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lotsalarks
02-11-2006, 11:19 AM
[?] Does anyone use a Studebaker for towing travel trailers? We've just acquired a 1959 18' Airstream and are unsure of the towability by Stuebakers (especially at high altitudes---we're near the Colorado Rockies).

Many thanks,

Lori [:X]



"The Common Sense Car"

Dick Steinkamp
02-11-2006, 11:27 AM
quote:Originally posted by lotsalarks

[?] Does anyone use a Studebaker for towing travel trailers? We've just acquired a 1959 18' Airstream and are unsure of the towability by Stuebakers (especially at high altitudes---we're near the Colorado Rockies).

Many thanks,

Lori [:X]



"The Common Sense Car"


"Studebakers" covers quite a range of cars and trucks. I probably wouldn't tow it with a '41 Champion, but certainly with a 1964 3/4 ton T cab with a V8.

What Studebaker would you be using for a tow vehicle?

A '59 Airstream is a pretty nifty rig! I think Mr. Biggs needs one of those behind his Transtar [8D]

-Dick-

Roscomacaw
02-11-2006, 06:04 PM
Wife's been after me for years to get either a Stude with a camper body or a trailer we could pull with a Stude.:D

Miscreant at large.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

lotsalarks
02-11-2006, 09:34 PM
(Oops, I misspelled 'Studebakers' in my first post [:I].) We're considering cars that we already have from '58-'63. A '58 Provincial wagon (if we can figure out a hitch set-up), a'58 President hardtop, a '63 Wagonaire, or a '59 1/4 ton long-bed truck. Any suggestions would be great!

Lori[:X]

"The Common Sense Car"

DEEPNHOCK
02-11-2006, 09:44 PM
Lori,
You can go back and 'edit' your original post to correct your spelling error (if you wish).
Open your old post and select the box with the pencil.
You can then edit it.
Hope the info helps.
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by lotsalarks

(Oops, I misspelled 'Studebakers' in my first post [:I].) We're considering cars that we already have from '58-'63. A '58 Provincial wagon (if we can figure out a hitch set-up), a'58 President hardtop, a '63 Wagonaire, or a '59 1/4 ton long-bed truck. Any suggestions would be great!

Lori[:X]

"The Common Sense Car"

Dick Steinkamp
02-11-2006, 09:44 PM
quote:Originally posted by lotsalarks

(Oops, I misspelled 'Studebakers' in my first post [:I].) We're considering cars that we already have from '58-'63. A '58 Provincial wagon (if we can figure out a hitch set-up), a'58 President hardtop, a '63 Wagonaire, or a '59 1/4 ton long-bed truck. Any suggestions would be great!

Lori[:X]

"The Common Sense Car"


What is the gross weight of the trailer? Do you mean 3/4 ton long bed '59 Pick up? How are the cars and truck equiped (engine, trans, rear end ratio)?

-Dick-

Laemmle
02-11-2006, 10:30 PM
Don Richards in New Hempshire does, and has numerous heavy duty Studebaker trucks.

lotsalarks
02-12-2006, 11:04 PM
The trailer is a little more than 2,000 lbs. Yes, I meant a 3/4 ton pick-up.[:I] The President and Wagonaire are 289 automatic with 3.31 axles. The truck is a 289 3-speed OD with a 4.10 axle. The Provincial wagon is a 259 automatic with a 3.52 (we think).

Thanks,
Lori & Will

"The Common Sense Car"

Dick Steinkamp
02-12-2006, 11:28 PM
quote:Originally posted by lotsalarks

The trailer is a little more than 2,000 lbs. Yes, I meant a 3/4 ton pick-up.[:I] The President and Wagonaire are 289 automatic with 3.31 axles. The truck is a 289 3-speed OD with a 4.10 axle. The Provincial wagon is a 259 automatic with a 3.52 (we think).

Thanks,
Lori & Will

"The Common Sense Car"


Wow! I think you're in great shape to use just about anything in your "fleet" to tow that light of a trailer. My first choice would probably be the pickup, second the Wagonaire, but the President and Privincial should do fine also. I'd have a class 3 receiver type hitch fabed for whatever vehicle you choose to use. A good hitch store should be able to fix you up. You might also consider a load leveler/sway control set up even though the traile is a light one.

Post a picture of the rig when you decide which one to use.

-Dick-

Stude4x4
02-12-2006, 11:34 PM
We have several Studebakers that we use for towing. Our one truck used to be a 1/2 ton and we towed 10,000 lbs with it. (we didn't know it at the time) Then we converted it to 3/4 ton and put a turbocharged 289 in it with a NP 540 tranny and 5.38 gears. We have towed up to 12,000 lbs with it. Towing a 2,000 lb trailer will be no problem for any of your studes. My great uncle pulled his 8,000 lb boat with his 57 hawk, 289 with 3spd. Here is a picture of our truck pulling our company Jeep.
http://image50.webshots.com/150/3/37/35/506033735XtAfdS_ph.jpg
Jake

-Home of John Studebaker-
http://community.webshots.com/user/Stude4x4

Roscomacaw
02-13-2006, 01:58 PM
I've hauled ALL SORTS of cars and trucks on HEAVY flatbed trailers behind my stock '57 Transtar half ton (3E7) with no problems at all. This even over the vehicle-testing "Grapevine" hiway, north of Los Angeles.[:0]
289/3-spdO/D with a 4.10TT rear axle. I can even pass folks going uphill with a big Stude on a dual axle trailer. And this is with the stock Stromberg 2bbl carb in place.;)

Miscreant at large.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

58HT
03-17-2007, 06:19 PM
What are the details on your '58 Pres Hardtop? They are so rare we're trying to catalog them =)

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w32/58HT/58-1.jpghttp://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w32/58HT/58-2.jpg

bensauber
03-17-2007, 06:53 PM
In the 60's, my brothers and I pulled a 14 ft travel trailer with a 59 Lark, flat 6 3 speed and OD from Seattle to Eastern Washington accross the passes almost every weekend of hunting season for years. I don't recall passing anyone much but, I don't remember much interstate then. I don't recall ever having a problem towing or stopping. We were kids and didn't give it much thought. Come to think of it,I never thought about it too much till you asked about towing.

36 dictator
48 starlite
50 starlite

rockne10
03-17-2007, 07:35 PM
I remember a '42 Commander sedan that hauled a trailer with a 1924 coupe on a trailer from Missouri? to Gettysburg for the 1980 National Meet. I have a picture in 120mm slide format that I can't scan to post here.

Even Commander six power is fine; it's gearing and brakes that are to be considered. Does the Airstream have electric or surge brakes or no brakes?

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight

studeclunker
03-18-2007, 03:13 AM
I just towed a '56 Parkview wagon (3k lbs plus) with my 1/2 ton '62 Champ. Didn't have any trouble at all with the hills. It was a 150 mile trip (one way) and had to climb to Buckhorn Pass (3460ft) Then down the other side and up the driveway by Lucifer Metastophelies. You'll have to down shift on the hills, but other than that, your little Airstream should'nt give any of the Studes listed any trouble. At 2k it's well within their capability.

The question is; what is the condition of your vehicles. If they are in marginal condition, then towing the trailer will only make it worse. If they are in excellent condition, you probably won't know the trailer is back there. Just use a good equalizer hitch. Someone has posted a thread here saying that the hitch from a Volvo 740 will fit a '56 wagon. That being the case, it should fit most of yours. The truck will have to be fabricated.

Personally, I'd tow the trailer with the truck. It's a better bet for that kind of thing. I don't like towing with an automatic. Never have. I've always found using an automatic vehicle for towing to be expensively troublesome.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
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Lotsa Larks!
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Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

Roscomacaw
03-18-2007, 02:19 PM
Here's an EARLY 90s pic of Pete, before the wreck and subsequent "rebirth", towing a '64 Crusier home for a friend.

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2007/2/12/Transprimer.jpg

Note the tail end of the Packard to the left. This guy (now deceased) had a bunch of nice oldies sittin' about, but his "prize" was a '57 (58?) Buick Century Limited that had like 9K miles on it.
He had a couple of Champ trucks sitting there as well. One had an Avanti R2 in it. I don't know what became of the trucks but they eventually disappeared after the guy passed away. I had tried to "score" them, but he kept telling me his kid was gonna make one good one out of the two. [8]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Studenut
03-18-2007, 04:53 PM
My wife and I have been towing travel trailers for about 48 years, almost as long as we have been married, and our original tow vehicle (And you may laugh at this!) was our '53 Champion coupe with manual transmission/overdrive and all of about 85 rated horsepower! We first rented a neighbor's 21' Airstream for a week, and then bought a little 16' trailer that we used for a couple of years before getting a bigger trailer that we towed with the first of a long line of Ford station wagons or pickups.
The Stude pulled these trailers up to about 50 mph without much trouble, and with electric brakes on them, the weak Champion brakes on the car didn't cause any problem. In fact, I recall being able to stop more quickly with the trailer behind us!
Now we have a 30' travel trailer pulled by a Dodge/Cummins pickup, but we might have had more fun with our original setup!

Jerry Buck
Racine, Wisconsin
'53 Champion Coupe - C (owned since 1956)
'61 Lark VI Convertible

studeclunker
03-19-2007, 02:46 AM
LOL:D Hey Jerry, I know what you mean about brakes! My '62 Champ stops way better pulling the horse trailer than solo!(LOL):D:D:D

By the by, Mr Biggs; Pete went through a transformation like the butterfly emerging from the dead caterpillar's crysalis. He looks like one of mine in that picture. Now Pete is truely a thing of beauty. Gives me hope for mine.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
Home of the incredible Mr. Ed!
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

sbca96
03-19-2007, 11:20 AM
My brother used his '64 Lark Daytona to tow a small 4x6 trailer across
country from California to Michigan in the mid 90s. We upgraded it to
disc brakes and the trailer hitch from our '63 Lark Wagonaire.

My dad hauled my moms '59 Chevy Impala convertible all the way from
Michigan to California with his 1963 Lark Daytona 4spd/4:56 rear end.

So I bought a 1995 Impala SS, added a class III hitch, and plan to tow
my '63 Avanti to shows with it. I figure its only fair.[:o)];)

http://hometown.aol.com/sbca96/images/dsc00002.jpg

Of course, chances are I will want to DRIVE the Avanti instead.:D

Tom

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: 97 Z28 T-56 6-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires

t walgamuth
04-07-2012, 07:39 PM
A buddy has a 64 wagonaire with an R-1 engine and four speed. It has disc brakes and AC. I am thinking of buying it and using it to pull my race car and other things. The drivetrain came out of a 35K mile vehicle. I am thinking it would not be hard to beef up the rear springs if it is too soft.

It has the 3.31 TT rear end.

anybody have a prediction for fuel economy with this setup towing or non towing?

Warren Webb
04-07-2012, 11:29 PM
The 3:31 will be a bit "doggy" off the line & you might go through clutches sooner than most but should be fine on the highway. Wagonaire's have heavier springs to start. You could always install a pair of 70's Camaro air shocks to level it.

Dick Steinkamp
04-07-2012, 11:38 PM
anybody have a prediction for fuel economy with this setup towing or non towing?

Others may have success with a stock R1 engine in a daily driver, but I haven't. The compression ratio is 10.25/1. IMHO, today's premium fuel is not high enough in octane to run this motor without severely knocking the timing back. At the timing required to avoid detonation, you have lost a lot of power. Again, others may have found the secret to run this motor, but I never have.

For a stock 289, 4 speed, 3.31, I would expect 11-13 around town and 15-18 highway. Less when towing. I'd also be careful with the weight you tow. The car would have enough power to pull a race car on a trailer, but without 4 wheel trailer brakes, it would have a difficult time stopping that load.

brian6373
04-07-2012, 11:59 PM
Hey lotsalarks, are you shure about the weight on that trailer? I have a 20' Nomad from the late 70's, and the plaque on it gives the weight as 5000. You can take the trailer to a public scale and have it weighed if there isn't a weight given on the plaque. That said, if the trailer has electric brakes then the modern controlers that you install in the tow vehicle are amaizing. Like in a previous post said " you won't know the trailer is there". I'd also agree that just about any of your Studes should not have a problem towing even a 5000 lbs. trailer.

candbstudebakers
04-08-2012, 02:36 AM
Back in the early 70" We made a trip from California to Minnesota, we towed a 21 foot Shasta trailer With my 60 1/2 ton and had a slide in camper on the truck, along with were my wife and the 4 kids and one dog, in the closet was 35 case of Coors beer for my brother you could not get it in Minnesota back then, the truck was a fresh R-1 with Air, heavy duty T85 with overdrive and a TT 427 rear end and the hitch set up was an equalizer type with spring bars and anti sway set up, ran like a top all the way there across the high desert in 2nd over at 2500 rpm and the brakes were changed to 11' Fin drums, when I got back from the trip I changed the engine as I wanted to save the R-1 so I installed a 413 Chrysler with the push button tork flight and Chrysler 330 rear end never had a problem pulling the trailer or any thing else with that set up, so yes Studebakers can be used for towing.

SilverHawkDan
04-08-2012, 02:53 AM
Lori,
I currently tow the Avanti (over 5000 lbs.) on a two axle all steel trailer (1500 lbs.) with the Stude camper. 289, 3 speed with OD, 4.88 axle. I am planning to switch to a 4.30 axle soon. It tows fine until I get to high altitude. One recommendation, supercharger or turbo. You don't need much, maybe 3 or 4 lbs boost but at high altitude it will really help. That is my plan when I switch axles. By the way a late model GM truck class 3 hitch is the same width as a Stude truck frame. I can post pics of the installation if you need them. It's a bolt in set up at the frame.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p56/dieselguy2006/Bonneville%202011%20World%20of%20Speed/DSCF4187.jpg
Dan

K-Hawk
04-08-2012, 03:15 AM
My experience with towing has taught me it is always easier to get moving than to stop. Just make sure your tow vehicle is in good shape, excellent cooling and excellent brakes and you should be fine, good luck and enjoy that air stream.

Dads Baby
04-08-2012, 12:25 PM
I am sure Lori has figured out what to tow her trailer with by now. Her post was from 6 years ago!

Dick Steinkamp
04-08-2012, 06:28 PM
I am sure Lori has figured out what to tow her trailer with by now. Her post was from 6 years ago!

Probably, but I think the responses of recent are to #20 which was posted yesterday.

Dads Baby
04-08-2012, 11:41 PM
Dick, I understand, but I was responding to #23 and #25 where they addressed Lori. Although all the info is very informative! :cool:

Dick Steinkamp
04-08-2012, 11:43 PM
Dick, I understand, but I was responding to #23 and #25 where they addressed Lori. Although all the info is very informative! :cool:

Got it. I missed those two.

Green53
04-09-2012, 12:51 AM
By all means use an equilizer hitch and then get a controller for the electric brakes on the trailer. Much safer.

Denny L

mmagic
04-13-2012, 12:42 PM
Got my drivers license on a Wednesday and we left Friday from Ohio to Florida towing a 14' travel trailer. I remember doing most all the driving. I don't recall any issues.

The setup was a '55 President with an axle attached equalizer hitch. Dad pulled many miles with that setup first on a '51 Land Cruiser, then the '55 President and then a '61 Lark... all Automatic V8's. He didn't pull in the Rockies but all through the Smokies and Appalachians. The worst grade I remember him complaining about was on a country road outside of Somerset, PA.

I don't know if you can find an axle hitch anymore but that made for a sweet setup that didn't tear up or rely on the car suspension or beat up the passengers.