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BobPalma
12-12-2012, 12:40 PM
...about finding them!

One curiosity I find hard to believe is that, AFAIK, only one of the 1962 Lark Daytona convertibles involved in the 1962 Indianapolis 500 Mile Race Pace Car program is accounted for within SDC: 62V29659.

(UPDATE: We now have two confirmations! See Posts 7, 10, 13, and 14 to this topic. Woo-hoo!)

62V29659 is owned by an SDCer in Michigan, whose name I do not know. He bought it from Richard Poe several years ago. Richard had stalked the car, for want of a better term, many years in southern Indiana, when he and Rose were vacationing there. He finally bought the car at least ten years ago and stopped by to show it to me on his way back northwest to Janesville WI with it on his trailer. (This was before Richard and Rose moved to Nashville IN upon Richard's retiring from the Janesville WI GM Assembly Plant.)

62V29659 was complete and not at all terribly rusty, but had its share of needs as to a full restoration. (It had been assigned to then-Indianapolis Mayor Richard Barton during the April / May 1962 Indianapolis 500 festivities.) Richard has kept track of the car and reports restoration is yet to commence.

Here is the list of all 1962 Indianapolis 500 Pace & Festival Cars by interior color and Serial Number, the result of extensive Production Order research by Cousin George Krem, Larry Swanson, and myself over a couple days in South Bend in 1992:

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/62pacecarserials.jpg

Does anyone have or know of one of these cars that we are yet to account for? It would seem like with so many of us "out there" and 1962 Daytona convertibles being easily identifiable and of collector interest even among non-Studebaker people, I would think we should be able to locate and document more of these cars than just one!

Anyone?

(As an aside, I still have ten of these two-fold Pace Car Mailers I had reprinted awhile back, available for sale as noted in the earlier link below the photo.)

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/62pacecarflyer.jpg

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?58975-1962-Lark-Pace-Car-Mailer-Reprints-Available&highlight=1962+pace+car

I'm hoping this post will alert many new sleuths out there and we can locate more of these special cars. :) It seems like such a shame that only one of them is known within The Studebaker Drivers Club, as important as was the 1962 Indianapolis 500 Pace Car program for Studebaker marketing that year. :cool: BP

StudeRich
12-12-2012, 02:45 PM
It really is too bad that although Convertibles are THE most desired and valuable Model of Lark and Lark Type, they are also the most often destroyed by rust and use of all Models. Which makes them the least likely to survive body style. :(

That is a LOT of Festival Cars 34 actually, there HAVE to be a few languishing behind Barns rusting away SOMEWHERE.

BobPalma
12-12-2012, 03:00 PM
That is a LOT of Festival Cars 34 actually, there HAVE to be a few languishing behind Barns rusting away SOMEWHERE.

That would be my opinion, Rich, as you see.
I hope we can encourage people to at least check the numbers on cars they have or know about, regardless of condition. :) BP

8E45E
12-12-2012, 03:01 PM
And as Bob stated in a previous thread on these cars, it would have been kind of difficult for the Indinapolis area to absorb all 34 of these convertibles and many no doubt went back to South Bend for redistribution. So these cars could be anywhere in the country!!

Craig

BobPalma
12-12-2012, 03:06 PM
And as Bob stated in a previous thread on these cars, it would have been kind of difficult for the Indinapolis area to absorb all 34 of these convertibles and many no doubt went back to South Bend for redistribution. So these cars could be anywhere in the country!! Craig

Absolutely, Craig, and that is a good reason for people to check these cars anywhere, not thinking, "Well, I live 1,460 miles from Indianapolis, so there probably aren't any around here." WRONG. :ohmy: BP

Gary1953
12-12-2012, 04:16 PM
Bob you need to put this challenge in Turning Wheels so you will have more eyes looking out for these cars.

merv
12-12-2012, 05:19 PM
pace car 62v30006 is owned by chuck donkle of los animas co. it's awaiting resteration

dpson
12-12-2012, 05:43 PM
Thank you for the listing of Pace and Festival cars, I don't recall seeing this before.

Is it safe to assume the "Festival" cars were all Daytona's?

The 62 Lark "Regal" convertible that I currently take care of is serial number 62V-28906 so it was built in close proximity to the "Festival" cars.

StudeRich
12-12-2012, 06:23 PM
/Cut/Is it safe to assume the "Festival" cars were all Daytona's?/Cut/

Yes, the scan of George Krem's article says: "1962 Indianapolis 500 Daytona Convertibles (62V-L8)"

There were no 62V-L6's in the special group, probably because they would not "resemble" the actual Pace Cars.

BobPalma
12-12-2012, 09:01 PM
pace car 62v30006 is owned by chuck donkle of los animas co. it's awaiting resteration

Excellent, Merv; thanks so much! (See, we now have twice as many confirmed Pace/Festival cars as we had only 12 hours ago!) :D:D BP

BobPalma
12-12-2012, 09:06 PM
Thank you for the listing of Pace and Festival cars, I don't recall seeing this before.

Is it safe to assume the "Festival" cars were all Daytona's?

The 62 Lark "Regal" convertible that I currently take care of is serial number 62V-28906 so it was built in close proximity to the "Festival" cars.

Excellent, Dan; you are fortunate to have a convertible built within the time frame when all the Festival cars were also going down the line, even if it is a Regal. Very Cool!

Yes, as our slow, "production-order-by-production-order" research confirmed, all the Festival cars were Daytonas and were identical in every way except interior color. :cool: BP

Boothguy
12-12-2012, 09:42 PM
I'd like to hear the back story on all the newly rediscovered pace cars. Did people put them away because they were special or find out later what they had. Did anybody knowingly scrap one?

Milaca
12-12-2012, 10:04 PM
Excellent, Merv; thanks so much! (See, we now have twice as many confirmed Pace/Festival cars as we had only 12 hours ago!) :D:D BP



I spoke to Chuck and asked about his pace car at this year's meet in South Bend as he had a 1962 Lark Taxi there, but he said it may be a few years before the pace car is finished. I look forward to seeing it completed.

BobPalma
12-12-2012, 10:06 PM
'Just got an off-forum e-mail from the Chuck Donkle referenced in Posts 7, 10, and 13. Chuck is not a forum member but was alerted to our search by a forum member.

Here's the Serial Number plate on Chuck's car. It's the very last Festival Car built. Cool Beans!

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss155/BobPalma/last62festivalcar.jpg

How ironic that we have now accounted for two of the Festival Cars, and they happen to be the last two. (Well, technically, I guess they are the "newest" of all the cars, so they've been subjected to one or two weeks' less wear & tear than the others, right?) ;) :cool: BP

8E45E
12-13-2012, 08:29 AM
(Well, technically, I guess they are the "newest" of all the cars, so they've been subjected to one or two weeks' less wear & tear than the others, right?) ;) [/I]:cool: BP

As in a few less dents and scratches in the top bows? There would have been a few less a$$'s sitting on the top boot waving at the people!! :D

Craig

laughinlark
01-11-2013, 12:32 AM
Did these cars have a special tag attached to the body tags under the hood? Are the body numbers know?

Gordon S

BobPalma
01-11-2013, 10:14 AM
Did these cars have a special tag attached to the body tags under the hood? Are the body numbers known? Gordon S

To the best of my knowledge, there were no additional tags (streamers) attached to the body number tags.

Yes, because the Serial Numbers are known, the Body Numbers are also known. :) BP

laughinlark
01-11-2013, 11:09 PM
To the best of my knowledge, there were no additional tags (streamers) attached to the body number tags.

Yes, because the Serial Numbers are known, the Body Numbers are also known. :) BP



I found a 62 4 speed Daytona Convertible on Craigslist. When zooming in on the body tag I see a streamer. It gets fuzzy and unreadable. I asked about body numbers known because its less intrusive to look under an open hood than asking to see a VIN number. Some might even have pics of these cars and engine compartments with body tags in full view.

Gordon S

BobPalma
01-12-2013, 07:43 AM
I found a 62 4 speed Daytona Convertible on Craigslist. When zooming in on the body tag I see a streamer. It gets fuzzy and unreadable. I asked about body numbers known because its less intrusive to look under an open hood than asking to see a VIN number. Some might even have pics of these cars and engine compartments with body tags in full view. Gordon S

Good, Gordon. If the body tag has a streamer on top of it, it could be 4-speed. If so, it is not a Festival Car because they were all Flightomatics.

However, even better, it might be one of the 2 early 289/4-speed cars made for promotional work (pictures and such), or even -GASP- one the actual two PACE CARS, neither of which are accounted for. :woot::!:

Please see if you can get a Body Tag lower number (the actual body number) and then post it. I'll check it right away. :cool: BP

Warren Webb
01-12-2013, 12:30 PM
The festival cars were all built between 2063 V-8 serial numbers which divides out to one every 60+ cars. Taking customer orders in that comes to alot of convertibles going down the line during that time! Bet it kept the guys welding up the bodies really busy with all the extra parts that make up the convertible body!

laughinlark
01-13-2013, 12:36 AM
The Convertible is to far away for me to check. Here is the link.
http://oregoncoast.craigslist.org/cto/3525626770.html
It might have been discussed already? Its hard for me to keep up on here lately. Even if its not a pace car its still a nice convertible.

Gordon S

IGMOR
06-29-2013, 12:06 AM
I just inherited my grandfathers 1962 Lark Daytona convertible. He used to collect Studebakers and this one was his baby. He bought it in 1978 - had it restored and it's taken 1st place in every show it's been in including a national show - got a plaque on the dash. I have a 69' GTO and a 73' Firebird formula 455 too, I'm more into the muscle cars but people freak out over the Studebaker. It gets more attention than both of my muscle cars! It's crazy how much love people show this car. The VIN is 62V-I0450 - Idk much about the pace cars, but even if it is one of them and someone offered me a billion dollars for it...it's not for sale. It's was my g-pa's baby, gotta pass it down...

sals54
06-29-2013, 02:37 AM
Just for future reference. If we want to make record of some of these Craigslist ads, all you have to do is do a screen photo of the page with the most desirable picture in order to capture it. Then, once the ad is removed, the picture still exists. Contact phone numbers, VINs, body tags etc.