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glen
07-19-2007, 11:42 AM
I thought I would share the good news and the not so good news..[}:)]
Also to let Anne and Leonard...they are not alone....though my issues
are minor compared to theirs.

On the positive side, the brakes work, just great now....course this
was after finding the fittings to be leaking the brake fluid and 1 line
bursting while on a test drive. We have a new sending unit, for the
gas....along with a "semi" new gauge cluster from "JDP" and now
everything works, including the temp gauge. After installing the 2nd
new fuel pump, from Studeparts.com in Phoenix...we were able to start
it up and ran like a "Champ"[:p] excuse the verabge....for about 15 min,
then it just died [xx(]....again...The guys took the pump off did a bench
test...had vacuum....took the old pump...bench tested and had a vacuum,
but no vacuum in the line[?] Our next best guess is, that it is an "gizmo"
inside with the cam, that works with the fuel pump, that has broken :(

Other than that, just another day at "Tumbleweed Flats" [8D]


http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

Dick Steinkamp
07-19-2007, 11:47 AM
Your fuel delivery problem may not be the fuel pump. Crud in the tank, crud in the fuel lines, pin hole in fuel line, bad fuel filter, stuck needle and seat.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
07-19-2007, 11:47 AM
Your fuel delivery problem may not be the fuel pump. Crud in the tank, crud in the fuel lines, pin hole in fuel line, bad fuel filter, stuck needle and seat.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

glen
07-19-2007, 11:54 AM
Thanks Dick...the mechanic belives without knowing for sure, until
he removes the cover to look inside, is that what cause the 1st new
fuel pump to break and then it went south itself, during yesterday's
idling...I will see him tomorrow real early and will make sure they
look at these items as well!

Thanks again!

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

glen
07-19-2007, 11:54 AM
Thanks Dick...the mechanic belives without knowing for sure, until
he removes the cover to look inside, is that what cause the 1st new
fuel pump to break and then it went south itself, during yesterday's
idling...I will see him tomorrow real early and will make sure they
look at these items as well!

Thanks again!

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

showbizkid
07-19-2007, 12:26 PM
Aw Glen, sorry to hear about your troubles. Somewhere, Charlene is wishing she was home to make you feel better :(


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

showbizkid
07-19-2007, 12:26 PM
Aw Glen, sorry to hear about your troubles. Somewhere, Charlene is wishing she was home to make you feel better :(


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

JDP
07-19-2007, 12:37 PM
I sure hope he knows enough to put the pump arm under the cam and not just stick it in the hole. Before you pay to have the front of the engine pulled off, make damn sure he's at least tried to run the engine off a gas can to eliminate the tank/line. It is possible I guess that a defective, or improperly installed pump knocked the cam loose, but I've never seen it happen.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
07-19-2007, 12:37 PM
I sure hope he knows enough to put the pump arm under the cam and not just stick it in the hole. Before you pay to have the front of the engine pulled off, make damn sure he's at least tried to run the engine off a gas can to eliminate the tank/line. It is possible I guess that a defective, or improperly installed pump knocked the cam loose, but I've never seen it happen.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

ROADRACELARK
07-19-2007, 12:56 PM
Make sure you also check the vent tube for the fuel tank. You never know when a winged insect just might decide to make a home in the end of that vent line. The OEM gas caps for,(IMMIC), 62-66 Lark bodied cars, are not vented. The vent tube comes off of the filler neck inside the trunk, goes across the rear body panel, up beside the left tail light, then back down through a rubber grommet in the trunk floor pan. Hope this may help.:)

Dan Miller
Atlanta, GA

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Road Racers turn left AND right.

ROADRACELARK
07-19-2007, 12:56 PM
Make sure you also check the vent tube for the fuel tank. You never know when a winged insect just might decide to make a home in the end of that vent line. The OEM gas caps for,(IMMIC), 62-66 Lark bodied cars, are not vented. The vent tube comes off of the filler neck inside the trunk, goes across the rear body panel, up beside the left tail light, then back down through a rubber grommet in the trunk floor pan. Hope this may help.:)

Dan Miller
Atlanta, GA

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Road Racers turn left AND right.

bams50
07-19-2007, 02:06 PM
Years ago my father had a customer's 67 Chrysler in for a similar problem. After his usual diagnostic procedure we pulled the gas tank and found a grasshopper wedged head-first into the pickup! My father determined that the grasshopper would fall out after the car sat a while, then run fine; but on random occasions (usually when the gas got low) it would get sucked up and stop the car again!

That solved the problem; never gave the customer any more trouble in 12 more years!

So: You never know!

Hopefully you'll get the problems resolved soon; and then be able to write something GOOD about the poor old girl!;)

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

bams50
07-19-2007, 02:06 PM
Years ago my father had a customer's 67 Chrysler in for a similar problem. After his usual diagnostic procedure we pulled the gas tank and found a grasshopper wedged head-first into the pickup! My father determined that the grasshopper would fall out after the car sat a while, then run fine; but on random occasions (usually when the gas got low) it would get sucked up and stop the car again!

That solved the problem; never gave the customer any more trouble in 12 more years!

So: You never know!

Hopefully you'll get the problems resolved soon; and then be able to write something GOOD about the poor old girl!;)

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

StudeRich
07-19-2007, 02:16 PM
What is wrong with a good flashlight to LOOK at the cam lobe, he should be able to get a clue what is going on, if anything without pulling the whole front end of the engine apart. If you poke the cam lobe with a screwdriver and it moves, then it is loose on the camshaft. Also, what JDP said could be spot-on!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
07-19-2007, 02:16 PM
What is wrong with a good flashlight to LOOK at the cam lobe, he should be able to get a clue what is going on, if anything without pulling the whole front end of the engine apart. If you poke the cam lobe with a screwdriver and it moves, then it is loose on the camshaft. Also, what JDP said could be spot-on!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

glen
07-19-2007, 02:56 PM
Thanks guys, the 2 mechanic's, both into classic cars themselves, but of
different "breeds", have pretty much ruled out the gas tank and what might
be in the lines....unless proven otherwise, when they take the cover off.
They believe, right now, it's the "tang" on the elliptic, that has either broken
or has become bent, which they agree shouldn't happen, which then prohibits
the fuel pump to work as it should....They can get 15 lbs of vacuum when bench
testing the fuel pumps, even the old original leaky one, but 5 or less when
connected to the car....more tomorrow! Say tuned....:)




http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

glen
07-19-2007, 02:56 PM
Thanks guys, the 2 mechanic's, both into classic cars themselves, but of
different "breeds", have pretty much ruled out the gas tank and what might
be in the lines....unless proven otherwise, when they take the cover off.
They believe, right now, it's the "tang" on the elliptic, that has either broken
or has become bent, which they agree shouldn't happen, which then prohibits
the fuel pump to work as it should....They can get 15 lbs of vacuum when bench
testing the fuel pumps, even the old original leaky one, but 5 or less when
connected to the car....more tomorrow! Say tuned....:)




http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

JDP
07-19-2007, 04:15 PM
There is no "tang", it's a cam and the only failure I could think of is for the bolt to come loose, but just don't buy it. Much more likely that the pump arm is bent wrong for example. I had one repro pump here that worked great on the bench, but would not pump on the engine because it was not getting enough stroke. I'd have them probe the cam through the fuel pump hole before I paid them to pull the front of the engine.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
07-19-2007, 04:15 PM
There is no "tang", it's a cam and the only failure I could think of is for the bolt to come loose, but just don't buy it. Much more likely that the pump arm is bent wrong for example. I had one repro pump here that worked great on the bench, but would not pump on the engine because it was not getting enough stroke. I'd have them probe the cam through the fuel pump hole before I paid them to pull the front of the engine.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

62champ
07-20-2007, 09:18 AM
I had the same problem some years back with a 62 V8. Thought it was inside the motor as well because it would not pump much gas on two different pumps.

Ended up being these "new" pumps you can buy today. They developed enough slack inside where the pump works that it would hardly pump anything at all. You could pump them by hand and they would shoot gas half the length of the car, but not enough to run well on the motor when bolted to the block. Also had problems with these pumps when the check valves would come loose and stop pumping - think I went through three fuel in two years.

Good luck.

1960 Lark VI - 1962 7E7-122
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/th7E7-11-20021.jpg

62champ
07-20-2007, 09:18 AM
I had the same problem some years back with a 62 V8. Thought it was inside the motor as well because it would not pump much gas on two different pumps.

Ended up being these "new" pumps you can buy today. They developed enough slack inside where the pump works that it would hardly pump anything at all. You could pump them by hand and they would shoot gas half the length of the car, but not enough to run well on the motor when bolted to the block. Also had problems with these pumps when the check valves would come loose and stop pumping - think I went through three fuel in two years.

Good luck.

1960 Lark VI - 1962 7E7-122
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/th7E7-11-20021.jpg

glen
07-20-2007, 09:47 AM
Thanks, that is always a thought...though Studeparts in Phoenix
haven't had any real problems with these f/p and they do stand
behind what they sale....well at least until this 64 Daytona came
along :)

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

glen
07-20-2007, 09:47 AM
Thanks, that is always a thought...though Studeparts in Phoenix
haven't had any real problems with these f/p and they do stand
behind what they sale....well at least until this 64 Daytona came
along :)

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

glen
07-25-2007, 04:42 PM
update 25 July 2007,

After getting 2 fuel pumps from Studeparts in Phoenix and not
either working properly, in fact the 1st one self destructed on
itself....you may remember we thought there was something wrong
inside....took off the cover to see if anything was wrong inside[xx(]
there wasn't[:p] So we went to a local N@P@ store today and were
able to get a Carter pump....looks just about the same as the other
"new" one;)....put it on the bench and did a vacuum test, it
had vacuum....bolted it on and fired right up and ran....Looking
at both Studeparts and the one from N@P@ .... there is alot
more (lose) play in the arm from Studeparts than the one from
N@P@, If that makes the difference......[?]

So things are Looking good!!!![8D]

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

glen
07-25-2007, 04:42 PM
update 25 July 2007,

After getting 2 fuel pumps from Studeparts in Phoenix and not
either working properly, in fact the 1st one self destructed on
itself....you may remember we thought there was something wrong
inside....took off the cover to see if anything was wrong inside[xx(]
there wasn't[:p] So we went to a local N@P@ store today and were
able to get a Carter pump....looks just about the same as the other
"new" one;)....put it on the bench and did a vacuum test, it
had vacuum....bolted it on and fired right up and ran....Looking
at both Studeparts and the one from N@P@ .... there is alot
more (lose) play in the arm from Studeparts than the one from
N@P@, If that makes the difference......[?]

So things are Looking good!!!![8D]

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

53k
07-25-2007, 05:03 PM
quote:Originally posted by glen

update 25 July 2007,

After getting 2 fuel pumps from Studeparts in Phoenix and not
either working properly, in fact the 1st one self destructed on
itself....you may remember we thought there was something wrong
inside....took off the cover to see if anything was wrong inside[xx(]
there wasn't[:p] So we went to a local N@P@ store today and were
able to get a Carter pump....looks just about the same as the other
"new" one;)....put it on the bench and did a vacuum test, it
had vacuum....bolted it on and fired right up and ran....Looking
at both Studeparts and the one from N@P@ .... there is alot
more (lose) play in the arm from Studeparts than the one from
N@P@, If that makes the difference......[?]
So things are Looking good!!!![8D]

I didn't know Carter pumps could still be had. When the man working on my Wagonaire couldn't get my recently rebuilt original Carter pump to work, he cut off the arm and used the pump as a block-off plate[V]. The problem was a hose at the back where I once had an electric pump. It was cracked and allowing air in the line. My Wagonaire, even with a new vendor-supplied pump acts like it isn't getting enough fuel. Guess I'll lok for a Carter at Napa.


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'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

53k
07-25-2007, 05:03 PM
quote:Originally posted by glen

update 25 July 2007,

After getting 2 fuel pumps from Studeparts in Phoenix and not
either working properly, in fact the 1st one self destructed on
itself....you may remember we thought there was something wrong
inside....took off the cover to see if anything was wrong inside[xx(]
there wasn't[:p] So we went to a local N@P@ store today and were
able to get a Carter pump....looks just about the same as the other
"new" one;)....put it on the bench and did a vacuum test, it
had vacuum....bolted it on and fired right up and ran....Looking
at both Studeparts and the one from N@P@ .... there is alot
more (lose) play in the arm from Studeparts than the one from
N@P@, If that makes the difference......[?]
So things are Looking good!!!![8D]

I didn't know Carter pumps could still be had. When the man working on my Wagonaire couldn't get my recently rebuilt original Carter pump to work, he cut off the arm and used the pump as a block-off plate[V]. The problem was a hose at the back where I once had an electric pump. It was cracked and allowing air in the line. My Wagonaire, even with a new vendor-supplied pump acts like it isn't getting enough fuel. Guess I'll lok for a Carter at Napa.


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'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

glen
07-25-2007, 08:52 PM
Forget the earlier post.....the Daytona from "Hades"
died after about 10 minutes of idle....so all the
new pumps go back and we're going to rebuild
the old leaky one, that we knew worked from
the get-go!


http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

glen
07-25-2007, 08:52 PM
Forget the earlier post.....the Daytona from "Hades"
died after about 10 minutes of idle....so all the
new pumps go back and we're going to rebuild
the old leaky one, that we knew worked from
the get-go!


http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

JDP
07-25-2007, 09:20 PM
I tried my best to keep you from pulling the front off that engine. I assume you did try and run the car off a hose to a gas can and got the same result ? BTW, I have had a issue with a few of the vendor pumps, but not three of them in a row.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
07-25-2007, 09:20 PM
I tried my best to keep you from pulling the front off that engine. I assume you did try and run the car off a hose to a gas can and got the same result ? BTW, I have had a issue with a few of the vendor pumps, but not three of them in a row.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

glen
07-25-2007, 09:30 PM
Yes we tried the hose in the can, that was the last
thing they did....prior to pulling the lid....but at
least we know that the insides look pretty darn good!

Thanks though!!!!

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

glen
07-25-2007, 09:30 PM
Yes we tried the hose in the can, that was the last
thing they did....prior to pulling the lid....but at
least we know that the insides look pretty darn good!

Thanks though!!!!

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

Dick Steinkamp
07-25-2007, 09:30 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP
...but not three of them in a row.


I'm with JP. My guess is that you'll rebuild the old pump and no change.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
07-25-2007, 09:30 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP
...but not three of them in a row.


I'm with JP. My guess is that you'll rebuild the old pump and no change.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

mbstude
07-25-2007, 09:32 PM
I agree with JP and Dick. Are you sure it isn't a line or pickup tube problem?
I thought the same about my truck for a while, and kept changing fuel pumps. Turns out a piece of silicone had gotten into the tank (from replacing the sending unit) and was clogging up the lines. :(

Or, why not just stick on an auxiliary electrip pump?

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

mbstude
07-25-2007, 09:32 PM
I agree with JP and Dick. Are you sure it isn't a line or pickup tube problem?
I thought the same about my truck for a while, and kept changing fuel pumps. Turns out a piece of silicone had gotten into the tank (from replacing the sending unit) and was clogging up the lines. :(

Or, why not just stick on an auxiliary electrip pump?

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

JDP
07-25-2007, 09:37 PM
OK, it won't run off a gas can with a new hose, and the pump cam is fine, that only leaves all the pumps you tried as the culprit if it's a fuel supply issue.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
07-25-2007, 09:37 PM
OK, it won't run off a gas can with a new hose, and the pump cam is fine, that only leaves all the pumps you tried as the culprit if it's a fuel supply issue.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

showbizkid
07-26-2007, 12:55 AM
But where was the hose and can attached to? The pump or the carb? If it was hooked to the carb and still died, there's an induction problem.


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

showbizkid
07-26-2007, 12:55 AM
But where was the hose and can attached to? The pump or the carb? If it was hooked to the carb and still died, there's an induction problem.


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

studegary
07-26-2007, 02:45 PM
I still think that your "mechanic" may be installing the fuel pumps with the lever on the incorrect side of the cam.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
07-26-2007, 02:45 PM
I still think that your "mechanic" may be installing the fuel pumps with the lever on the incorrect side of the cam.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

glen
07-26-2007, 03:43 PM
No....he is putting them on same way the original one, was placed.
Plus he had worked on my 53 sedan, when it needed a new fuel
pump. With advise from Chuck Collins of Studeparts in Phoenix,
we are going to order a rebuild kit from Stude Intl, for the
old leaky origninal fuel pump, because other than leaking it
has worked, anytime we experimented. We have also seen that
the arms on the one from StudeParts and from NAPA are just
that much differnet in height, from the original one, that
could be the problem, as well.....The pump that we got from
NAPA in not a Carter....it is an AIRTEX....placed in a Carter
Box, with a NAPA label on it....so there, another reproduced
pump, that may not be to original mfg spec....but somewhere
close.....but not close enought............stay tuned!

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

glen
07-26-2007, 03:43 PM
No....he is putting them on same way the original one, was placed.
Plus he had worked on my 53 sedan, when it needed a new fuel
pump. With advise from Chuck Collins of Studeparts in Phoenix,
we are going to order a rebuild kit from Stude Intl, for the
old leaky origninal fuel pump, because other than leaking it
has worked, anytime we experimented. We have also seen that
the arms on the one from StudeParts and from NAPA are just
that much differnet in height, from the original one, that
could be the problem, as well.....The pump that we got from
NAPA in not a Carter....it is an AIRTEX....placed in a Carter
Box, with a NAPA label on it....so there, another reproduced
pump, that may not be to original mfg spec....but somewhere
close.....but not close enought............stay tuned!

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

studegary
07-26-2007, 03:47 PM
Putting a fuel pump on a '51-'54 V8 is completely different than putting a fuel pump on a '55-'64 V8. What you are trying now, rebuilding the original pump, should give a final resolution. Good luck!

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
07-26-2007, 03:47 PM
Putting a fuel pump on a '51-'54 V8 is completely different than putting a fuel pump on a '55-'64 V8. What you are trying now, rebuilding the original pump, should give a final resolution. Good luck!

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

glen
07-26-2007, 05:00 PM
Thanks....the guy is good and has done everything that everybody
has suggested or had already done....it all comes back to the
fact that the old one works, though leaks, anytime we test it
back....and now seeing the difference in the arms between the
old one and the new "repro" ones, it makes us wonder if we should
have just done the rebuild to start with.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

glen
07-26-2007, 05:00 PM
Thanks....the guy is good and has done everything that everybody
has suggested or had already done....it all comes back to the
fact that the old one works, though leaks, anytime we test it
back....and now seeing the difference in the arms between the
old one and the new "repro" ones, it makes us wonder if we should
have just done the rebuild to start with.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

Roscomacaw
07-26-2007, 06:28 PM
Well Gary, glen's 53 was a Champion, so while there's still a difference in fuel pumps, it was closer to what glen's got now than a 53 V8 would be.

Glen,

I'm not gonna pass judgement on your mechanic, but THREE non-functional NEW fuel pumps in a row? Man, DO NOT go to Vegas anytime soon!
Here's hoping your impending overhaul yields the desired results. For the record tho - color me skeptical.

BTW, if anyone want's a NAPA V8 fuel pump, their part number for such is M2211. Yes, it'll come up as being for a Studebaker truck. Thing is, if you don't tell the pump that, it won't know the difference because in truth there isn't any difference[:0].

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
07-26-2007, 06:28 PM
Well Gary, glen's 53 was a Champion, so while there's still a difference in fuel pumps, it was closer to what glen's got now than a 53 V8 would be.

Glen,

I'm not gonna pass judgement on your mechanic, but THREE non-functional NEW fuel pumps in a row? Man, DO NOT go to Vegas anytime soon!
Here's hoping your impending overhaul yields the desired results. For the record tho - color me skeptical.

BTW, if anyone want's a NAPA V8 fuel pump, their part number for such is M2211. Yes, it'll come up as being for a Studebaker truck. Thing is, if you don't tell the pump that, it won't know the difference because in truth there isn't any difference[:0].

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

glen
07-26-2007, 11:06 PM
Thanks Mr. B....actually the 1st one from Chuck Collins got
snake bite on a test drive....then the 2nd from Chuck and the
one from NAPA just didn't seem to work after the 1st few minutes.
So my question is: since all 3 have 3 different arm heights,
from the original, do you think, that the lack of OEM spec's
on these 3 repro's is what or maybe causing the problem????
By the way...I have no plans to go to "Lost Wages" anytime soon.
while I am Polish....I am real "dear" to my pennies...except
when it comes to getting this Daytona to become a driver!


http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

glen
07-26-2007, 11:06 PM
Thanks Mr. B....actually the 1st one from Chuck Collins got
snake bite on a test drive....then the 2nd from Chuck and the
one from NAPA just didn't seem to work after the 1st few minutes.
So my question is: since all 3 have 3 different arm heights,
from the original, do you think, that the lack of OEM spec's
on these 3 repro's is what or maybe causing the problem????
By the way...I have no plans to go to "Lost Wages" anytime soon.
while I am Polish....I am real "dear" to my pennies...except
when it comes to getting this Daytona to become a driver!


http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

JDP
07-26-2007, 11:32 PM
Like I said, I had a few repro pumps that would pump off the car in my vise, but did nothing much on the car. I noticed that the first part of the stroke seemed to do nothing but take up some slack and was not enough to work off the cam in the car. I think the angle of the rebent arm is the issue.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
07-26-2007, 11:32 PM
Like I said, I had a few repro pumps that would pump off the car in my vise, but did nothing much on the car. I noticed that the first part of the stroke seemed to do nothing but take up some slack and was not enough to work off the cam in the car. I think the angle of the rebent arm is the issue.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

jgrohs
07-29-2007, 12:35 AM
Glen, I had a fuel pump problem with a 64 Daytona Convert I bought last year. Crud ( shelac or ?) was going from the tank to the fuel pump and messing up the 1-way check valves - making the pump stop working after a few minutes. I had put a clear fuel filter in between the pump and carb and saw the crap in there. cleaning out the gas tank and thoroughly flushing the lines solved the problem.

Jeff

jgrohs
07-29-2007, 12:35 AM
Glen, I had a fuel pump problem with a 64 Daytona Convert I bought last year. Crud ( shelac or ?) was going from the tank to the fuel pump and messing up the 1-way check valves - making the pump stop working after a few minutes. I had put a clear fuel filter in between the pump and carb and saw the crap in there. cleaning out the gas tank and thoroughly flushing the lines solved the problem.

Jeff

Johnnywiffer
07-29-2007, 07:31 AM
And yet I put a pump I had bought at a swap meet 4-5 years ago on the most recent '54 Land Cruiser and it worked right off the bat. This was a car that had sat in someone's back yard in CA for 13 years. The gas was BLACK. But it started and ran.

I woulda thot the diaphragm woulda been long gone after setting in my hot shed for that length of time...but it wasn't. And the black gas didn't stop up the valves.

But it took 3 men and a boy to change it. Don't recall why, but had to remove the oil filter. MAN, I never saw so many bolts PLUS oil lines!! Be prepared if you change yours!

John

Johnnywiffer
07-29-2007, 07:31 AM
And yet I put a pump I had bought at a swap meet 4-5 years ago on the most recent '54 Land Cruiser and it worked right off the bat. This was a car that had sat in someone's back yard in CA for 13 years. The gas was BLACK. But it started and ran.

I woulda thot the diaphragm woulda been long gone after setting in my hot shed for that length of time...but it wasn't. And the black gas didn't stop up the valves.

But it took 3 men and a boy to change it. Don't recall why, but had to remove the oil filter. MAN, I never saw so many bolts PLUS oil lines!! Be prepared if you change yours!

John

glen
07-29-2007, 09:43 AM
Oh we have already been down that "rabbit" hole....we took
an electric pump and pumped the gas out, through the line, and
didn't find a shred of anything to say there was "crud" in the
tank....We have ordered a fuel pump rebuild kit from Stude Intl,
for the original(?) old leaky one, in hoping, that will be what the
"Doctor" ordered.........should be here at the end of the week.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

glen
07-29-2007, 09:43 AM
Oh we have already been down that "rabbit" hole....we took
an electric pump and pumped the gas out, through the line, and
didn't find a shred of anything to say there was "crud" in the
tank....We have ordered a fuel pump rebuild kit from Stude Intl,
for the original(?) old leaky one, in hoping, that will be what the
"Doctor" ordered.........should be here at the end of the week.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ