'63 Hawk-Epilog

[Dick Steinkamp]

The Hawk is going to a museum in Winnipeg.

I have kind of mixed feelings about this. I like to drive my Studes, but I've always preached that there are many ways to enjoy our hobby, and my way isn't the only way. A lot of folks will be able to enjoy the car this way, so it's not all bad.

The guy who bought it owns 2 GM and 2 Chrysler dealerships in Winnipeg. The museum is at his Chevrolet-Cadillac dealership on McPhillips. It's called the Heritage Museum.

The buyer owned the Studebaker Dealership in Winnipeg from 1960 until 1966. It was called Kustom Studebaker. He sold about 200 Studebakers per year. He was a great guy to talk to on the phone today. Told me stories about picking up new Studes at the Hamilton plant and where he was and what he was doing when he heard on the radio that Studebaker was going out of the car biz.

If there are any forum members in the Winnipeg area, I'd appreciate a picture or two of the Hawk when it is in place in the museum. Should be a couple of weeks.

[Scott]

Well, it'll give me a reason to visit Winnipeg. From where I live it's probably about a 10 hour trip, and I've heard it's a nice city.

On the plus side, it'll give that great car the public exposure it deserves instead of sitting in someone's private garage. You turned it into a work of art - so you got what you deserved/
I saw the selling price and I have to say that although it's a lot more than usually seen for Studebakers, it makes me sick to think a car like that can sell for only as much as a 1957 Chevy cobbled together with whatever's handy and an average paint job.

Boy, Dick, I sure wish I COULD let you have your way with my '62 GT for a week. I bet I wouldn't think it was the same car when you got done with it!

[Scott]

Well, it'll give me a reason to visit Winnipeg. From where I live it's probably about a 10 hour trip, and I've heard it's a nice city.

On the plus side, it'll give that great car the public exposure it deserves instead of sitting in someone's private garage. You turned it into a work of art - so you got what you deserved/
I saw the selling price and I have to say that although it's a lot more than usually seen for Studebakers, it makes me sick to think a car like that can sell for only as much as a 1957 Chevy cobbled together with whatever's handy and an average paint job.

Boy, Dick, I sure wish I COULD let you have your way with my '62 GT for a week. I bet I wouldn't think it was the same car when you got done with it!

[lstude]

I agree with Scott. The museum got a real deal. I would say the car is "museum quality" but from some car I have seen in museums, it is far above "museum quality".

It is one thing to donate a car to a museum, but for a museum to pay to buy a car puts it at a whole different level.



Leonard Shepherd

http://leonardshepherd.com/

[lstude]

I agree with Scott. The museum got a real deal. I would say the car is "museum quality" but from some car I have seen in museums, it is far above "museum quality".

It is one thing to donate a car to a museum, but for a museum to pay to buy a car puts it at a whole different level.



Leonard Shepherd

http://leonardshepherd.com/

[Dick Steinkamp]

quote:Originally posted by Scott
I saw the selling price and I have to say that although it's a lot more than usually seen for Studebakers, it makes me sick to think a car like that can sell for only as much as a 1957 Chevy cobbled together with whatever's handy and an average paint job.

I'd agree that Studebakers are still bargains. My buyer just bought this Pontiac for his museum...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&item=300121650457

It's a VERY nice Pontiac, but is an equally nice Studebaker only worth half the money? The answer is yes...the market is what it is. That's probably more good news to us than bad news, however.

[Dick Steinkamp]

quote:Originally posted by Scott
I saw the selling price and I have to say that although it's a lot more than usually seen for Studebakers, it makes me sick to think a car like that can sell for only as much as a 1957 Chevy cobbled together with whatever's handy and an average paint job.

I'd agree that Studebakers are still bargains. My buyer just bought this Pontiac for his museum...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&item=300121650457

It's a VERY nice Pontiac, but is an equally nice Studebaker only worth half the money? The answer is yes...the market is what it is. That's probably more good news to us than bad news, however.

[8E45E]

quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

The Hawk is going to a museum in Winnipeg.

The buyer owned the Studebaker Dealership in Winnipeg from 1960 until 1966. It was called Kustom Studebaker. He sold about 200 Studebakers per year. He was a great guy to talk to on the phone today. Told me stories about picking up new Studes at the Hamilton plant and where he was and what he was doing when he heard on the radio that Studebaker was going out of the car biz.

Damn! That's so awesome to hear, Dick!! I lived in Winnipeg from '64 to '67, and remember lots of Studebakers that were sold by Kustom Motors. My mom was still driving her '50 Champion 4 door back then (it came with us from Edmonton). Its great to know the proprietor is still around and above all, still loves Studebakers!![8D]

Craig

[8E45E]

quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

The Hawk is going to a museum in Winnipeg.

The buyer owned the Studebaker Dealership in Winnipeg from 1960 until 1966. It was called Kustom Studebaker. He sold about 200 Studebakers per year. He was a great guy to talk to on the phone today. Told me stories about picking up new Studes at the Hamilton plant and where he was and what he was doing when he heard on the radio that Studebaker was going out of the car biz.

Damn! That's so awesome to hear, Dick!! I lived in Winnipeg from '64 to '67, and remember lots of Studebakers that were sold by Kustom Motors. My mom was still driving her '50 Champion 4 door back then (it came with us from Edmonton). Its great to know the proprietor is still around and above all, still loves Studebakers!![8D]

Craig

[PackardV8]

Hi, Dick,

Beautiful car for the money. To get an average GT into that condition would be much more than the sale price, However, the market is always correct, so it sold for what it was worth in this time and place. As JDP's long experience and advice indicates, only the rare and flashy Studebakers bring any real money. My guess is if it had the 4-bbl, it would have added another $2k to the price; with the R1, another $5k and if it were a Super Hawk, another $10-15k.

thnx, jv.

PackardV8

[PackardV8]

Hi, Dick,

Beautiful car for the money. To get an average GT into that condition would be much more than the sale price, However, the market is always correct, so it sold for what it was worth in this time and place. As JDP's long experience and advice indicates, only the rare and flashy Studebakers bring any real money. My guess is if it had the 4-bbl, it would have added another $2k to the price; with the R1, another $5k and if it were a Super Hawk, another $10-15k.

thnx, jv.

PackardV8

[JDP]

I don't think a 4 barrel would have added much to the resale, especially to a museum, it's the R2 option that drives the bids. Even a just a nice R2 Lark would bring higher bids then your exceptional GT and over 50K for trailer queen R2's is now the new standard. I'll test that market when I put together the 64 R2 GT have have coming with a 11K paint job. In my case, I didn't have to pay the 28K the PO had in the car, but I may spend 5 more and a couple 100 hours to finish it.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

[JDP]

I don't think a 4 barrel would have added much to the resale, especially to a museum, it's the R2 option that drives the bids. Even a just a nice R2 Lark would bring higher bids then your exceptional GT and over 50K for trailer queen R2's is now the new standard. I'll test that market when I put together the 64 R2 GT have have coming with a 11K paint job. In my case, I didn't have to pay the 28K the PO had in the car, but I may spend 5 more and a couple 100 hours to finish it.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

[Guest]

I somehow feel better about that Hawk being off the road and in a secure spot. Truly a perfect specimen, which is a bulleye for every dork on the highway!

Gramps :-)

Western Washington, USA

[Guest]

I somehow feel better about that Hawk being off the road and in a secure spot. Truly a perfect specimen, which is a bulleye for every dork on the highway!

Gramps :-)

Western Washington, USA