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Roscomacaw
12-27-2012, 07:28 PM
The '64 R1 Hawk that I recently bought is getting a soak job currently. I've filled the cylinders with diesel fuel and left the stuff to penetrate and leak thru. I've ordered some gaskets for it and hope to get the heads and other stuff back on in the weeks to come.
My aim is to get it to where it'll go and stop - tho not in roadworthy fashion. I just want it to be self-motivating for ease of loading and transport. Once that threshold's been reached, it's gonna go to ebay in hopes of finding a loving home and future.

I gotta say, while I'm not usually a Hawk kinda guy, this thing has started to call to me. A couple of mornings I've gone out to get the paper and the Hawk was sitting wet from an overnight drizzle. It's looking too good! It's gotta go before I get some stupid notion I could do something with it - which I can't. Heck, I can't finish what I've got already.

I did find the engraved glovebox tag saying: Gran Turismo Hawk built expressly for Guy H. Campbell. According to the PO, the car was sold new in Porterville, CA. Then the PO's mom bought the car off a Porterville used car lot in '67. I imagine a production order might give credence to these points, but since I'm not going to keep the car I'll let it's next owner invest in it's history.:D

candbstudebakers
12-27-2012, 08:23 PM
Ya Bob I can hear the 64 calling to you when you go get the paper and it keeps saying green backs, green backs, flipper, flipper, but to each his own, ya finish what you have started or at least drive the convert now and then.

PackardV8
12-27-2012, 09:54 PM
Of all the Studes for which I'd try desperately to find room, a '64 R1 GT would be in the top five. It may be the ne plus ultra of the Lowey/Burke/Stevens synergy. I don't think I'd ever get tired of looking at one or driving one.

jack vines

BobPalma
12-27-2012, 10:00 PM
Bob, I've lost track of the engine situation in this car. Were the threads pulled out of one head bolt hole or ??? I remember your describing some reason it was left dismantled, and wondered how you were doing with that "issue." :confused: BP

StudeRich
12-27-2012, 10:03 PM
Yep, me too. If I found one like that in good shape with a decent deck Lid for cheap, I would not be able to let it go.

These are Studebaker's crowning achievement of ALL when it comes to a great driving car, they are also the best of the '53 to '64 C & K line of cars. :!: When it comes to STYLING, the '54 Starliner has a slight edge, but not for driveability.

Milaca
12-27-2012, 11:40 PM
Guy Campbell....probably Glenn Campbell's uncle. ;)

Roscomacaw
12-28-2012, 01:07 PM
Indeed, I did procure this Hawk on porpoise - that is, as a Flipper. I would LOVE to keep it - massage it - drive it across the country, taking only two-lanes as I go. But not having a fat-paying govt. job to have retired from, I'm still grabbing for the odd buck that shows itself now and then.
I've revived (restored, if you will) about 5 or 6 Studes thru the years. CASO enough to start with derelict examples and deluding myself into thinking I was being savvy in doing so. Add to that that the majority of them were models that I knew would never pay back what they soaked up.
There've been years I spent many off hours pulling and selling Stude parts out of wrecking yards - I shamefully admit, I did it cause there was a profit motive. The fact that I had a good idea of what was rare and desirable off of Studes ( a talent only gained by dealing in parts for years) helped me to not save stuff that would still be with me some 20-some years later. Had I seen no profit motive in this Hawk, it wouldn't be in my driveway. In fact, I only learned of this car because the fella that told me about it had decided he wasn't up to doing what it would take to put it back on it's feet. And there's a sort of irony to that point...

About 10 years ago, I found a '64 Hawk sitting forelorn and forgotton. It was just about the MOST optioned GT Hawk I'd ever seen - shy of being a Super Hawk. It was in nicer overall shape than this one I just bought - and I just now recalled that it was for sale for just about the same money. Anyway, I knew this fella (the one who told me of this latest Hawk) had the hots for a '64 Hawk. So I put him onto it. Heck, I even provided truck and trailer to take it to his house!
Well, I don't say what I'm about to with ANY intent of it reflecting badly on him 'cause I've done such things myself thru the years - but he didn't do anything with that Hawk. In fact, what he did do had really detrimental results. In fact, the next time I was that car, my heart sank. But it was HIS car and HIS choice to treat it like that.
Anyway, over lunch on the day we went to look at this Super Hawk, we laughed at the irony of me having led HIM to a '64 Hawk for sale and he returning the favor some ten or so years later. He doesn't know nor expect it, but I plan to give him a finders fee if I can move this thing for a profit of note.

evilhawk
12-28-2012, 02:18 PM
Do you have pictures of the Super Hawk? I would love to see it.

8E45E
12-28-2012, 02:25 PM
Do you have pictures of the Super Hawk? I would love to see it.

He posted LOTS here: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?67203-Funny-how-Studes-find-me-Now-with-PICS!!!

Craig

candbstudebakers
12-28-2012, 05:55 PM
Indeed, I did procure this Hawk on porpoise - that is, as a Flipper. I would LOVE to keep it - massage it - drive it across the country, taking only two-lanes as I go. But not having a fat-paying govt. job to have retired from, I'm still grabbing for the odd buck that shows itself now and then.
I've revived (restored, if you will) about 5 or 6 Studes thru the years. CASO enough to start with derelict examples and deluding myself into thinking I was being savvy in doing so. Add to that that the majority of them were models that I knew would never pay back what they soaked up.
There've been years I spent many off hours pulling and selling Stude parts out of wrecking yards - I shamefully admit, I did it cause there was a profit motive. The fact that I had a good idea of what was rare and desirable off of Studes ( a talent only gained by dealing in parts for years) helped me to not save stuff that would still be with me some 20-some years later. Had I seen no profit motive in this Hawk, it wouldn't be in my driveway. In fact, I only learned of this car because the fella that told me about it had decided he wasn't up to doing what it would take to put it back on it's feet. And there's a sort of irony to that point...

About 10 years ago, I found a '64 Hawk sitting forelorn and forgotton. It was just about the MOST optioned GT Hawk I'd ever seen - shy of being a Super Hawk. It was in nicer overall shape than this one I just bought - and I just now recalled that it was for sale for just about the same money. Anyway, I knew this fella (the one who told me of this latest Hawk) had the hots for a '64 Hawk. So I put him onto it. Heck, I even provided truck and trailer to take it to his house!
Well, I don't say what I'm about to with ANY intent of it reflecting badly on him 'cause I've done such things myself thru the years - but he didn't do anything with that Hawk. In fact, what he did do had really detrimental results. In fact, the next time I was that car, my heart sank. But it was HIS car and HIS choice to treat it like that.
Anyway, over lunch on the day we went to look at this Super Hawk, we laughed at the irony of me having led HIM to a '64 Hawk for sale and he returning the favor some ten or so years later. He doesn't know nor expect it, but I plan to give him a finders fee if I can move this thing for a profit of note.

Bob if I remember right I ended up with at hawk along with some others of his, I have had so many just can't remember every one, but I think I did end up with it AM?FM radio and all.

Roscomacaw
12-28-2012, 06:08 PM
Thats correct.

Roscomacaw
12-31-2012, 01:29 PM
Well, yesterday I cut and ripped all the old carpeting out of 64V-1212. The ragged remnants weren't worth saving and were holding moisture - not a good thing for steel floorboards. There was/is rust ON the usual places with these floors, but none of it has rotted thru. There's even areas where the Bermuda Brown still carries a bit of shine! Next step will be to go at the interior with the shop vac.
The original interior is largely intact (save for the carpets, of course!). There's an odd tear on the side of the drives seat back, but that's about it. Still, after having just set since '71, the seat covers are really stiff stuff. The headliner's clean and intact - save for the rearmost seam which has let go. The car's rubber parts have hardened with years of idleness.
I was highly suspect of the trunk seals worth when I first looked at the car. Even after I got it home, I was almost afraid to inspect it. Thing is, I knew it was more evil than beneficiary - it's cracked and deformed lenghts inviting rust more than preventing it. Inspecting it yesterday, I quickly realized it was just basically sitting in the channel it resides in. The only place any glue still held was along the upper edge - below the rear window. The loose areas hid rust and I eventually found two spots in that channel that were rotted thru. THIS had to be where water had gotten in to make the hole in the trunk floor!
The car had varying degrees of "protection" since some engine work had disabled it in 1971. For ten or fifteen years, it was afforded a dry spot inside a nice, dry shop. When the owner died, the car got evicted from dry storage and went thru some years with no cover or coverage with cheap Harbor Freight tarps. Of course, those "tarps" are waterproof for a year at best - at least here in this valley anyway. The extreme heat of our summers renders these tarps as dust covers at best - wind-driven sandpaper at worst! (Ask me how I know) Tarps, high temperatures and an aging vinyl roof conspired to do not so nice things to this Hawk. That so much of it is in good, solid shape is a bit amazing to me. Not that I was hoping for worse, mind you. I've looked at, and hauled home, a number of unrestored Hawks thru the years. Save for the spots of rust in the trunk area and the line of holy oxide where the one edge of the vinyl roof gave out (possibly exacerbated by a damned tarp!), this thing is amazingly straight and solid. Of course, I have to remind myself that it was parked when it was only seven years old.
The side windows are cranky (or UN-cranky as it were), and I may or may not address them to prep it for sale. I don't know what I'm gonna do about the AFB. Certainly it'll want some freshening if I expect it to cooperate. I have thought about using a WW on the car just to make it easier and cheaper to get it going.
I've been cleaning and polishing some of the brightwork as I go. Most of it seems to be in really nice - to - great shape. Of course, I'm NOT restoring the car - just trying to bring it out of a Rip Van Winkle session. It's been sleeping for 41 years so far!

BTW.... I found no PO green copy under/in the rear seat cushion. Has anyone ever found such in the rear seat back? I'd sure like to find a copy (without paying for one, of course). I DID find a gas station credit slip from a Shell dealer. It showed the sale of 9.8 gallons of Super Shell gasoline for the sum of $4.00. A quart of oil was .75 cents!

8E45E
12-31-2012, 02:17 PM
BTW.... I found no PO green copy under/in the rear seat cushion. Has anyone ever found such in the rear seat back? I'd sure like to find a copy (without paying for one, of course).

Try the topside of the glove compartment. I've heard of them there laying there before.

Craig

Roscomacaw
12-31-2012, 02:21 PM
I'll look there, Craig. Thanks. The crumbled remains of the paint code tag are in the glove box.

Roscomacaw
03-18-2013, 02:00 PM
OK, here's why I've not posted anything on this beast in awhile. Virtually nothing's been done to it. And WHY that's the case is a result of my trying to get it re-registered and generate a new title as a result.

It was the first week of February when I finally convinced myself to take action towards getting the car titled - said title being lost thru the years. The kind gal at the DMV seemed helpful enough until she'd started tapping the Hawks serial number into the state "system". That's when she said: "There's a bit of a problem here." Problem? What problem?????
"Well sir, it looks as tho someone started to re-title this car in 2002. But then, even tho they'd paid the fees to initiate things - they never followed thru."

"Great! Now what? Uh - who was it that tried to do this?"

"Sir, I can't divuldge that information to you."

So, as you might imagine, I was on the phone to the PO in a heartbeat. I wanted to know how it was that he could have assured me repeatedly that there were no liens or other holds against the Hawk - only to have the state computers barf up this revoltin' development. Naturally, he professed to be as stymied as I was irked. He called me back the next day to allow as how his nephew (who'd had physical custody of the car for a few years) had started the revival of the Hawk's legal status, but then lost enthusiasm. I'm thinking when he found out he'd have to haul the inanimate Hawk to a local DMV or CHP office to have the serial# verified, that may have knocked the wind out of his sails. I don't know.
Anyway, I was told that nephew would send me a letter explaining things so I could press on. Right. I countered that nephew was gonna have to walk in to a CA DMV in person to set things right - not get off with a simple letter to me. That was a month ago.
I have had one conversation with the seller since then. One where he allowed as how said nephew is a prison guard with odd hours that make it un-handy for him to get to a DMV office. And today - my thinking that I'd been more than patient for an update - I learned that nephew's daughter had a big wedding this weekend, and that all the folderal before and after that event is what's kept the Hawk's dilemma from being addressed. But I've been assured that this will be front burner from here on out.

There's been several times I've wanted to get to work on the car and get it running again. But each time I remind myself that I'd be a fool to fix a car that could end up being parted out - or tendered for a refund (which I do not want to do). So - that's what's up with 64V-1212 for now.

Pat Dilling
03-18-2013, 03:06 PM
If he delays much further, you should be able create a "Statement of Facts" explaining the situation and take that to the DMV to resolve it without the nephew being involved. You can state that you have not been able to get cooperation from the previous owner's nephew, or that he is not available. Either of which could be true depending upon how soon he acts. I had to go through something similar with my Conestoga title. Not every DMV clerk may be aware of this process. Ask them to check with a supervisor or contact their HQ if they are not aware. What would they do if the person who had initiated the title paperwork had died or you could not contact them? Same process would apply. If you are not able to resolve it I have a contact who specializes in DMV titling and registration as a business. Her fees are fair depending on how much time she has to spend. She is a former DMV employee and knows the rules inside and out. Good luck with it.

Roscomacaw
03-18-2013, 11:27 PM
Thanks Pat. I'd like to talk to your DMV friend. I have another car I'd like to get titled and could use help with.

The seller seems a nice and genuine fella. I believe he was/is genuine in his surprize at the nephew's actions. I'm gonna wait another two weeks and see if they comed thru for me.

8E45E
03-18-2013, 11:31 PM
Thanks Pat. I'd like to talk to your DMV friend. I have another car I'd like to get titled and could use help with.

The seller seems a nice and genuine fella. I believe he was/is genuine in his surprize at the nephew's actions. I'm gonna wait another two weeks and see if they comed thru for me.

Kelly here on the Forum put me in touch with an excellent DMV in his area. In-N-Out Registration in Lake Ellisonore.

Craig

candbstudebakers
03-19-2013, 01:18 AM
Bob there is a bill passed that any vehicle older than 25 years old does not have extra fees due, I will find the bill and let you know the number , most workers with DMV either don't know about it or are just to lazy to help. also I have a vin. tag and cowell tag for a 64 but in your case yours is a super hawk and you need to keep it as such.

Roscomacaw
03-19-2013, 10:37 AM
Thanks Bob. I have considered changing the car's identity, but indeed, it IS a Super Hawk and should be saved as such.

Pat Dilling
03-19-2013, 10:56 AM
Thanks Pat. I'd like to talk to your DMV friend. I have another car I'd like to get titled and could use help with.

The seller seems a nice and genuine fella. I believe he was/is genuine in his surprize at the nephew's actions. I'm gonna wait another two weeks and see if they comed thru for me.

Her name is Donna Leek, her business is Professional Registration Services. 530-320-5708. She was able to do everything for me over the phone and through the mail.

Roscomacaw
03-19-2013, 11:00 AM
Thanks Pat! I'm gonna see what she can do for me.

BobPalma
03-19-2013, 11:02 AM
Thanks Bob. I have considered changing the car's identity, but indeed, it IS a Super Hawk and should be saved as such.

Good, Bob; thanks for going the extra mile to see that it remains identified properly. :!: BP

Roscomacaw
03-19-2013, 11:16 AM
There's another down side to this thing sitting in my driveway for longer than I'd anticipated...... It's growing on me! Damn!

MUST RESIST! Pay no attention to those sexy, suggestive contours! Don't even THINK about letting it reside here!

BP, if I sprayed it Ermine White..... it IS a '64 ya know!

StudeRich
03-19-2013, 02:43 PM
Kelly here on the Forum put me in touch with an excellent DMV in his area. In-N-Out Registration in Lake Ellisonore.Craig

LOL! I'll chalk that one up to those Foreigners... "Canadians"! :lol:
It's Lake Elsinore, Calif. near Perris, Corona and not too far from Riverside! :D

8E45E
03-19-2013, 02:50 PM
Her name is Donna Leek, her business is Professional Registration Services. 530-320-5708. She was able to do everything for me over the phone and through the mail.

And if Donna can't help, try Brian at In'N'Out. Appearently he specializes in vintage cars that have been sitting around without the licence renewed for years on end.

Craig

Corvanti
03-19-2013, 03:47 PM
And if Donna can't help, try Brian at In'N'Out. Appearently he specializes in vintage cars that have been sitting around without the licence renewed for years on end.Craig

does Brian serve a double double with cheese and fries with that? :lol: sorry, too tempting not to comment.;)

jackb
03-19-2013, 04:44 PM
what I had to do here in Mass with a no-title-previous-dead-owner was to have notorized letters (which I created and typed up) spelling out every known fact of the car....I'm stymied at the required "previous owner would have to go to RMV"...Why ?

Roscomacaw
03-19-2013, 07:38 PM
The "why" is because in the state's eyes, the car belongs to someone other than the guy that I bought it from. Now, if you'd found that out when you went to register the car, wouldn't YOU want to DMV to say something? Or should it be (and it would be handy if it was) that I could walk in with a bill of sale and a few bucks for re-titling and ignore all that's been recorded in the past? IF the nephew had followed thru after paying the state some money, there'd be a title to work with - but he didn't do that. And actually, if he HAD done that and then never registered it again (after '02) it likely would've slid off the records again and no one would be the wiser. If what Bob Peterson says is true - the car still being in the system may not mean anything save for that it's there with someone elses name involved.

candbstudebakers
03-19-2013, 07:57 PM
Bob I am waiting for a friend to get me the Bill number that states any car older than 25 years old and is a classic does not need to pay back fees, is there a title for the car? if not then the seller might just have to do the back tracking and make DMV happy and it sounds like the kid is not to sharp on the subject, other than that one could do a lien sale and end up with the car and then the 25 year rule would come to play. The lien sale would send out notices to past owner of record but if the past owner wanted to claim it he would have to pay you or who ever storage fees and that could be $100.00 a day so not much chance some one stepping forward to claim it. keep us posted on this Bob and I will get the number to you soon as I get it , I can not find my copy....Bob

StudeDave57
03-19-2013, 08:10 PM
And if Donna can't help, try Brian at In'N'Out. Appearently he specializes in vintage cars that have been sitting around without the licence renewed for years on end. Craig
He (well, his assistant) worked wonders for me and Nelly's situation.


does Brian serve a double double with cheese and fries with that?
I WISH!!!! But the Del Taco across the parking lot worked in a pinch.


keep us posted on this Bob and I will get the number to you soon as I get it , I can not find my copy....Bob
If it's not too much trouble- post it here please!!! It's likely too late to help me out with the back fees I paid on Nelly last year, but it might help out with Jewel when I get around to her title issues... :!:

StudeRich
03-19-2013, 08:30 PM
It sounds like this "LAW" is most likely going to be a Calif. State "Statute".

That would be like the "Statute" that allowed me in 1995 to register my '57 Pelham Wagon as Non-Operational for free, BECAUSE I had a Historical Vehicle Plate when they first initiated the process, for I believe $10.00 for regular new Non-Ops on Regular Plates. I had to "remind" them with a "Statement of Fact" DMV Form. :(

r1lark
03-19-2013, 08:43 PM
BP, if I sprayed it Ermine White..... it IS a '64 ya know!

Biggs, it's Astra White in '64!! :D

candbstudebakers
03-20-2013, 12:22 PM
Her name is Donna Leek, her business is Professional Registration Services. 530-320-5708. She was able to do everything for me over the phone and through the mail.


Bob I know of Donna because a friend of mine uses her all the time and she is great, she is also the person that told him about this bill vin2012-21 you can go into www.dmv.ca.gov and put in that number and see the same info as I have here in front of me.

It reads
new information.
Planned nonoperation (PNO) requirements do not apply to historical interest and special interest vehicles.
note: A special interest vehicle is a vehicle of any age that is unaltered from the manufacturer's original specifications and, because of its significance includes, but is not limited to, an out of production vehicle or a model that had less than 2,000 sold in California in a model year that is collected, preserved, restored, or maintained by a hobbyist as a leisure pursuit.

Procedures: A certificate of nonoperation (CNO) is required to renew the expired registration of historical interest and special interest vehicles to waive fees and/or penalties.

Background: Although historical and special interest vehicles are exempt from PNO requirements, a CNO is required upon renewal.

Distribution: Notification that this memo is available online, at www.dmv.ca.gov under Publications was mad via California DMV's automated E-mail Alert System in June 2012.

most workers in the DMV don't know about it or have been told not to offer it unless asked for it by number, as it takes bucks for the DMV. hope this helps Bob, call Donna if you need more help and she will do every thing you need for a fee .

Roscomacaw
03-20-2013, 02:58 PM
Biggs, it's Astra White in '64!! :D

I actually KNEW it wasn't "ERMINE" but couldn't bring Astra to mind at the time. OK, so BP - buy this Hawk and I'll spray some Astra White on it for you!

Roscomacaw
03-20-2013, 03:01 PM
Spoke with Donna yesterday. She seems competent and confident regarding these matters. I'm gonna send her the paperwork for this '57 President I have. DMV balked that the pink slip I had for it was "too old" a document for them to work with. Donna said that's just hogwash. I hope she's right!

BobPalma
03-20-2013, 03:47 PM
I actually KNEW it wasn't "ERMINE" but couldn't bring Astra to mind at the time. OK, so BP - buy this Hawk and I'll spray some Astra White on it for you!

I saw that Ermine White reference but wasn't going to mention it, Bob! I've got more than enough to keep me busy for the rest of my life among the 8 collector cars now in my fleet, with the new Astra White 1964 Daytona Wagonaire.

Thanks for the offer, but if I ever got weak-kneed for another Hawk, it would have 1957-1961 rear fender "stabilizers." ;)

Or if it was a car from your fleet, it would be the 1957 President 2-door! :cool: BP

StudeRich
03-20-2013, 04:18 PM
I happen to know she is right and the DMV is "full of it" !
I have "Renewed" old actual "Pink Slips" before that are "out of their system" AND kept the original "Dead" Yellow on Black '63 Plates which the "Clerks" will tell you is impossible. :(
When you get to the Manager of Registration at the DMV and her "Book" of Statutes. DMV Regs. etc. it happens just like it is supposed to Well-La, Bingo and all that! New Title in the Mail, New Sticker and you are "on the Road again"! Yah Hoo!
This process DID cause me to have the "VIN" (Serial Number) Verified by their "VIN" officer at the DMV though.

JimsLeadCommander
03-20-2013, 05:49 PM
I happen to know she is right and the DMV is "full of it" !
I have "Renewed" old actual "Pink Slips" before that are "out of their system" AND kept the original "Dead" Yellow on Black '63 Plates which the "Clerks" will tell you is impossible. :(
When you get to the Manager of Registration at the DMV and her "Book" of Statutes. DMV Regs. etc. it happens just like it is supposed to Well-La, Bingo and all that! New Title in the Mail, New Sticker and you are "on the Road again"! Yah Hoo!
This process DID cause me to have the "VIN" (Serial Number) Verified by their "VIN" officer at the DMV though.

That's certainly a fair maneuver by the DMV. Varifying that the vehicle is as stated.

candbstudebakers
03-20-2013, 11:36 PM
You are not required to take the car to DMV to have it verified, any police officer can do it and a registered verifier can do it, mine cost me $25.00 and she come to me, also use her for lien sales notices, good luck with it Bob.

Roscomacaw
04-25-2013, 05:42 PM
Well, it's been more than four months since I brought this Hawk home. Finally - today - the seller got a title for it. Halleluja! With a bit of luck, it might well be runnin' by next week. We'll see how it goes. Coming - eventually - to an ebay screen near you!

BobPalma
01-15-2014, 06:54 AM
'Lost track of this, Bob. What happened to it? :confused: BP

Roscomacaw
01-15-2014, 04:22 PM
Funny you should ask! After having bought 64V-1212 on 12/12/12, it was 12/12/13 that it finally got some attention. I've wanted to post a photo or two, but my other (better) computer's been offline since before Xmas - keeping me from posting said photos.

I was aiming to do the LEAST possible to get the Hawk running again. Then - thanks to the damned car taunting me - I'd started to entertain ideas of actually keeping it for myself. And the truth is, at this point I'm "on the fence" about keeping it or finding it a good home. Whichever I choose, it'll at least run better than if I'd just slapped the heads back on.

The block will be back from the machine shop this week. The slug holes looked good enough that I'm confident we can eek by with fresh rings. The mains and rods were within spec and will be treated to new standard bearings. New cam bearings going in as well. The heads were worked in 1971 and have set, stored since. They look OK, but will get new seals on principle.

None of this would be happening if my favorite Stude mechanic, Ken Pyle hadn't moved back to this area in early December. It's not that I couldn't do all this stuff myself - it's just that I needed someone to take the lead again. I actually was gonna go farther with the rehab, but am stopping at just getting it up and running for now.
We actually worked on the car yesterday, and will again tomorrow. We're just waiting on the call from the machine shop. As to the PS tranny, I'm going to clean it up (externally) today and then my tranny specialist neighbor is gonna clean and refresh it internally next week. So that's what's happening to it for now. The PO finally produced a free and clear title and the car set in limbo until that was attained. My reasoning was that I had to have good papers before I started to sink money into it. And since there WERE complications so far as the state was concerned, with this car's registration, I was held back until that was rectified. Now, it's looking like it could be running and driving some time in February!

BobPalma
01-15-2014, 09:02 PM
That's good news, Bob. Thanks for the update.

I appreciate your cautioning people about sinking time and money in a car before they have a proper title in hand, acceptable to the applicable BMV. 'Too many people pay little attention to that not-so-small detail and then pass away, have a stroke, or something terrible happens, leaving their heirs with even more problems disposing of the car, or getting top dollar for it. :QQ: BP

Roscomacaw
01-15-2014, 09:58 PM
I spent some time before it got dark - de-grunging the PowerShift tranny. The car supposedly only has the 91K showing on it's ODO, but it grunged itself up as far as the front of the frame and suspension go. Then sitting since 1971 - that damned stuff has FOSSILIZED! I keep re-sharpening my scrapers just so they'll cut the concretions on the tranny case. I'm still wrestling with taking the front clip off to facilitate cleaning the frame and servicing the front suspension and brakes.

Yeah, if it had been a simple case of a lost title, that's fairly easy to rectify. But with this car, the PO's nephew had instigated re-registration about 10 years ago - without finalizing it. This left the car in limbo title-wise, until the nephew addressed the issue personally. And part of the problem was that he wasn't motivated to bother since the car wasn't in his possession anymore and he didn't care what it's fate was one way or another. But anyway.....

Roscomacaw
03-13-2014, 05:46 PM
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I know - I know - saying I'm easing out and now here's this. Well, things gotta leave here eventually - and this Hawk is one of them. This is as it sets today - just outside one shop door. We started putting the engine back together when a minor anomaly we'd found started to nag at me. So, Ken pulled it back apart and the block went back to the machine shop for fixations.
We've been thru the brakes save for the booster. I may or may not opt to do the booster as I've said all along that I only wanted "trailer brakes". That said - common sense dictated that we at least get all four wheels braking and that necessitated kits and hoses to make right. The drums and rotors are great, so that wasn't a problem.
The biggest problem so far is the plasticized Type A fluid that solidified in sitting since 1971. I've got it apart and while everything looks to be without wear, the petrified fluid is taking time to eliminate. The stuff simply laughs at solvent. It wants to be brushed and flushed to get gone. S'OK tho - I got a great tranny mech lookin' over my shoulder.

I had hoped we'd have this thing on it's feet in Feb., but between Ken's wife passing away and the myriad other things that want my attentions - it's looking like MAYBE the end of March. Whatever - it'll go when it comes together.

Bob Andrews
03-13-2014, 06:19 PM
Very cool car. I'll be following the progress with interest!