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TMAN0950
03-01-2013, 07:54 AM
I took my truck for a drive yesterday to a friends21750had a good time. Any way he has a 1963 Cruiser that has a sun roof and he said it was a R-1 car but no engine in it now. I did look under it and it does have disc brakes. The vin 63V11136, how rare is this car. The car would need a full restore. If anyone is interested I would pass along the info.

JDP
03-01-2013, 07:59 AM
Here's the engine

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/archive/index.php?t-59234.html (http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/archive/index.php?t-59234.html)

TMAN0950
03-01-2013, 08:21 AM
That is strange. About a year a go I bought this Same R-1 from my friend. It was in a pile of other old engines. I didn't even know he had that Cruiser at that time. Well I rebuilt the engine and it is waiting to go into my 62 Hawk. 21751

8E45E
03-01-2013, 08:27 AM
I took my truck for a drive yesterday to a friends21750had a good time. Any way he has a 1963 Cruiser that has a sun roof and he said it was a R-1 car but no engine in it now. I did look under it and it does have disc brakes. The vin 63V11136, how rare is this car? The car would need a full restore. If anyone is interested I would pass along the info.

Most likely "1 of 1" when you break the numberes down. I'd change my plans of putting that engine in the '62 Hawk and start restoring that '63 Cruiser!

Craig

jclary
03-01-2013, 08:29 AM
That is strange. About a year a go I bought this Same R-1 from my friend. It was in a pile of other old engines. I didn't even know he had that Cruiser at that time. Well I rebuilt the engine and it is waiting to go into my 62 Hawk. 21751

So...here's your chance to buy and restore the Cruiser to its former glory...install another engine in the Hawk and increase your fleet of cool cars.:!:

Sometimes a little bit of premature senility (keeping you from connecting the dots) can be beneficial. However...act quick before it overwhelms you!:eek:

DieselJim
03-01-2013, 08:44 AM
I bought that car in '78 in South Bend. Towed a 'pick up bed trailer' with stuff when we made our move to Arizona. Used it for Grand Canyon SDC functions. Pulled the R1 and installed it in a 64 GT that I bought fron the party that has the Cruser. Sold the Cruser him guess about 25 years ago. A couple of years after noving back to South Bend, I pulled the R1 out of the 64 and a 259 in it when I sold it. The engine was loaded on a flat bed and found it's way back to Arizona. It was in a pick up for a while. Drove it for a spell on our way to York. That was many years ago. "O" the memorys.

DieselJim
03-01-2013, 08:54 AM
That is strange. About a year a go I bought this Same R-1 from my friend. It was in a pile of other old engines. I didn't even know he had that Cruiser at that time. Well I rebuilt the engine and it is waiting to go into my 62 Hawk. 21751

If it is the same engine, I had put hard exhaust valve seats in it.

TMAN0950
03-01-2013, 10:01 AM
Wow, Studebakers never die, they just keep moving around. Any info on the Cruiser you can shair, here is the engine as I got it. It is now 30 over and all new.2175221753

candbstudebakers
03-01-2013, 10:39 AM
I bought that car in '78 in South Bend. Towed a 'pick up bed trailer' with stuff when we made our move to Arizona. Used it for Grand Canyon SDC functions. Pulled the R1 and installed it in a 64 GT that I bought fron the party that has the Cruser. Sold the Cruser him guess about 25 years ago. A couple of years after noving back to South Bend, I pulled the R1 out of the 64 and a 259 in it when I sold it. The engine was loaded on a flat bed and found it's way back to Arizona. It was in a pick up for a while. Drove it for a spell on our way to York. That was many years ago. "O" the memorys.

Dieseljim, what happened to the 64 hawk with the 259? was it an early 259 or a late full flow? did it by any chance go to Oregon? and what color was it? if this match I might just have ended up with that 64 a few years ago.

DieselJim
03-01-2013, 12:36 PM
Dieseljim, what happened to the 64 hawk with the 259? was it an early 259 or a late full flow? did it by any chance go to Oregon? and what color was it? if this match I might just have ended up with that 64 a few years ago.

It stayed in Indiana. Engine was full flow. Color was Moonlite Silver. Sold it around '94

DieselJim
03-01-2013, 12:44 PM
Wow, Studebakers never die, they just keep moving around. Any info on the Cruiser you can shair, here is the engine as I got it. It is now 30 over and all new.2175221753

Was told by Dave at SASCO that there only 2 63 Crusers Sky Tops made. It also had red velour interior. R1, heavy duty auto with a 27 axel. Changed spider gears a couple of times.

studegary
03-01-2013, 02:37 PM
Was told by Dave at SASCO that there only 2 63 Crusers Sky Tops made. It also had red velour interior. R1, heavy duty auto with a 27 axel. Changed spider gears a couple of times.

I can't imagine that a 27 axle is what it originally was equipped with.

8E45E
03-01-2013, 02:57 PM
Was told by Dave at SASCO that there only 2 63 Crusers Sky Tops made. It also had red velour interior. R1, heavy duty auto with a 27 axel. Changed spider gears a couple of times.

I wonder if that "velour" was actually broadcloth. The Bell's have a nice R1 Cruiser in Rose Mist with that interior.

Craig

DieselJim
03-01-2013, 08:50 PM
My father-in law purcased 4 cars somewhere around Fort Wayne In. around 75-76. The Cruiser sky top, R1 auto, a full package 63 R2-4 speed GT, a 63 wagon, 6, auto and a 64 Cruiser full package R1, power shift, AM-FM radio. The wagon went to Komoko In. The 2 package cars went to Granger In. where they got parted out. Bill McDowel ended up with the complete 64 Cruiser running gear. And I got the Sky top, Could have had any one of them.

PlainBrownR2
03-01-2013, 09:12 PM
Was told by Dave at SASCO that there only 2 63 Crusers Sky Tops made. It also had red velour interior. R1, heavy duty auto with a 27 axel. Changed spider gears a couple of times.


I knew that you could get whatever you wanted from Studebaker, but that threw me through a loop when I found that under my Daytona. The '55 Commander had a 259/3 speed with a Dana 44. The '64 Commander started out(as far as I know) with a 170 six cylinder/Flightomatic and a Dana 44. The '63 Daytona had a 259/Flightomatic and a Dana 23! I looked under there and it looked like a step backwards when I saw the smaller axle, axle tubes, and casting on the rear axle! Either somebody had a very light foot, or this rear axle has been serviced a few times for wiped out gears! :eek:

irish
03-01-2013, 11:02 PM
ALL Studebaker 289's and the 'R' engines came equipped with a Dana 44, it wasn't an option. The 259 came with the model 27. 259 equipped wagons, HD models, etc also came with the Dana 44. The Dana 44 could be ordered instead of the Dana 27, but not the other way around.

Joe


Was told by Dave at SASCO that there only 2 63 Crusers Sky Tops made. It also had red velour interior. R1, heavy duty auto with a 27 axel. Changed spider gears a couple of times.

DieselJim
03-01-2013, 11:16 PM
ALL Studebaker 289's and the 'R' engines came equipped with a Dana 44, it wasn't an option. The 259 came with the model 27. 259 equipped wagons, HD models, etc also came with the Dana 44. The Dana 44 could be ordered instead of the Dana 27, but not the other way around.

Joe

It was on the build sheet. Getting close to the end, they most likely were using what they had.

TMAN0950
03-02-2013, 08:06 AM
DieselJim, do you have any pictures of the Cruiser from when you had it? And the big question is, is the car worth restoring?

8E45E
03-02-2013, 08:32 AM
DieselJim, do you have any pictures of the Cruiser from when you had it? And the big question is, is the car worth restoring?

Being an R1 and a Skytop, most definitely!!

James & Stephanie, owner of this one would certainly agree!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8095/8520517407_a99c78a39a_h.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8247/8521582340_0e879de9e7_h.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2082/2534862283_09f2655eee_b.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2243/2534863495_247dc342cf_b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8370/8520498711_0db1e98df5_h.jpg
Craig

DieselJim
03-02-2013, 08:46 AM
DieselJim, do you have any pictures of the Cruiser from when you had it? And the big question is, is the car worth restoring?

Might have somewhere. The car was black. I painted it white. I remember putting a little bondo in the lower front fenders and right rocker pannel. The floors and trunk were ok. It had wind noise like a convertable on the road.

r1lark
03-02-2013, 09:52 AM
I wonder if that "velour" was actually broadcloth. The Bell's have a nice R1 Cruiser in Rose Mist with that interior.

Craig
Yes, according to the Production Order research done by Bill Pressler on the Avanti-powered Skytop cars, it did have a Broadcloth interior:
63V11136 -- R1 engine; Cruiser; Velvet Black w/White Skytop; Red Broadcloth Trim; HD Flightomatic; Other Options: TT, PDB; Destination: Cincinnati OH

8E45E
03-02-2013, 10:00 AM
Yes, according to the Production Order research done by Bill Pressler on the Avanti-powered Skytop cars, it did have a Broadcloth interior:
63V11136 -- R1 engine; Cruiser; Velvet Black w/White Skytop; Red Broadcloth Trim; HD Flightomatic; Other Options: TT, PDB; Destination: Cincinnati OH

Nice to know!! Broadcloth in a '63 Cruiser is very unique, with a pattern unlike any other 1963 offering. Herre is one in the Chestnut color:
http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?9765-Broadcloth-Upholstery&highlight=broadcloth

Craig

r1lark
03-02-2013, 10:19 AM
Nice to know!! Broadcloth in a '63 Cruiser is very unique, with a pattern unlike any other 1963 offering. Herre is one in the Chestnut color:
http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?9765-Broadcloth-Upholstery&highlight=broadcloth

Craig
Wow, what a beautiful interior Craig! Very luxurious, harking back to the more expensive cars of the '30s and '40s.

studegary
03-02-2013, 09:30 PM
Wow! That Bell '63 Cruiser is a nice car. It looks very close to being original or a correct restoration.

irish
03-03-2013, 01:40 AM
It's obviously a rare and desirable car, if you have the opportunity to return the original engine to the car and restore it, it would be a shame to miss that opportunity. Just my two cents.

Joe

DieselJim
03-03-2013, 06:12 PM
Dieseljim, what happened to the 64 hawk with the 259? was it an early 259 or a late full flow? did it by any chance go to Oregon? and what color was it? if this match I might just have ended up with that 64 a few years ago.

Body # 202. Think the serial # was 63v719

DieselJim
03-03-2013, 06:27 PM
More memorys. While my father-in law was visiting us in Arizona in the late '70, I took him to Mesa for the Friday nite cruse. The route was Maricopa Road, I10, Supersition Free Way exiting on Country Club Drive behind a sharp Mustang. He nailed it leaving only to stop for the next light. Light changer as I rolled up, in low. Got half a car link on him. About 45 as I shifted drive he floated his valves. Short distance was a construction area down to one lane. When we came out he blasted by only to slow down. As we pulled beside he ask" what kind of a car is that". Dad said Studebaker. His reply " oh sh**t, no wonder.

StudeDave57
03-04-2013, 03:03 AM
Wow! That Bell '63 Cruiser is a nice car. It looks very close to being original or a correct restoration.
Indeed- that is a very nice ride that was once a DAILY DRIVER!!! :eek: :!: :D No bias mind you~
my Dad and my Brother have both turned wrenches on and under said car... ;)

(not to mention that I have seen said car often, as I have been known to 'work' at the Bell's Place when they need it.)
:ohmy: :rolleyes: :eek: :!:

TMAN0950
03-04-2013, 07:19 PM
Hi DieselJim, Would you happen to have the built sheet for that Criuser? I am trying to decide if I should buy this car. After 25 years setting outside it is very bad shape. The dash and door panels is what worry me the most. I feel I am the only one to bring this car back and save it because I have the engine. Thanks for any more info you may have. Terry

DieselJim
03-05-2013, 02:55 AM
Hi DieselJim, Would you happen to have the built sheet for that Criuser? I am trying to decide if I should buy this car. After 25 years setting outside it is very bad shape. The dash and door panels is what worry me the most. I feel I am the only one to bring this car back and save it because I have the engine. Thanks for any more info you may have. Terry

If I do, I have no idea where it would be. Check with Will Sander, "Starlite Studebaker" for interior. They got all the interior from SASCO. I think there were 7 semi loads. They are slow to respond as they are full time teachers. Car also had a tac.

showbizkid
03-05-2013, 04:00 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2306/2142732518_e27ab4892c_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2164/2141942483_ede4da07c2_b.jpg

Just cross-posting Craig's photos for reference here... that may be the most beautiful modern interior I've ever seen on a Studebaker! Looks like something you'd expect in a Cadillac! :ohmy:

avantilover
03-05-2013, 04:49 AM
Hi DieselJim, Would you happen to have the built sheet for that Criuser? I am trying to decide if I should buy this car. After 25 years setting outside it is very bad shape. The dash and door panels is what worry me the most. I feel I am the only one to bring this car back and save it because I have the engine. Thanks for any more info you may have. Terry

I would think it'd be good to restore such a rare vehicle - what is the asking price?

t walgamuth
03-05-2013, 05:34 AM
That is a sumptious looking interior. I love the color of the outside paint too!


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2306/2142732518_e27ab4892c_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2164/2141942483_ede4da07c2_b.jpg

Just cross-posting Craig's photos for reference here... that may be the most beautiful modern interior I've ever seen on a Studebaker! Looks like something you'd expect in a Cadillac! :ohmy:

TMAN0950
03-05-2013, 06:45 AM
I don't know what he wants for it, I plan to go there within the next two days. When he showed me the car I didn't know I had the engine so I didn't look it over that well. He told me that someone should restore that car because it was very rare. I don't think he would want that much for it, it is the cost to restore that worries me and can I get all the parts. Body parts, engine ect. no problem, but the inside looks like that may be a problem. I will let you all know how it turns out. At the lease I will get some pictures this time.

8E45E
03-05-2013, 07:17 AM
Body parts, engine ect. no problem, but the inside looks like that may be a problem. I will let you all know how it turns out. At the lease I will get some pictures this time.

As a material, broadcloth is available in several colors. Many luxury cars used it over the years, and there is a relatively good sized market for it.

Craig

DieselJim
03-05-2013, 07:38 AM
I don't know what he wants for it, I plan to go there within the next two days. When he showed me the car I didn't know I had the engine so I didn't look it over that well. He told me that someone should restore that car because it was very rare. I don't think he would want that much for it, it is the cost to restore that worries me and can I get all the parts. Body parts, engine ect. no problem, but the inside looks like that may be a problem. I will let you all know how it turns out. At the lease I will get some pictures this time.

I did put NOS seat covers on it. The front seats were reclining. Check your pm

TMAN0950
03-06-2013, 06:17 PM
OK, I did it I bought the Cruiser. See what I have got into.219022190321904219052190621907

8E45E
03-06-2013, 06:23 PM
OK, I did it I bought the Cruiser. See what I have got into.

EXCELLENT WORK!! Looking at the photos, that car appears to have a solid body. I feel you made the right choice in saving it!

Craig

jclary
03-06-2013, 06:33 PM
After looking at the photos...just wondering...how many places in the country could a car be left out in the elements like this...and nothing be left over ankle high in a matter of months!:woot:

Thank God for the arid west!:)

qsanford
03-07-2013, 05:58 PM
That is a very worthy car to restore! Good luck with it!

qsanford
03-09-2013, 09:38 PM
Terry, Private Message sent.

drew72mgb
03-11-2013, 04:10 PM
EXCELLENT WORK!! Looking at the photos, that car appears to have a solid body. I feel you made the right choice in saving it!

Craig

I gotta agree with the others

Gonna be a lot of work - but should be worth it , in the end.

I grew up with a 1963 Lark Daytona R-1 hardtop w/ skytop - now residing "down-under"

You also have to wonder at the odds of the pieces all coming back together over the years - and ending up back together - that ALONE would make a story!

Drew

rkapteyn
11-29-2014, 11:12 AM
I have a 1963 Cruiser Super Lark that needs saving.
i am 78 years old and can not work on cars anymore.
It has the full package but was stripped of the engine and brake booster ,doors etc.
It is in very sad shape but has the twin track and disk brakes and the special disk brake wheels only used in 1963

I will sell it cheap to some energetic person that will restore it.
I have a six cylinder parts car to go with it with a very good doghouse and body.
I have full flow V8 blocks with pistons and just about everything new to built an engine.
Robert Kapteyn

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