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sbca96
09-15-2006, 10:04 PM
OK .. I should have just thrown out the two headlight gaskets, the
fuel pump rebuild kit AND the mechanical pump when I found that the
steam seal was torn .. but instead I tried to install my new headlight
gaskets (bad idea).

THEY ARE TOO BIG. I dont get it, its a rubber part, too small I could
make it work - too big leaves gaps. I can not even get the stupid
thing to stay on the lens cover. I would guess it to be about 1 to 2
inches too long in circumference. So far, with the 4 items I have
bought from S.I. they are batting 50/50. Exhaust gaskets & the center
rubber bumper part fit great, fuel pump kit & headlight gaskets suck.

Any ideas how to shrink rubber??

Tom

JDP
09-15-2006, 11:45 PM
Make sure you are putting the lenes in the correct groove.

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sbca96
09-16-2006, 05:27 AM
Yah .. I looked at it .. doesnt seem like there is more then one, the
backside has a bump that will fit in the recess, & there is an overlap
that will cover the seam. The lens seems to go into the slit, so that
the lens is surrounded on both sides. This is very frustrating after
the fuel pump rebuild kit problem. Its not supposed to be cut is it?
Doesnt make sense to make it molded round, and require it to be cut.

Tom

Scott
09-16-2006, 09:55 AM
It won't help you now, but you should talk to your vendor about it. They should be able to explain how to do it. If it finally ends up that the part has a design defect, then they should take it back.

As a club, I really think it's time to get on the backs of those making reproductions parts that DON"T meet factory specs. We do NOT do a service to ourselves if we just take what we can get with the attitude that we should be lucky to get any parts at all. That's B.S. and just gives vendors the leeway to make slipshod products. I've been seeing that happening way too often. If someone's going to make a new part they should either do it right or not at all. And for those that want to buy American, I bet a lot of these parts are actually made in China for vendors here. Keep that in mind. IF they are being made here, then it doesn't say much about American quality, either. Either way, if a part is definitely not right, make sure the vendor knows about it.

In a lot of clubs, it is the club itself that initiates remaking parts. Maybe it's a cumbersome way to do it, but at least then if there's an issue of quality you know maybe why.

CHAMP
09-16-2006, 11:27 AM
Tom, I think your luck is overdue to change for the better!:)

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

HNCadet
09-16-2006, 05:28 PM
Tom,

Please keep us posted as to what the vendor says/does as I am about to order two sets for both my Avanti's. Bob over at Avanti Parts & Resto used to carry them but his website is down. Still sells some items on EBAY tho. Measured my old split gasket and it's 29 3/4" circumference, the other one is still in one continuous circle.

wagone
09-16-2006, 06:51 PM
I agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY with the comments about vendors and manufacturers noted above. I'd like to mention IN PRINT (right here) the vendors I've had good luck with. But since I've purchased from a wide variety of sources those that I would exclude would automatically contemplate calling their attorney (I exaggerate for effect, but only slightly I suspect). SOME of the biggest vendors of STUDE parts have left me DEAD COLD as far as my repeat business is concerned. And by inference some of the smallest have been the nicest people with the best parts--and the kindest to work with! And then there is the question of a warranty against defects....be careful now the attorneys (what would we do without them?) may be looking. And has anyone else questioned a potential conflict of interest?

wagone

Scott
09-16-2006, 07:42 PM
Now a lot of people won't like it, but there needs to be in TW or elsewhere notices about known fit and finish issues with reproduction parts. I've brought this up before and I can tell you three right off the bat:

1. Reproduction Strato-Vue mirrors: defect: won't adjust properly to be useful using the original mounting holes.

2 Reproduction GT hawk birds: defect: cast, not stamped, mounting pins too big and tapered not allowing direct replacement of OEM part.

3. Reproduction GT hawk front fender spears: defect: blunt tip, not matching OEM design. Faulty design of rear portion where it shoulds mate INSIDE the next fender trim piece, but design does NOT allow that fit and forces a basically butt-end connection with the next trim piece, thus allowing the part that's supposed to be hidden to remain seen. This is true on 1962 hawks, but may be different on 1963 and 1964 models.

Sorry I veered off topic a bit Tom. But you should know that you're not alone when buying "reproduction" parts that don't work like the OEM part.

Some parts I have been happy with are the replacement seat belts, GT hawk tail-light lenses and hawk license plate lamp lens.

sbca96
09-17-2006, 02:47 AM
I will take pictures and post them this weekend. I dont mind going
off topic a little. Dont want to turn this into a bashfest either. I
just want my headlight gaskets to fit. Karl (Twin) said that they do
need to be cut and reglued, I have a problem with that, the sun will
cause the glue point to break in short order, and then I will have
the - fogging lens problem I am trying to solve - all over again! I am
going to contact S.I. by email with pictures of the torn seal, & the
headlight gasket seal this weekend, I will keep you all posted.

Tom

sbca96
09-17-2006, 09:33 PM
Here is how well they fit - or dont fit :

Front :

http://hometown.aol.com/sbca96/images/Avantinewimages/avanti_problems/headlight_gasket_001a.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/sbca96/images/Avantinewimages/avanti_problems/headlight_gasket_002a.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/sbca96/images/Avantinewimages/avanti_problems/headlight_gasket_003a.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/sbca96/images/Avantinewimages/avanti_problems/headlight_gasket_004a.jpg

Backside :

http://hometown.aol.com/sbca96/images/Avantinewimages/avanti_problems/headlight_gasket_005a.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/sbca96/images/Avantinewimages/avanti_problems/headlight_gasket_006a.jpg

Tom

Scott
09-17-2006, 10:33 PM
Gee, your lenses must be too small. ;)

sbca96
09-18-2006, 12:07 AM
Well .. dagnabbit!! Yer right! I need duh bigger ones!:D;)

Tom

CHAMP
09-18-2006, 11:30 AM
Looks like the gaskets are on steroids![8D]Tom this bad luck trend of yours has got to be coming to an end:)

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

sbca96
09-19-2006, 03:16 AM
HNCadet, and others ..

S.I. replied back today in regards to the fuel pump kit (posted update
on the other thread) and the headlight gaskets. He said that they are
designed for the GLASS headlight covers, and not the PLASTIC covers
that I have. I didnt even realize there WAS glass ones available. I
guess I remember now that my dads square headlight Avanti has glass
lenses. Its been a while. I still dont understand though, since it
wouldnt matter because the size is the same (or should be). Anyone
have the glass lens that can measure its thickness, and diameter? I'm
thinking that it REALLY shouldnt matter??!! I got the gasket to fit
on the lens if I dont push it on all the way, but it wont sit flush
on the car, and the four slots show inside the rubber. Ick.[xx(]

He said that they SHOULD work on the plastic anyway, but if they dont,
its all they have, and I am welcome to return them.[V]

Tom

Scott
09-19-2006, 02:26 PM
I didn't REALLY think I was right about your lenses being too small. That's just wierd.

Umm, do you think you missed the small print their catalog?

sbca96
09-19-2006, 03:14 PM
In the email this morning, they stated that they tried a gasket on a
plastic lense in stock, and it fit fine. They think I got a bad one.
I only tried one of the gaskets so far - assuming they are all the
same. Maybe someone with a glass lense can give me some details? Its
always possible that my plastic lenses were modified at some point, I
dont know why, but you never know after 40 years!

Tom

Scott
09-19-2006, 03:56 PM
Tom, you have entered the twilight zone. I didn't know it was so close to Santa Barbara.

N8N
09-19-2006, 08:59 PM
It's possible that they got some bad ones, I know that I bought some '62 Lark backup light gaskets a long time ago and they were way too short. I know that that's been rectified now though as I did eventually get some that fit. Repro parts... can't live without them, but sometimes they need a little persuasion to fit right.

nate

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JDP
09-19-2006, 09:20 PM
The repro plasic lens is much thinner and some run small too. I just installed the gasket on the stock Pyrex lens and they fit fine.

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63 Lark 2 dr.
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sbca96
09-20-2006, 12:07 PM
JDP - can you give me two diameter measurements off the glass lens? It
might be easiest for me to check my plastic ones, if you go between
the mounting screws as a guide. Please give a description upper outer
screw to lower inner, and upper inner screw to lower outer as the lens
might be oval for all I know. I need from edge to edge, not screw to
screw.:D;) Thanks!

Tom

JDP
09-20-2006, 01:29 PM
The mounting holes are fixed in the fiberglass nose and don't change. I don't want to risk removing the glass cover to measure.

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Arnold Md.
65 Sports Sedan(sold)
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2/4 speed
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
62 GT(parts car)
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
52 Starliner(sold)
51 Commander

sbca96
09-20-2006, 01:39 PM
You are misunderstanding me, I wanted the lense diameter, measured at
the screw holes - so I can reproduce the measurement. Obviously, the
screw hole locations would be the same between Avantis.

I can understand not wanting to remove the glass. Thanks anyway.

Anyone else have one they can measure?

Tom

Karl
09-20-2006, 11:29 PM
Took mine off.Sent you some pictures to your reg. e-mail. hope that helps:)

sbca96
09-21-2006, 03:28 AM
Thanks Karl .. I will take a look. I am in the heat of the fuel pump
threads. I got the Email.:D;)

Tom