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studebaker-R2-4-me
07-19-2007, 11:03 PM
I was driving my Hawk home from Home Depot, windows down. It's hot and a thunderstorm had past through about a hour before. A guy pulls up beside me in a New Dodge 4x4. His passenger (35ish) says "man is that a beautiful car What is it?" A Studebaker! "Oh ya FORD made those. Ya Henry Ford's son started that company". I had to tell him that Studebaker was around for 55 years prior to Ford even thought of building a car. I threw it in first gear, the light turned and I laid out a long patch of rubber on the damp pavement. A Studebaker built by Ford! Can you imagine?

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/studebaker-r2-4-me/Hawk-1.jpg

1964 GT Hawk soon to be R2 Clone

JDP
07-19-2007, 11:43 PM
Reading your signature line, I need to add "1964 R2 Hawk kit, some assembly required" to my sig. file.:) Should be in md in a few weeks, can't wait.



http://stude.com/GTkit2.jpg

http://stude.com/GTkit3.jpg

http://stude.com/GTkit.jpg

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
07-19-2007, 11:43 PM
Reading your signature line, I need to add "1964 R2 Hawk kit, some assembly required" to my sig. file.:) Should be in md in a few weeks, can't wait.



http://stude.com/GTkit2.jpg

http://stude.com/GTkit3.jpg

http://stude.com/GTkit.jpg

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

sbca96
07-20-2007, 04:09 AM
Didn't you know??? Studebaker was a sub-division of Edsel, used three
engines, one was a supercharged Ford 289, one was a Packard, and then
they used a Chevy 283. Studebaker had their own cattle ranch that used
a device that held the cows inverted their entire lives, as to not allow
the hides to be damaged. They are still built in Canada today. [:o)];)

Tom

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: 97 Z28 T-56 6-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires

sbca96
07-20-2007, 04:09 AM
Didn't you know??? Studebaker was a sub-division of Edsel, used three
engines, one was a supercharged Ford 289, one was a Packard, and then
they used a Chevy 283. Studebaker had their own cattle ranch that used
a device that held the cows inverted their entire lives, as to not allow
the hides to be damaged. They are still built in Canada today. [:o)];)

Tom

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: 97 Z28 T-56 6-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires

jjones
07-20-2007, 07:16 PM
Inverted cows are built in Canada?

jjones
07-20-2007, 07:16 PM
Inverted cows are built in Canada?

Dick Steinkamp
07-20-2007, 07:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by hotwheels63r2

As fast as that light turned GREEN I dropped the hammer and left him in the dust.



Musta been a 1.7 914 ;)



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Dick Steinkamp
07-20-2007, 07:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by hotwheels63r2

As fast as that light turned GREEN I dropped the hammer and left him in the dust.



Musta been a 1.7 914 ;)



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

N8N
07-20-2007, 07:29 PM
HEY!!!!

nate

(yes, I actually have a 1.7 914, as well as a non-turbo 944... why do I have fast Studes and slow Porsches?)

--
55 Commander Starlight
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

N8N
07-20-2007, 07:29 PM
HEY!!!!

nate

(yes, I actually have a 1.7 914, as well as a non-turbo 944... why do I have fast Studes and slow Porsches?)

--
55 Commander Starlight
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

Dick Steinkamp
07-20-2007, 07:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by N8N
(yes, I actually have a 1.7 914


Sorry, Nate [:I]

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
07-20-2007, 07:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by N8N
(yes, I actually have a 1.7 914


Sorry, Nate [:I]

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Guido
07-20-2007, 07:51 PM
quote: why do I have fast Studes and slow Porsches?
At least you don't have a Vega! :D

Decimal Dude - A bottom drawer guy in a top shelf world

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
07-20-2007, 07:51 PM
quote: why do I have fast Studes and slow Porsches?
At least you don't have a Vega! :D

Decimal Dude - A bottom drawer guy in a top shelf world

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

lstude
07-20-2007, 08:03 PM
This is probably not the place to stick for Porsche, but I was at a stop light last summer and the two front cars at the light were a 65 GTO convertible and a Porsche Carrera, both with the top down. I knew it was going to be a race. When the light changed both cars took off. The GTO smoked his tires and caught rubber in 2nd & 3rd, but the Porsche beat him.

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Mein64DaytonaatBradfieldssm2.jpghttp://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/AlmostreadyforSB6-4.jpg

lstude
07-20-2007, 08:03 PM
This is probably not the place to stick for Porsche, but I was at a stop light last summer and the two front cars at the light were a 65 GTO convertible and a Porsche Carrera, both with the top down. I knew it was going to be a race. When the light changed both cars took off. The GTO smoked his tires and caught rubber in 2nd & 3rd, but the Porsche beat him.

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Mein64DaytonaatBradfieldssm2.jpghttp://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/AlmostreadyforSB6-4.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
07-20-2007, 08:28 PM
quote:Originally posted by lstude
but the Porsche beat him.


The slowest NEW Porsche I can think of is a Cayman (not an S model). They are sub 6 seconds 0-60. There ain't a Stude made that came close to that. Of course there has been 40+ years of automotive development since the last Stude ;).

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
07-20-2007, 08:28 PM
quote:Originally posted by lstude
but the Porsche beat him.


The slowest NEW Porsche I can think of is a Cayman (not an S model). They are sub 6 seconds 0-60. There ain't a Stude made that came close to that. Of course there has been 40+ years of automotive development since the last Stude ;).

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

sbca96
07-21-2007, 06:34 AM
quote:Originally posted by jjones

Inverted cows are built in Canada?

No joke, thats a story I was told about Studebaker, LOVE retelling it.;)


quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp
The slowest NEW Porsche I can think of is a Cayman (not an S model). They are sub 6 seconds 0-60. There ain't a Stude made that came close to that.

What about the Excaliber?;)

http://www.javelinamx.com/batmobile/batwhl09.jpg

Tom

sbca96
07-21-2007, 06:34 AM
quote:Originally posted by jjones

Inverted cows are built in Canada?

No joke, thats a story I was told about Studebaker, LOVE retelling it.;)


quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp
The slowest NEW Porsche I can think of is a Cayman (not an S model). They are sub 6 seconds 0-60. There ain't a Stude made that came close to that.

What about the Excaliber?;)

http://www.javelinamx.com/batmobile/batwhl09.jpg

Tom

Guido
07-21-2007, 08:02 AM
quote: Musta been a 1.7 914 ;)
Whoa fellow, lay off those decimals! [}:)]

Decimal dude ($1.00 U.S. = $.957854 CDN)

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
07-21-2007, 08:02 AM
quote: Musta been a 1.7 914 ;)
Whoa fellow, lay off those decimals! [}:)]

Decimal dude ($1.00 U.S. = $.957854 CDN)

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

JeffDeWitt
07-21-2007, 08:13 AM
quote:My guess is he never saw a Hawk take a corner and It was all I could do to stay in front of him. The Porsche was reeving and shifting , but I drove away until my common sense meter hit 80 MPH.

A few times I've been driving my Jeep and had little stoplight incidents with guys in 5.0 Mustangs. I'd go for it right up to about the speed limit (I'm no idiot!) and beat them handily <G>. Of course I expect that if we had kept on going the Mustangs would have pulled away (as would the Porsche over your Hawk), but on public roads we will never know!

Jeff DeWitt

JeffDeWitt
07-21-2007, 08:13 AM
quote:My guess is he never saw a Hawk take a corner and It was all I could do to stay in front of him. The Porsche was reeving and shifting , but I drove away until my common sense meter hit 80 MPH.

A few times I've been driving my Jeep and had little stoplight incidents with guys in 5.0 Mustangs. I'd go for it right up to about the speed limit (I'm no idiot!) and beat them handily <G>. Of course I expect that if we had kept on going the Mustangs would have pulled away (as would the Porsche over your Hawk), but on public roads we will never know!

Jeff DeWitt

Dick Steinkamp
07-21-2007, 10:15 AM
quote:Originally posted by Guido


quote: Musta been a 1.7 914 ;)
Whoa fellow, lay off those decimals! [}:)]


Sorry [:I]. Shoulda said 1700 cc's.



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
07-21-2007, 10:15 AM
quote:Originally posted by Guido


quote: Musta been a 1.7 914 ;)
Whoa fellow, lay off those decimals! [}:)]


Sorry [:I]. Shoulda said 1700 cc's.



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

sumf
07-21-2007, 10:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by Guido

[quote] why do I have fast Studes and slow Porsches?
At least you don't have a Vega! :D

Decimal Dude - A bottom drawer guy in a top shelf world

I used to own the good Vega.

Got it at 25 K miles
Sold it at 75 K Miles.

One thermostat
One axle seal

(and one flying off fan blade that severed the hose/tank outlet nipple interface.

Mild custom paint work m,aade iot too ore Cameroish.

Karl

sumf
07-21-2007, 10:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by Guido

[quote] why do I have fast Studes and slow Porsches?
At least you don't have a Vega! :D

Decimal Dude - A bottom drawer guy in a top shelf world

I used to own the good Vega.

Got it at 25 K miles
Sold it at 75 K Miles.

One thermostat
One axle seal

(and one flying off fan blade that severed the hose/tank outlet nipple interface.

Mild custom paint work m,aade iot too ore Cameroish.

Karl

Guido
07-21-2007, 10:34 PM
Around 1979 a family lived across the street from me and had a Vega with a vinyl top. Water must have gotten behind the vinyl because when he stripped it off the roof was rusted through. [:0] He spent a bunch of time on it and still hadn't finished it when they moved.

Meanwhile, I had a '61 4 speed Hawk that didn't require work! :D (though I rebuilt the carb on the kitchen table)

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
07-21-2007, 10:34 PM
Around 1979 a family lived across the street from me and had a Vega with a vinyl top. Water must have gotten behind the vinyl because when he stripped it off the roof was rusted through. [:0] He spent a bunch of time on it and still hadn't finished it when they moved.

Meanwhile, I had a '61 4 speed Hawk that didn't require work! :D (though I rebuilt the carb on the kitchen table)

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Allan Songer
07-22-2007, 12:37 AM
The Costworth Vega. Went like STINK--handled amazingly well for what it was. Very few made--very few survive. I've always thought they were pretty cool--sort of an American Lotus-Cortina (well, not THAT cool!).

http://www.cosworthvega.com/gallery_pictures/1002_0372.jpg

http://www.cosworthvega.com/gallery_pictures/11495Cosengine1.jpg

Allan Songer
07-22-2007, 12:37 AM
The Costworth Vega. Went like STINK--handled amazingly well for what it was. Very few made--very few survive. I've always thought they were pretty cool--sort of an American Lotus-Cortina (well, not THAT cool!).

http://www.cosworthvega.com/gallery_pictures/1002_0372.jpg

http://www.cosworthvega.com/gallery_pictures/11495Cosengine1.jpg

sbca96
07-22-2007, 01:16 AM
A buddy of mine back in High School (1988) put a Chevy V8 into one of
those Vegas. It went like a rocket (in more ways then one).

Tom

sbca96
07-22-2007, 01:16 AM
A buddy of mine back in High School (1988) put a Chevy V8 into one of
those Vegas. It went like a rocket (in more ways then one).

Tom

stude freak
07-22-2007, 04:18 AM
I was playing dominoes tonight in'POGO' this guy sat down across from me and asked if i had a Stude,(my nickname is strlitcpe)in there.I replied i did he said my dad has a 50 starlightcoupe.I said you are prob the only guy in here that knows what the name means.He replied i bought a 63 Avanti new right after high school.The next day i got my draft notice, sold it and went into the army never saw it again.

David Baggett '53 coupe

stude freak
07-22-2007, 04:18 AM
I was playing dominoes tonight in'POGO' this guy sat down across from me and asked if i had a Stude,(my nickname is strlitcpe)in there.I replied i did he said my dad has a 50 starlightcoupe.I said you are prob the only guy in here that knows what the name means.He replied i bought a 63 Avanti new right after high school.The next day i got my draft notice, sold it and went into the army never saw it again.

David Baggett '53 coupe

Bill Pressler
07-22-2007, 07:56 AM
Allan Songer--

That picture is of an old (no longer, long story)friend's Cosworth Vega. It is no. 372 and was sold new by our local dealer, Dart Chevrolet-Cadillac, Greenville, PA. When I was 17 I went on a "thrill ride" in it when it was still new and unsold--driven by a car salesman friend of ours. We went up over "West Main Hill" (where everybody 'test drove' cars) and I remember it hitting 85 (miraculous for a Vega!). When I commented on that, the salesman, Claude, said, "Hell, I'm not in fourth gear yet"!

The car languished unsold and was finally sold in '76 for $4800-odd dollars--down from the sticker of $6300. An old lady who had worked at Thiel College in town bought it because "it reminded (her) of a gentleman friend's old black Corvair". She traded in a '72 Nova for it. She died maybe five or ten years later, and the car traded hands several times 'til in the late '90's it ended up at a Chevy dealer in Mercer, PA, fifteen miles away. My friend negotiated a good deal (it had only 13K miles at that time) and as far as I know still owns it. All the original paperwork was with it and it was indeed the one I had ridden in over twenty years earlier (our dealer only sold one).

I always liked them too. Ridiculous pricing when new though.

One last thing...it was sitting in the local public library parking lot while still owned by the original littlel-old-lady owner. My friend (future owner) was admiring it as he came out of the library and proceeded to tap on the fenders where Vegas usually rust out. He then saw the owner sitting in the car! He explained his interest in the car and she was OK with that.

More info than you needed to know, but I recognize the car from the front license plate and background as my (ex-) friend's Cosworth.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1

Bill Pressler
07-22-2007, 07:56 AM
Allan Songer--

That picture is of an old (no longer, long story)friend's Cosworth Vega. It is no. 372 and was sold new by our local dealer, Dart Chevrolet-Cadillac, Greenville, PA. When I was 17 I went on a "thrill ride" in it when it was still new and unsold--driven by a car salesman friend of ours. We went up over "West Main Hill" (where everybody 'test drove' cars) and I remember it hitting 85 (miraculous for a Vega!). When I commented on that, the salesman, Claude, said, "Hell, I'm not in fourth gear yet"!

The car languished unsold and was finally sold in '76 for $4800-odd dollars--down from the sticker of $6300. An old lady who had worked at Thiel College in town bought it because "it reminded (her) of a gentleman friend's old black Corvair". She traded in a '72 Nova for it. She died maybe five or ten years later, and the car traded hands several times 'til in the late '90's it ended up at a Chevy dealer in Mercer, PA, fifteen miles away. My friend negotiated a good deal (it had only 13K miles at that time) and as far as I know still owns it. All the original paperwork was with it and it was indeed the one I had ridden in over twenty years earlier (our dealer only sold one).

I always liked them too. Ridiculous pricing when new though.

One last thing...it was sitting in the local public library parking lot while still owned by the original littlel-old-lady owner. My friend (future owner) was admiring it as he came out of the library and proceeded to tap on the fenders where Vegas usually rust out. He then saw the owner sitting in the car! He explained his interest in the car and she was OK with that.

More info than you needed to know, but I recognize the car from the front license plate and background as my (ex-) friend's Cosworth.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1

fmarshall
08-09-2007, 12:49 AM
quote:Originally posted by hotwheels63r2

I ran into a SB born guy in a new Porsche last weekend. He had his girl with him (10 yrs younger at least)

He had the top down and was yelling over to me telling me how he lived in SB and loved studes. He said the HAwk looked great and asked if it was a stick, or automatic. HE asked if mine had a Paxton, and what engine size I was running.


We talked a quick second and I heard the Porsche rev up a bit.

As fast as that light turned GREEN I dropped the hammer and left him in the dust.


My guess is he never saw a Hawk take a corner and It was all I could do to stay in front of him. The Porsche was reeving and shifting , but I drove away until my common sense meter hit 80 MPH.


I suspect he'll be looking for an R2 HAwk soon. I hope he gets a good trade in value on that Porsche!!! True story. Studebakers still rule around here.





Well, it isn't quite fair to just say Porsche, without giving a complete description, like R2 Hawk to distinguish blown from naturally aspirated.

I have owned 4 Porsches and 3 Studebakers. My 62 Gt hawk, could clearly have out accelerated either my 912 or my 356, but was clearly out matched in the cornering department. I had a 911SC and do currently have a Cayman S, and the 911 would out run and out handle my Avanti R2, 4 Speed.

The Cayman S wins outright. I can take turns at the limit that would cause the Avanti to leave the road surface ( and possibly need the roll bar).

Now I'm not saying that the Hawk ( and even your Hawk ) aren't great cars. I know mine was nice and it was 3 decades ago, so I'm sure it ran well. But a fight needs to be qualified to be fair.

fmarshall
08-09-2007, 12:49 AM
quote:Originally posted by hotwheels63r2

I ran into a SB born guy in a new Porsche last weekend. He had his girl with him (10 yrs younger at least)

He had the top down and was yelling over to me telling me how he lived in SB and loved studes. He said the HAwk looked great and asked if it was a stick, or automatic. HE asked if mine had a Paxton, and what engine size I was running.


We talked a quick second and I heard the Porsche rev up a bit.

As fast as that light turned GREEN I dropped the hammer and left him in the dust.


My guess is he never saw a Hawk take a corner and It was all I could do to stay in front of him. The Porsche was reeving and shifting , but I drove away until my common sense meter hit 80 MPH.


I suspect he'll be looking for an R2 HAwk soon. I hope he gets a good trade in value on that Porsche!!! True story. Studebakers still rule around here.





Well, it isn't quite fair to just say Porsche, without giving a complete description, like R2 Hawk to distinguish blown from naturally aspirated.

I have owned 4 Porsches and 3 Studebakers. My 62 Gt hawk, could clearly have out accelerated either my 912 or my 356, but was clearly out matched in the cornering department. I had a 911SC and do currently have a Cayman S, and the 911 would out run and out handle my Avanti R2, 4 Speed.

The Cayman S wins outright. I can take turns at the limit that would cause the Avanti to leave the road surface ( and possibly need the roll bar).

Now I'm not saying that the Hawk ( and even your Hawk ) aren't great cars. I know mine was nice and it was 3 decades ago, so I'm sure it ran well. But a fight needs to be qualified to be fair.

lstude
08-09-2007, 04:19 AM
quote:A Studebaker! "Oh ya FORD made those. Ya Henry Ford's son started that company". I had to tell him that Studebaker was around for 55 years prior to Ford even thought of building a car. I threw it in first gear, the light turned and I laid out a long patch of rubber on the damp pavement. A Studebaker built by Ford! Can you imagine?


Maybe some people are getting the idea that Ford built Studebaker by this Snap-on Tools CD. Scroll down until you see the
57 Ford Studebaker Golden Hawk

http://cgi.ebay.com/SNAP-ON-TOOLS-CLASSIC-CAR-DVD-w-8-CLASSIC-ROAD-SONGS_W0QQitemZ170138414107QQihZ007QQcategoryZ14042QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem



Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Mein64DaytonaatBradfieldssm2.jpghttp://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/AlmostreadyforSB6-4.jpg

lstude
08-09-2007, 04:19 AM
quote:A Studebaker! "Oh ya FORD made those. Ya Henry Ford's son started that company". I had to tell him that Studebaker was around for 55 years prior to Ford even thought of building a car. I threw it in first gear, the light turned and I laid out a long patch of rubber on the damp pavement. A Studebaker built by Ford! Can you imagine?


Maybe some people are getting the idea that Ford built Studebaker by this Snap-on Tools CD. Scroll down until you see the
57 Ford Studebaker Golden Hawk

http://cgi.ebay.com/SNAP-ON-TOOLS-CLASSIC-CAR-DVD-w-8-CLASSIC-ROAD-SONGS_W0QQitemZ170138414107QQihZ007QQcategoryZ14042QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem



Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Mein64DaytonaatBradfieldssm2.jpghttp://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/AlmostreadyforSB6-4.jpg

65cruiser
08-09-2007, 07:18 AM
This is freakin' great. Now, those "people" have proof.[}:)]


quote:Maybe some people are getting the idea that Ford built Studebaker by this Snap-on Tools CD. Scroll down until you see the
57 Ford Studebaker Golden Hawk

Mark Anderson
1965 Cruiser
http://home.alltel.net/anderm
Home of the Cruiser Registry

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/smstude.jpg

65cruiser
08-09-2007, 07:18 AM
This is freakin' great. Now, those "people" have proof.[}:)]


quote:Maybe some people are getting the idea that Ford built Studebaker by this Snap-on Tools CD. Scroll down until you see the
57 Ford Studebaker Golden Hawk

Mark Anderson
1965 Cruiser
http://home.alltel.net/anderm
Home of the Cruiser Registry

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/smstude.jpg

stude53
08-09-2007, 08:44 AM
(Quote from Tom - "Studebaker had their own cattle ranch that used
a device that held the cows inverted their entire lives, as to not allow the hides to be damaged. They are still built in Canada today.")

Nothing new under the sun, Tom. Have it on good authority. from my father who heard it from his father, etc., that In Virginia(circa 1902), the milk cows were taught to lay on their backs so the cream would rise to the top before milking.

Here in NC, it is "as hot as Dick Pepper when his Daddy died". 102 degrees yesterday. Must be frying my brain.

[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

stude53
08-09-2007, 08:44 AM
(Quote from Tom - "Studebaker had their own cattle ranch that used
a device that held the cows inverted their entire lives, as to not allow the hides to be damaged. They are still built in Canada today.")

Nothing new under the sun, Tom. Have it on good authority. from my father who heard it from his father, etc., that In Virginia(circa 1902), the milk cows were taught to lay on their backs so the cream would rise to the top before milking.

Here in NC, it is "as hot as Dick Pepper when his Daddy died". 102 degrees yesterday. Must be frying my brain.

[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

JRoberts
08-09-2007, 09:06 AM
..and in the mountains we have cows with left legs longer than the right ones so they don't fall over and roll down hill. Natural selection makes this all happen....

Joe Roberts

JRoberts
08-09-2007, 09:06 AM
..and in the mountains we have cows with left legs longer than the right ones so they don't fall over and roll down hill. Natural selection makes this all happen....

Joe Roberts

Guido
08-09-2007, 12:08 PM
quote:Originally posted by JRoberts

..and in the mountains we have cows with left legs longer than the right ones so they don't fall over and roll down hill. Natural selection makes this all happen....
Works well with one way cows, but the return trip can be hell.:D

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
08-09-2007, 12:08 PM
quote:Originally posted by JRoberts

..and in the mountains we have cows with left legs longer than the right ones so they don't fall over and roll down hill. Natural selection makes this all happen....
Works well with one way cows, but the return trip can be hell.:D

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Roscomacaw
08-09-2007, 06:38 PM
He forgot to mention that the cows completely circumnavigate a mountain each day. That way, only the legs on one side need be longer. Scientists refer to the larger legs (given they allow the cows to circumnavigate) "circum-sized legs";)



Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
08-09-2007, 06:38 PM
He forgot to mention that the cows completely circumnavigate a mountain each day. That way, only the legs on one side need be longer. Scientists refer to the larger legs (given they allow the cows to circumnavigate) "circum-sized legs";)



Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Laemmle
08-10-2007, 11:50 AM
Except for the Sparks twin Paxton!



quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


quote:Originally posted by lstude
but the Porsche beat him.


The slowest NEW Porsche I can think of is a Cayman (not an S model). They are sub 6 seconds 0-60. There ain't a Stude made that came close to that. Of course there has been 40+ years of automotive development since the last Stude ;).

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Laemmle
08-10-2007, 11:50 AM
Except for the Sparks twin Paxton!



quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


quote:Originally posted by lstude
but the Porsche beat him.


The slowest NEW Porsche I can think of is a Cayman (not an S model). They are sub 6 seconds 0-60. There ain't a Stude made that came close to that. Of course there has been 40+ years of automotive development since the last Stude ;).

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Laemmle
08-10-2007, 11:53 AM
Back in tghe 70's a crazy bastard here on Long Island named Blumenstock stuffed a 396 in a Vega........beyond words!



quote:Originally posted by sbca96

A buddy of mine back in High School (1988) put a Chevy V8 into one of
those Vegas. It went like a rocket (in more ways then one).

Tom

Laemmle
08-10-2007, 11:53 AM
Back in tghe 70's a crazy bastard here on Long Island named Blumenstock stuffed a 396 in a Vega........beyond words!



quote:Originally posted by sbca96

A buddy of mine back in High School (1988) put a Chevy V8 into one of
those Vegas. It went like a rocket (in more ways then one).

Tom