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Randy_G
09-15-2006, 06:15 PM
What was the first year Studebaker put a V-8 in there cars, I found a 51/52 Starlite/bullet nose today and the guy said it had the origional V-8 in it.

Randy_G

www.automotivehistoryonline.com

Transtar56
09-15-2006, 06:17 PM
51 Commander

Transtar56
09-15-2006, 06:17 PM
51 Commander

mbstude
09-15-2006, 07:12 PM
Also, a '52 wouldn't be a bullet nose.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCavatargood3-1.jpg

mbstude
09-15-2006, 07:12 PM
Also, a '52 wouldn't be a bullet nose.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCavatargood3-1.jpg

rockne10
09-15-2006, 08:25 PM
1951 was the first year for the V-8. The engine number, stamped on the passenger side of the block next to the distributor, will reveal if it is the correct engine for the year and the production order, available from the Studebaker National Museum, will reveal if it is the engine originally installed in that chassis.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

rockne10
09-15-2006, 08:25 PM
1951 was the first year for the V-8. The engine number, stamped on the passenger side of the block next to the distributor, will reveal if it is the correct engine for the year and the production order, available from the Studebaker National Museum, will reveal if it is the engine originally installed in that chassis.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

mbstude
09-15-2006, 08:32 PM
quote:Was there a straight eight earlier on?

Sure was, from 1927-1942. Standard on the Presidents and optional on the Commanders and Dictators. Great cars too.

Here's the front end of Dr. Cade's beautiful '31 President 80R Four Season Roadster. (With a straight 8 and OD trans, I might add)
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/artsiecades.jpg

Also, the Stude Indy cars of '31 or '32 (or both?) had straight 8's. With 4 single barrel carbs too. [:p]
Like this:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/34engfin2.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCavatargood3-1.jpg

mbstude
09-15-2006, 08:32 PM
quote:Was there a straight eight earlier on?

Sure was, from 1927-1942. Standard on the Presidents and optional on the Commanders and Dictators. Great cars too.

Here's the front end of Dr. Cade's beautiful '31 President 80R Four Season Roadster. (With a straight 8 and OD trans, I might add)
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/artsiecades.jpg

Also, the Stude Indy cars of '31 or '32 (or both?) had straight 8's. With 4 single barrel carbs too. [:p]
Like this:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/34engfin2.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCavatargood3-1.jpg

rockne10
09-15-2006, 08:41 PM
That's 31, 32 and 33, Matt. They were President eights that underwent some additional engineering. Stan Smith can tell you stories about the trouble he went to to duplicate that engine for the original #37 he and his dad restored in 1980. It's now owned by Bob Valpey. Bob likes to drive it fast and rumor has it may have gotten scratched by rolling in excess of 90 degrees sometime in the recent past...rumor only, mind you. I know nothing.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

rockne10
09-15-2006, 08:41 PM
That's 31, 32 and 33, Matt. They were President eights that underwent some additional engineering. Stan Smith can tell you stories about the trouble he went to to duplicate that engine for the original #37 he and his dad restored in 1980. It's now owned by Bob Valpey. Bob likes to drive it fast and rumor has it may have gotten scratched by rolling in excess of 90 degrees sometime in the recent past...rumor only, mind you. I know nothing.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

mbstude
09-15-2006, 08:44 PM
I couldn't recall if they used them in '33 or not. They were rebodied at some point, was that for '33?
A scratch? Oh no... ;) And to think I drove my '59 into the woods of South GA not long ago to get to our junk yard. Them pine trees can scratch the paint a bit too. [V] Not like the paint on my truck is really that great anyways. :D

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCavatargood3-1.jpg

mbstude
09-15-2006, 08:44 PM
I couldn't recall if they used them in '33 or not. They were rebodied at some point, was that for '33?
A scratch? Oh no... ;) And to think I drove my '59 into the woods of South GA not long ago to get to our junk yard. Them pine trees can scratch the paint a bit too. [V] Not like the paint on my truck is really that great anyways. :D

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCavatargood3-1.jpg

Roscomacaw
09-15-2006, 09:14 PM
I'm rough on my poor, old truck. The other day, the damned tractor didn't wanna run right so I pressed the Transtar into tow duty. Had to go between two low, scratchy trees[V]while towing that freebie '50 Champion around to the back. Pete didn't seem to notice he was pullin' thru soft, plowed dirt. Just put him in low and walked on around to the back with the Champ sedan following along behind.
When he gets a fresh coat of paint, I'll be a bit more careful - for awhile anyway.[}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
09-15-2006, 09:14 PM
I'm rough on my poor, old truck. The other day, the damned tractor didn't wanna run right so I pressed the Transtar into tow duty. Had to go between two low, scratchy trees[V]while towing that freebie '50 Champion around to the back. Pete didn't seem to notice he was pullin' thru soft, plowed dirt. Just put him in low and walked on around to the back with the Champ sedan following along behind.
When he gets a fresh coat of paint, I'll be a bit more careful - for awhile anyway.[}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

rockne10
09-15-2006, 09:15 PM
One car, #37, was an independant effort by Studebaker engineers in 1931. It forget if it was leading or in second place when it went over the wall. It was repaired and won the Pike's Peak Hillclimb that year. Performance so impressed the suits at Studebaker they built four more identical and entered a five car team in 1932. All placed high but did not win. Rebodied for 1933 after wind tunnel tests, again did well but did not win. End of Studebaker Indi team.

It should be noted that other cars and teams used Studebaker engines at Indiannapolis prior to and after this team effort.

Maybe we could get Fred Fox to do his always superlative discourse on this subject for Turning Wheels.

Actually, this thread has been hi-jacked and no longer resembles an inquiry about the first Stude V-8. A new thread should address this topic.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

rockne10
09-15-2006, 09:15 PM
One car, #37, was an independant effort by Studebaker engineers in 1931. It forget if it was leading or in second place when it went over the wall. It was repaired and won the Pike's Peak Hillclimb that year. Performance so impressed the suits at Studebaker they built four more identical and entered a five car team in 1932. All placed high but did not win. Rebodied for 1933 after wind tunnel tests, again did well but did not win. End of Studebaker Indi team.

It should be noted that other cars and teams used Studebaker engines at Indiannapolis prior to and after this team effort.

Maybe we could get Fred Fox to do his always superlative discourse on this subject for Turning Wheels.

Actually, this thread has been hi-jacked and no longer resembles an inquiry about the first Stude V-8. A new thread should address this topic.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

Randy_G
09-15-2006, 09:31 PM
I dont mind the left turn I got my answer, at least I think I did. So just so I understand. Did a bullet nose EVER come from the Factory with a V-8? Thanks guys now go back to your discussion about 32 Studes I dont mind at all.

Randy_G

www.automotivehistoryonline.com

Randy_G
09-15-2006, 09:31 PM
I dont mind the left turn I got my answer, at least I think I did. So just so I understand. Did a bullet nose EVER come from the Factory with a V-8? Thanks guys now go back to your discussion about 32 Studes I dont mind at all.

Randy_G

www.automotivehistoryonline.com

rockne10
09-15-2006, 09:38 PM
Yes, the quintessential Studebaker bulletnose was produced in 1950 and 1951. The 1950 Commander was the last year for the Commander flathead six. In 1951 the Commander was fitted with a 232cid overhead valve V-8. The 1952 no longer sported the bulletnose.

The 51 Starlight in my signature is a 232 V-8.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

rockne10
09-15-2006, 09:38 PM
Yes, the quintessential Studebaker bulletnose was produced in 1950 and 1951. The 1950 Commander was the last year for the Commander flathead six. In 1951 the Commander was fitted with a 232cid overhead valve V-8. The 1952 no longer sported the bulletnose.

The 51 Starlight in my signature is a 232 V-8.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

Randy_G
09-15-2006, 09:47 PM
thank you , I wish the one I found today was as nice as yours..[V]

www.automotivehistoryonline.com

Randy_G
09-15-2006, 09:47 PM
thank you , I wish the one I found today was as nice as yours..[V]

www.automotivehistoryonline.com

rockne10
09-15-2006, 09:53 PM
I bought mine for $450. The paint was shot, the roof was crushed, the upholstery was in tatters and it had been sitting out in the sun for fifteen years; but it was complete and solid. Everyone needs a hobby.:D

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

rockne10
09-15-2006, 09:53 PM
I bought mine for $450. The paint was shot, the roof was crushed, the upholstery was in tatters and it had been sitting out in the sun for fifteen years; but it was complete and solid. Everyone needs a hobby.:D

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

56H-Y6
09-16-2006, 06:55 AM
Hi
To enlarge on the President Eights: The big 337 cu. in. engine in the '29-'33 Presidents is a completely different engine from that in the '34-'42 which is 250 cu. in. That engine began in the '29 Commander FD and became the only eight available from '34 on.
Both are fine power plants, what a shame the Depression market killed off the large one.
Steve

56H-Y6
09-16-2006, 06:55 AM
Hi
To enlarge on the President Eights: The big 337 cu. in. engine in the '29-'33 Presidents is a completely different engine from that in the '34-'42 which is 250 cu. in. That engine began in the '29 Commander FD and became the only eight available from '34 on.
Both are fine power plants, what a shame the Depression market killed off the large one.
Steve

Transtar56
09-19-2006, 07:24 AM
" The 1950 Commander was the last year for the Commander flathead six. "
Just to pick a nit,it was actually only the last year the big Commander six was avialble in cars,trucks kept using it for years after.

Transtar56
09-19-2006, 07:24 AM
" The 1950 Commander was the last year for the Commander flathead six. "
Just to pick a nit,it was actually only the last year the big Commander six was avialble in cars,trucks kept using it for years after.