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geojerry
12-25-2012, 10:30 AM
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o13/geojerry/3b575d44fd5173e5bb45805089501e8a.jpg

rockinhawk
12-25-2012, 11:25 AM
I know the top 4. Who was 5th?

Swifster
12-25-2012, 12:24 PM
Zimmer perhaps?

8E45E
12-25-2012, 12:26 PM
Excalibur? I think they were still producing a few automobiles that late.

Craig

studegary
12-25-2012, 01:16 PM
Didn't Jeep and AMC combine around 1983? They may still be counting them as two separate entities.

8E45E
12-25-2012, 01:19 PM
AMC bought Jeep in 1970.

shifter4
12-25-2012, 01:21 PM
I know the top 4. Who was 5th?

Maybe Checker ?

8E45E
12-25-2012, 01:28 PM
Maybe Checker ?

Checker's last car was 1982, although they did contiue as a parts supplier.

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?51783-Orphan-of-the-Day-06-05-1982-Checker&highlight=checker

Craig

studegary
12-25-2012, 01:48 PM
Was the Delorean counted as an American auto maker, even though production was overseas, as with many companies/cars?

shifter4
12-25-2012, 02:34 PM
In this article , Avanti was just behind Excalibur up to '82 ,
but Excalibur is gone for '83 .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Automobile_Production_Figures

8E45E
12-25-2012, 02:53 PM
As others have stated in previous threads, Wikipedia is not 100% correct a lot of times. Here is a 1983 that is currently for sale:

http://www.oldride.com/classic_cars/565960.html

Craig

shifter4
12-25-2012, 03:51 PM
In this article , Avanti was just behind Excalibur up to '82 ,
but Excalibur is gone for '83 .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Automobile_Production_Figures
Indeed , and Wikipedia itself points that out. They also ask for contributions of
knowledge .

qsanford
12-25-2012, 06:12 PM
Was Volkswagen still building cars in Pennsylvania at that point?

SN-60
12-25-2012, 07:30 PM
I wish that Blake got a better break with His Avanti venture.......The man had the 'Right Stuff'!!!!

JEWELL
12-25-2012, 07:47 PM
I wish that Blake got a better break with His Avanti venture.......The man had the 'Right Stuff'!!!!

Same goes for Mr. Tucker in my mind SN-60.

Gunslinger
12-25-2012, 07:52 PM
I believe Steve Blake had a lot of good ideas but tried to do too much, too fast for the level of capitalization he had. While certainly commendable, the racing effort could have waited until he had the company on firm financial ground first. The change in body making and the change in paint should have gotten a thorough test on a limited number of cars rather than convert all production to it, and the problem and bankruptcy could have been averted. Of course, that's hindsight and quite obvious looking back.

jlmccuan
12-25-2012, 08:00 PM
The big 3 had similar paint issues and had Blake been able to ride it out, the paint suppliers would have had to make it good as they did for the big 3. Again, undercapitalization, the bane of companies everywhere.

Gunslinger
12-25-2012, 08:40 PM
My understanding is that the paint issue was not actually the paint...it was the change in body process. Supposedly the new body process required far more curing time than the previous process. The paint sealed the glass and out gassing of its solvents couldn't occur normally, so the paint began coming off.

I guess there was no thought there might be a difference between fiberglass processes...fiberglass is fiberglass. It must have been an easy conclusion that the new paint must have been the problem.

cruiser
12-25-2012, 09:30 PM
GUNSLINGER ,

I may be right , and I may be wrong , but from what I

have read about the Paint problem , the process involved affected the

cars where a filler had been used to smooth out the body finish . Very

open to comments on this !

CRUISER

jlmccuan
12-25-2012, 09:48 PM
There was a change in the paint system coinciding with other changes in Blake's attemp to "modernize" the finishing system. Blake was caught up in trying to be as progressive as other companies and the big push was to catalyzed systems. Not just pinholes, but entire areas sheeted off requiring total repaints (on some cars, several). Corvettes suffered similar failures, even though they stayed with the same fiberglass system they had been using, but GM dealers charged back warranty work to GM, where pockets were deep enough and business was large enough to command more immediate response from the chemical companies involved. GM had moved production of the Corvette to Bowling Green by this time but still followed the move from lacquers to catalyzed enamels with the rest of the company.

Of course, it could be the egg nog fogging my recollection.

qsanford
12-27-2012, 07:44 AM
I know the top 4. Who was 5th?

It might have been American Honda.