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Studebaker Wheel
09-16-2012, 12:20 PM
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Thought I had seen just about everything Studebaker but this one has me stumped. A guy stopped by the house to show me this cloth patch that he won on an Ebay auction. He had sewn on a newer shirt. Note the wording “Safety from Blow outs – Prevents Swerves Keeps car straight.” A giant arm grasps the front suspension. The car looks to be from the‘40s. I have no idea what this was about but am sure it is not a Studebaker Corp. item. Also I do not think it had any connection to the Hydra Matic transmission developed by GM in 1939-40. Any thoughts?

junior
09-16-2012, 12:30 PM
Wow, it's great to know that even a Stude guru can get stumped from time to time. Sorry I can't help you out, but this furthers the saying 'never say never' when it comes to Stude. Waiting to find out what Hydra Matic means in relationship to Studebakers. Regards, Junior



It is interesting to note, that the patch's logo is a very close copy to GM's hydra-matic logo...

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SN-60
09-16-2012, 04:21 PM
Since the spelling is STUDEBAKERS instead of STUDEBAKER....that tells Me this patch probably has nothing to do with Studebaker Corp. Possibly an early fifties transmission shop involved with
selling-rebuilding-installing Hydra-Matic transmissions? (Remember the B&M Hydro-Stick of later years?)

BobPalma
09-16-2012, 04:27 PM
Agree with "all the above," Dick, including your OP.

I doubt this has anything to do with "our" Studebaker Corporation or General Motors Corporation's Hydra-Matic (as then spelled) Drive.

Unless the actual age can be verified, it really looks like something somebody recently made up with bits and pieces of advertising. BP

Chris_Dresbach
09-16-2012, 09:47 PM
From what I can tell in the photo, it looks too new.

8E45E
09-16-2012, 09:51 PM
Unless the actual age can be verified, it really looks like something somebody recently made up with bits and pieces of advertising. BP

I saw a coat many years ago with various patches on it including that one. They were indeed "cut & paste" jobs, with no regard to accuracy.

Craig

Da Tinman
09-17-2012, 11:13 AM
That would be my patch, it was sewn on to a faded pocket of a work type shirt and was falling apart. After removing it from the pocket I stabilized it with some iron on temp stitching and had my Mom sew it on the shirt for me. I didnt get anymore of the shirt other than the pocket and the patch was only sewn to the pocket. I assume it was added to the shirt during it construction and not added later as there wasnt any evidence that the pocket had been removed and reattached.

I dont know how old it really is but I can assure you that its not "new". Not saying its authentic or truly vintage but it wasnt made yesterday.

showbizkid
09-17-2012, 12:25 PM
I'll bet someone found a bunch of old embroidery dies and simply muscled them together. Interesting piece though - I'd be interested in finding out what it was that actually "prevented blowouts" ;)

christophe
09-18-2012, 06:40 AM
Assuming that this is not a fake, I'd say it is referring to an hydraulic stabilizer used on the front end, hence the hand around the axle and the supposed advantages. I don't know if this kind of stabilizer is common in the U.S., but such accessories existed for french cars during the 50's for both axles.

jimmijim8
09-18-2012, 07:16 AM
I'll go with that xplanation. Case closed cheers jimmijim

studegary
09-18-2012, 02:22 PM
Assuming that this is not a fake, I'd say it is referring to an hydraulic stabilizer used on the front end, hence the hand around the axle and the supposed advantages. I don't know if this kind of stabilizer is common in the U.S., but such accessories existed for french cars during the 50's for both axles.

Hydraulic steering stabilizers were used, but not common, in the USA. In fact, a kit to install one was available from Studebaker for the Gran Turismo Hawks (they have been reproduced).

christophe
09-19-2012, 02:17 AM
Hydraulic steering stabilizers were used, but not common, in the USA. In fact, a kit to install one was available from Studebaker for the Gran Turismo Hawks (they have been reproduced).

As I own a GT, that's very interesting. Could you tell me what company did reproduce them? I don't remember seeing them in SI's catalog.

unclemiltie
09-19-2012, 07:19 AM
My dad drove International pickup trucks and I remember the later ones having these on them.

rusty nut garage
09-19-2012, 12:48 PM
Dave Thiebault had them reproduced. The GT hawk developed a shimmy of the steering wheel at speed, not sure why as its the same steering components as the finned hawks. Something to do with weight change? I've got a stabilizer kit that I ordered for a customer, customer then backed out so I'm stuck with the kit. If someone wants it 20% off of what Dave asks for them its yours.

As I own a GT, that's very interesting. Could you tell me what company did reproduce them? I don't remember seeing them in SI's catalog.

christophe
09-20-2012, 10:02 AM
Dave Thiebault had them reproduced. The GT hawk developed a shimmy of the steering wheel at speed, not sure why as its the same steering components as the finned hawks. Something to do with weight change?
I'd say that the effects of sidewinds were amplified by the square roof.


I've got a stabilizer kit that I ordered for a customer, customer then backed out so I'm stuck with the kit. If someone wants it 20% off of what Dave asks for them its yours.

I could be interested but, as it is basically a shock absorber between the frame and the steering components, I'm wondering if it doesn't have a tendancy to stiff the direction. Without P.S. I can assure you that no additional rigidity is needed. I've experienced no shimmy yet, but I've limited my top speed to 50 mph during the engine break in.