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mbstude
08-17-2007, 06:05 PM
Oh ok. I just know that Nollie had a GH 400 up until a short time ago, and it needed restoration. I hope you restore yours as good as new. A 400 deserves to be restored, especially one of the original show cars. Good luck with it.

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

mbstude
08-17-2007, 06:05 PM
Oh ok. I just know that Nollie had a GH 400 up until a short time ago, and it needed restoration. I hope you restore yours as good as new. A 400 deserves to be restored, especially one of the original show cars. Good luck with it.

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

super1hawk
08-17-2007, 06:31 PM
I am lucky enough to own golden hawk 400 sn 6102850 factory order number 45501. This is number 8 of the 10 show cars. It is in need of restoration. I need some advice on what the price of my unrestored car is worth vs what it would be worth finished #1 or high #2. I got the order sheet sent to me and It is really neat with an extra page of instructions to have special trim 21 pkg, power windows,pwr seats and so on with many things supplied by engineering.
My car needs total restoration but is not a basket case, just lots of work. Any more info or perspectives is gladly requested. Thanks

mbstude
08-17-2007, 06:35 PM
I don't know much about value, but I'm just curious, is this Nollie Hinton's old car? :)

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

mbstude
08-17-2007, 06:35 PM
I don't know much about value, but I'm just curious, is this Nollie Hinton's old car? :)

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

Allan Songer
08-17-2007, 06:36 PM
The amount of time and money you will spend doing a #1 restoration as opposed to a "high #2" might be the deal breaker--unless you can do MOST of the work yourself, no Studebaker--even something as rare and cool as a GH 400 will be worth what you have in it--you could EASILY spend $30,000 on a #1 restoration, maybe A LOT more. I mean, a really nice show quality paint job is TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS these days! And have you priced having all of your chrome redone? And all of that LEATHER? You could have 20 grand in paint, interior and chrome ALONE--before you do ANYTHING mechanical!

What would it be worth? I dunno, maybe 20-25K as a solid #2 and ten grand more for a #1. Maybe more on the right day to the right buyer on ebay?

Allan Songer
08-17-2007, 06:36 PM
The amount of time and money you will spend doing a #1 restoration as opposed to a "high #2" might be the deal breaker--unless you can do MOST of the work yourself, no Studebaker--even something as rare and cool as a GH 400 will be worth what you have in it--you could EASILY spend $30,000 on a #1 restoration, maybe A LOT more. I mean, a really nice show quality paint job is TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS these days! And have you priced having all of your chrome redone? And all of that LEATHER? You could have 20 grand in paint, interior and chrome ALONE--before you do ANYTHING mechanical!

What would it be worth? I dunno, maybe 20-25K as a solid #2 and ten grand more for a #1. Maybe more on the right day to the right buyer on ebay?

super1hawk
08-17-2007, 06:43 PM
I got the car in murfreesboro over 20 years ago and did not know what I had until I noticed the white grille scoops, padded dash, pwr windows and sent in the sn for build sheet and man was I surprised. I don't know nollie.

super1hawk
08-17-2007, 06:43 PM
I got the car in murfreesboro over 20 years ago and did not know what I had until I noticed the white grille scoops, padded dash, pwr windows and sent in the sn for build sheet and man was I surprised. I don't know nollie.

JDP
08-17-2007, 08:24 PM
I sold the "Dirty Bird" 57 Golden Hawk on ebay about 8 years ago for 25K, but I was 22K in the car with maybe 600-1000 hours of labor. She just resold last year for 37K, so a 400 done right could be in the 40-50K range. here's the Dirty Bird:


http://stude.com/dirtybird.jpg

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
08-17-2007, 08:24 PM
I sold the "Dirty Bird" 57 Golden Hawk on ebay about 8 years ago for 25K, but I was 22K in the car with maybe 600-1000 hours of labor. She just resold last year for 37K, so a 400 done right could be in the 40-50K range. here's the Dirty Bird:


http://stude.com/dirtybird.jpg

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

StudeDave57
08-17-2007, 09:04 PM
The time germlins have jacked this thread all up, now haven't they?

I hate that!!!

OPPS!!! I forgot to mention-
According to some folks here~ your Hawk is worth more then all six of mine put together. And I suppose they might be right~ it's one rare bird!!! Any other comments would only get me into trouble... ;) [:0] :( [V]



StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

edited to include what I left out the first time 'round... :( [V]

StudeDave57
08-17-2007, 09:04 PM
The time germlins have jacked this thread all up, now haven't they?

I hate that!!!

OPPS!!! I forgot to mention-
According to some folks here~ your Hawk is worth more then all six of mine put together. And I suppose they might be right~ it's one rare bird!!! Any other comments would only get me into trouble... ;) [:0] :( [V]



StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

edited to include what I left out the first time 'round... :( [V]

8E45E
08-17-2007, 09:29 PM
quote:Originally posted by super1hawk

I am lucky enough to own golden hawk 400 sn 6102850 factory order number 45501. This is number 8 of the 10 show cars. It is in need of restoration. I need some advice on what the price of my unrestored car is worth vs what it would be worth finished #1 or high #2. I got the order sheet sent to me and It is really neat with an extra page of instructions to have special trim 21 pkg, power windows,pwr seats and so on with many things supplied by engineering.
My car needs total restoration but is not a basket case, just lots of work. Any more info or perspectives is gladly requested. Thanks


That is definitely a car worth restoring, especially since its a documented as a 'show car' 400.

I posted this previously, but here it is again.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/161/402026477_004fb77e27_b.jpg


Craig

8E45E
08-17-2007, 09:29 PM
quote:Originally posted by super1hawk

I am lucky enough to own golden hawk 400 sn 6102850 factory order number 45501. This is number 8 of the 10 show cars. It is in need of restoration. I need some advice on what the price of my unrestored car is worth vs what it would be worth finished #1 or high #2. I got the order sheet sent to me and It is really neat with an extra page of instructions to have special trim 21 pkg, power windows,pwr seats and so on with many things supplied by engineering.
My car needs total restoration but is not a basket case, just lots of work. Any more info or perspectives is gladly requested. Thanks


That is definitely a car worth restoring, especially since its a documented as a 'show car' 400.

I posted this previously, but here it is again.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/161/402026477_004fb77e27_b.jpg


Craig

big jim
08-18-2007, 11:34 PM
You are indeed fortunate to have found this extremely desirable Hawk.If I can make this photobucket work I'll post the orignal dealer introduction letter..Good luck in your restoration efforts.JGhttp://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i12/bigjim13/8-15-07.jpg

big jim
08-18-2007, 11:34 PM
You are indeed fortunate to have found this extremely desirable Hawk.If I can make this photobucket work I'll post the orignal dealer introduction letter..Good luck in your restoration efforts.JGhttp://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i12/bigjim13/8-15-07.jpg

8E45E
08-19-2007, 02:49 AM
quote:Originally posted by big jim

You are indeed fortunate to have found this extremely desirable Hawk.If I can make this photobucket work I'll post the orignal dealer introduction letter..Good luck in your restoration efforts.JG


How interesting!! First time I actually seen it in writing about the side scoops being painted the accent color along with the fins. Here is the back of that same postcard, which I believe was the only piece of showroom literature printed on the GH 400.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/186/402026482_6c13c337d5.jpg?v=0


Craig

8E45E
08-19-2007, 02:49 AM
quote:Originally posted by big jim

You are indeed fortunate to have found this extremely desirable Hawk.If I can make this photobucket work I'll post the orignal dealer introduction letter..Good luck in your restoration efforts.JG


How interesting!! First time I actually seen it in writing about the side scoops being painted the accent color along with the fins. Here is the back of that same postcard, which I believe was the only piece of showroom literature printed on the GH 400.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/186/402026482_6c13c337d5.jpg?v=0


Craig

Kdancy
08-19-2007, 11:24 AM
I'm willing to bet a proper full frame off restoration will be more like 40,000. Good chrome work has gone sky high and every nut and bolt will
need replacing or refurbishing + the time to do all this. But if you have the money, that car is really worth doing right.

53commander HDTP
53 Champion HDTP
61 Cursed Purple Hawk
64 Champ long bed V8

Kdancy
08-19-2007, 11:24 AM
I'm willing to bet a proper full frame off restoration will be more like 40,000. Good chrome work has gone sky high and every nut and bolt will
need replacing or refurbishing + the time to do all this. But if you have the money, that car is really worth doing right.

53commander HDTP
53 Champion HDTP
61 Cursed Purple Hawk
64 Champ long bed V8

studegary
08-19-2007, 12:07 PM
Back to the original question. With the limited information to go on, I would guesstimate the current value at $5000 to $15,000. Restored, I would guesstimate the value at $35,000 in very high no. 2 conditon and $45,000-$50,000 in true no. 1 condition. I do not think that there would be any profit in having a correct restoration done, but I sure would like to see the car restored. With nearly all Studebakers, you do the restoration because you want to.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
08-19-2007, 12:07 PM
Back to the original question. With the limited information to go on, I would guesstimate the current value at $5000 to $15,000. Restored, I would guesstimate the value at $35,000 in very high no. 2 conditon and $45,000-$50,000 in true no. 1 condition. I do not think that there would be any profit in having a correct restoration done, but I sure would like to see the car restored. With nearly all Studebakers, you do the restoration because you want to.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

53k
08-19-2007, 01:13 PM
quote:How interesting!! First time I actually seen it in writing about the side scoops being painted the accent color along with the fins. Here is the back of that same postcard, which I believe was the only piece of showroom literature printed on the GH 400.

Some years ago a friend showed me what I remember as a postcard with a front angle view of the exterior of a 400. Next time I see him I'll ask if he can still find it and see if it is different.
In 1969 when I belonged to the Sequoia Chapter (SF Bay Area), one of our members responded to a local classified ad for a '57 Studebaker Hawk, went to see it and drove home a 400 for $350. He parked it in his garage where it gradually got covered up with parts and so on. It finally surfaced several years ago when his son listed in TW


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'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

53k
08-19-2007, 01:13 PM
quote:How interesting!! First time I actually seen it in writing about the side scoops being painted the accent color along with the fins. Here is the back of that same postcard, which I believe was the only piece of showroom literature printed on the GH 400.

Some years ago a friend showed me what I remember as a postcard with a front angle view of the exterior of a 400. Next time I see him I'll ask if he can still find it and see if it is different.
In 1969 when I belonged to the Sequoia Chapter (SF Bay Area), one of our members responded to a local classified ad for a '57 Studebaker Hawk, went to see it and drove home a 400 for $350. He parked it in his garage where it gradually got covered up with parts and so on. It finally surfaced several years ago when his son listed in TW


[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine