there were some manufacturers who offered special law enforcement engines...many agencies mainly depended on well maintained stock cars bought for what budgets would allow. There is a difference in "outrunning" and giving the law "the slip." I managed to give a "slip" or two myself by making the correct evasive turn at the right time...but never attempted to "out-run" any law enforcement.

In certain parts of the country, I could see a V8 Studebaker equipped with overdrive out pacing some law enforcement vehicles where the roads are long and straight. Heck, I recall as late as 1955 a local Constable who was still patrolling in a 1950 Plymouth powered by a flat six. Outrunning that poor guy was nothing to brag about. Outrunning his radio was another matter.

I had an uncle (RIP) who could spin a great tale. I believed his stories about getting strafed by ME109's (not PT109 as originally incorrectly typed) in north Africa during WWII. I believed his story about getting promoted to sergeant, getting drunk celebrating, wrecking the six by six by truck returning to base, and getting busted back to private in the same day. However, as to many of his stories...I would just grin.

By the way...did the "straight forward" friend claim he was in second gear overdrive? Did he mention what his gas mileage was while he was outrunning that patrolman?...I've heard those kind of stories too...and still grin.;) Who knows...I just might be the one telling them some day.:):confused::o:)

allstateguy
03-03-2013, 09:48 PM
Strafed by a PT109? You'd get mighty wet doing that, and you'd have to have been there before it got cut in half. The ONE PT109 was Jack Kennedy's boat. He might have meant ME109s? Messerschmidts that is.

jclary
03-03-2013, 09:57 PM
Yeah...its starting already:ohmy:...I guess ME109 was too much to expect my fingers to type in a straight line...wonder how fast a PT109 runs in "overdrive?":o

PackardV8
03-03-2013, 10:47 PM
told him that he clocked the Stude at 138+ mph.Total BS. The older we get, the faster we was. A stock '53 has difficulty topping 100 MPH.

jack vines

8E12T6
03-03-2013, 11:37 PM
Dad's 51 Commander; totally stock daily driver for the previous 8 or 9 years. Speedometer that came with the car when new; 90 mph 2d gear OD; 105 mph 3d gear down a slight hill. Tires had been upgraded to 7:10x15 ILO 6:70x15 IIRC so who knows how fast we were really going. I'm just glad the road was straight and not much traffic in those days. pwb

candbstudebakers
03-04-2013, 12:16 AM
[QUOTE=jclary;723951]Well...I'd say that if he "OUT-RAN" the Patrolman...how'd he "CLOCK" the Studebaker? Although in the '50's, there were some manufacturers who offered special law enforcement engines...many agencies mainly depended on well maintained stock cars bought for what budgets would allow. There is a difference in "outrunning" and giving the law "the slip." I managed to give a "slip" or two myself by making the correct evasive turn at the right time...but never attempted to "out-run" any law enforcement.

Back in the late 60's I was a working carpenter and every other day drove to work the other days I would park my old 48 ford pick up in front of my friends house and ride to the job with him, one day we got back to his house and I got into my old truck and just made a U-turn right from the curb on a 4 lane street with double yellow lines in the middle, while doing this I noticed one of the city's finest at the door of the house next door, he saw me do that any hollered something at me as he ran down to his car, I just watched as I drove away for about 3 blocks and made a right turn and then hit the gas all he saw when he got there was some smoke and a pair of long black tire tracks , the little old ford was powered by a 1957 Pontiac with a fuel injected 347 hot engine and I guess I didn't out run him either just didn't wait around for him would be better words.

plwindish
03-04-2013, 09:14 AM
An Avanti @ 138 I can believe as I had my 64 R1 to 120+ a time or two, but a 232 '53 Commander?? Highly improbable. The Loewy coupes were slippery, but I don't think the 232 had enough go-power or road to get there.

53k
03-04-2013, 09:23 AM
A man who seemed to be straight forward claims he out ran a highway patrolman in ND back in the 50's in his stock '53 Commander. The next day the patrolman (who didn't give him a ticket) told him that he clocked the Stude at 138+ mph. My instincts say this is a tall tale. What do you think?
Tall tale for sure! Even on a long down hill in OD I doubt if he could go that fast. I got my '53 Commander Starliner up to an indicated 105 (automatic with a 3.54) one time with a little boost down hill then level. However, with the speedometer error it was probably only about 95 true.

duncan1951
03-04-2013, 11:28 AM
I ahd a 1957 Corvette 327, 325 horse with 303 gears and can say I did a pretty sure 140 on a stretch of US30 in Oregon that was pretty much arrow straight. When I chickened out I noticed my steering had become a very sensitive and twitchy power steering of which this car did not have. Any faster or holding longer I am pretty sure I would have lifted off and gone for a short but eventful flight. Can't see a 232 Commander doing it.

Kurt
03-04-2013, 11:41 AM
My 51 Commander is borderline scary at speeds above 75. Maybe the old timers had more b@lls than I do.......

swvalcon
03-04-2013, 11:49 AM
It's not that they where bigger it's just as we get older we seem to think they where.

plwindish
03-04-2013, 12:53 PM
Its amazing how those brass cajones grow as the years pass. Years ago (1966-67)with a 64 Avanti, I navigated a tight s curve under a railroad overpass on 2 lane highway posted at 35 mph. I think I did the curve at 75. A buddy riding shotgun claimed it was 85 as I was paying more attention to staying on the road than looking at the speedo. As the years pass and we think about that adventure, the speed got increased about 5 mph each time we talked about it. I do remember breathing a hugh sigh of relief after getting through the curve and staying on the road. The tighty whities were probably a little soiled after that adventure.

BeeJay
03-04-2013, 01:01 PM
In 56-57 I had a 53 Commander Coupe. 232 with milled heads, 2x2 carbs, duals, and a fairly wild cam. 3 speed OD. Would indicate 120 mph, but I really doubt it. Still faster than most cars at the time.
Bob

jimmijim8
03-04-2013, 01:22 PM
Once did 115 in a 60 Lark 4 dr Regal. 2brl 259 Auto 3:31, Non P/S. dual xhaust. Fresh/complete tune up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On level paved road. Windows up. Just waxed body and all chrome. . Proper tire pressure. Healthy low mile engine/tranny. Foot off the brakes. 260 Sunoco fuel. Marvel mystery oil.+ STP. >>>>>>>>>>>>> . 115 mph. solo run with 152 lb. me. + spare tire/jack and radio,heater, and carpet/ floor mats That's all y'all. I ain't LION. cheers jimmijim

jimmijim8
03-04-2013, 01:29 PM
Once did 115 in a 60 Lark 4 dr. 2brl 259 Auto 3:31, Non P/S. duall xhaust. Fresh/complete tune up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On level paved road. Windows up. Just waxed body and all chrome. . Proper tire pressure. Healthy low mile engine/tranny. Foot off the brakes. 260 Sunoco fuel. Marvel mystery oil. STP. 115 mph. solo run. 152 lb. me. + spare tire/jack and radio. That's all y'all. I ain't LION. cheers jimmijim
It's not that they where bigger it's just as we get older we seem to think they where.

bosshoss61
03-04-2013, 04:05 PM
138+ MPH--yea--I'm thinking a lot of N2O, maybe a couple hundred boost over and above the 85-90 HP and their there..:!:

sals54
03-04-2013, 06:12 PM
Did he mention that he may have driven off the back ramp of a C-130 at the time? Lessee... 10,000 feet of elevation.... accelerating at a rate of 32 feet per second per second... uh.... that could get you close to 138 mph with that heavy 232 leading the charge all the way down to sea level, right?

2moredoors
03-04-2013, 06:57 PM
I saw a commercial for VW a few years back. They had one of their cars doing 32 ft per second per second, just as sals54 described.

62champ
03-04-2013, 08:09 PM
My Uncle has a '52 hardtop that ran a 232/3OD. Only modifications was dual exhausts and mallory ignition. Once hooked a '58 Chevy with the 348 and 3 deuces. Guy could not pull away - my Uncle could run up on him but could not pull by in the "clean air". Must be something about Studebaker 120 hp v. GM's 280 hp...

But my Uncle always claimed that the motor must have been perfect from the factory. When it was showing zero oil pressure at idle in the early '60s, it was time for a rebuild. Before they rolled it under the engine hoist he went out and outran someone else. After breaking everything down, they found out why oil pressure was so low - all the main caps other than those on the end were cracked...

candbstudebakers
03-05-2013, 01:33 AM
Back in the 60's while I was in the Navy we spent about 6 months in Dry dock in Bremerton , Washington and after we left we needed to test the catapults so we had a few old cars and went to sea to checked them out, I think we had the fastest 50 Plymouth out there 1/4 mile in about 3 sec. and it had a flat head 6 in it .

plwindish
03-05-2013, 01:17 PM
Now that catapult launch would press you into the back of the seat!

skyway
03-05-2013, 01:35 PM
"his stories about getting strafed by PT109's in north Africa during WWII"

Always heard that those PT Boats could really fly?

jclary
03-05-2013, 01:53 PM
"his stories about getting strafed by PT109's in north Africa during WWII"

Always heard that those PT Boats could really fly?

Boy...I thought I had explained that brain fart and typo:o...you guys are ruthless:(...I guess I'll go back and edit that...ugh!;)

t walgamuth
03-05-2013, 05:41 PM
Well IIRc the PT boats carried twin Packard v12s for power so its a relationship that a real stude fan would naturally make!;)

62champ
03-05-2013, 05:52 PM
yeah - if this thing couldn't make a Studebaker run over 130 mph - nothing could...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW3rFfF565c

allstateguy
03-06-2013, 08:29 AM
Boy...I thought I had explained that brain fart and typo:o...you guys are ruthless:(...I guess I'll go back and edit that...ugh!;)

I wasn't pokin at your typing John, I thought it was your UNCLE who told the PT109 tale . . .

jclary
03-06-2013, 12:14 PM
I wasn't pokin at your typing John, I thought it was your UNCLE who told the PT109 tale . . .

No offense taken:)...just decided to correct MY mental lapse. My poor uncle was a hoot to know and full of wild tales. However, it would really be unfair for me to blame my mental lapses on him.

During one of my visits a few years before he passed, he showed me a pistol the police had returned to him. He explained that they had confiscated it after he "accidentally" shot his son-in-law three times during an argument.:eek: Although he survived, I think the son-in-law became an EX-son-in-law! Hmm...wonder why?:rolleyes:

benaslopoke
03-06-2013, 11:31 PM
Total BS. The older we get, the faster we was. A stock '53 has difficulty topping 100 MPH.

jack vines

I'm sure some others will agree it was attainable.. My 53 Commander Starlite would go over 100.. 232 CID, 120 HP, with AT.. Slippery bodies = FAST !
Don't seem possible, does it??

1952stude
03-07-2013, 11:05 AM
My first stude was a 52 2dr ht v8 auto, the best i got was 95mph on a down hill slope.Sure loved that car.

jclary
03-07-2013, 11:18 AM
My first stude was a 52 2dr ht v8 auto, the best i got was 95mph on a down hill slope.Sure loved that car.

Understandable...I have been in your part of the country. "Down hill Slope" in that part of the country is a bit different than in many other places. Did you have a "head" or "tail" wind?;)

Steve L
03-07-2013, 12:05 PM
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I have no idea if the picture worked. This is my old 53' Commander with the V-8 232, 3 speed with OD, & dual exhaust. I had it up to 114 mph on at
least 4 different occasions. That's according to the Stude speedo so don't know how accurate that really was. Do know it was quick. Could stay with my
buddies 57' Chevy up to about 95 where he would start to pull ahead slowly. His would top out at 117. What a great car.

t walgamuth
03-07-2013, 12:09 PM
My dad had a 53 hardtop with the scallop on the side painted a different color like that. I remember it was a sort of teal grean and ivory but cannot remember how the colors were arranged. I think it must have been like yours but with the top dark. Loved that car.

tbredehoft
03-07-2013, 04:07 PM
My bone stock (though modern) '53 Commander Starlite, with 232, two barrel and duals, decided to run once, coming home from Michigan. As we approached the Ohio line, it just took off. It got up to 90 and still climbing when the state line appeared in the distance. I backed off, not knowing what was lurking up ahead. It might have made it to 100 but there's no way to know. Radial tires and the Speedo is accurate with in one at 60 mph.

benaslopoke
03-07-2013, 09:52 PM
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I have no idea if the picture worked. This is my old 53' Commander with the V-8 232, 3 speed with OD, & dual exhaust. I had it up to 114 mph on at
least 4 different occasions. That's according to the Stude speedo so don't know how accurate that really was. Do know it was quick. Could stay with my
buddies 57' Chevy up to about 95 where he would start to pull ahead slowly. His would top out at 117. What a great car.

Seems that was a standard routine in the way your car was painted,, i.e. moon disc and painting the cove.. Mine was light biege with a red cove.. No that's not mine unless it's got a 331 Caddie under the hood..

Corvanti
03-07-2013, 10:06 PM
since the '51 (6 cyl/automatic) came to me without the speedometer working, and i passed everything quickly once i got up to speed, on the 55 mph speed limit - 4 lane US 421 last week, i think i was doing at least 80 mph, maybe much more... :lol:

it also took me a long time to stop! :rolleyes: