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Doug Bowen
04-01-2012, 09:57 AM
Took my wife to an oldies dance last night (because we're old)...heard the guy next to me say something about his 65 vette. So I told him that the '63 thru '67s were my favorite years. When I mentioned that I had a '64 Stude at home, he told me without hesitation that, " ...they were ugly".

It never ceases to amaze me how a lot of the tri-5s and vetters look down on anything other than the bow-tie. I had a good laugh at his expense later, but at the time he simply took me back a little. I bit my tongue. I was a good boy.

I realize that he doesn't represent the majority of those boys, but guys like him surely don't give 'em a good name!

junior
04-01-2012, 10:03 AM
Kinda makes you wish you had an R3 and give him and his 'vette a good ole a$$-kicking! Cheers, Junior.

Chris Pile
04-01-2012, 10:12 AM
You know what they say about opinions..... everybody has one.

53k
04-01-2012, 10:17 AM
You know what they say about opinions..... everybody has one.
His wasn't an opinion. It was a flat out insult.
Doug, what was the laugh at his expense?

raprice
04-01-2012, 10:21 AM
Hey, some people are just narrow minded. I just feel bad for them. If they would only let themselves know about Studebakers or other makes, they'd be much more interesting to know. What can you do?
Rog

Doug Bowen
04-01-2012, 10:29 AM
My chuckle was when I cast my eyes at the rest of the table after his remark, 3 or 4 people we looking at him in disbelief. Then later a comment was made to me about how much of a goofball he is. So, I guess the old adage applies, "you can remain quiet and have people think you are stupid, or open your mouth and prove it." Based on that, I remained silent and let him remain the dope. In my younger years I would have popped off and come out looking like the fool...time has mellowed me, I guess!

63 R2 Hawk
04-01-2012, 10:32 AM
I "grew up" on Chevies, owned several '55 & '56 Nomads and a bunch of other tri-fives and '60s models. They don't compare to Studebaker as far as quality and durability. Anybody can keep an old Chevy on the road-or show car trailer-all it takes is money, you can practically build an entire tri-five from brand new parts. It takes a real person to keep a Studebaker on the road. Parts are not always easy to come by and the average mechanic doesn't have a clue how to work on Stude drive trains and suspensions. Most of he guys at the car parts places have never even heard of Studebaker, they think it might be German or something. I would just consider the source when someone makes comments like that.

Dick Steinkamp
04-01-2012, 10:32 AM
There are rude people everywhere. I wouldn't demonize all vintage Chevy owners because of a few bad apples. I guarantee there are Studebaker owners who would say something similar to a Chevy owner if given the opportunity :eek:

When someone runs up against a rude Studebaker person, I would hope they would just walk away and not hold it against all Studebaker owners.

comatus
04-01-2012, 10:47 AM
Opinions are like Corvettes...everybody's got one. Somebody must think a Plastic Impala outrates a Lark in A Party Dress.
I agree, 63-67 Corvettes are some nice-looking cars. And I will never have one, because at a certain point you just can't afford to be associated with those who do. Also, the 14K chains pull out my greying chest hairs IYKWIM. This is from a 1966 El Camino owner, so, dude, that's harsh.

My absolute favorite though was the 73-77 C3 with bottle-blond delete option. A 2-liter Alfa [sedan!] would take them handily, off the line and top end, still getting better mileage. My companions of the time learned to lip-read "Volkswagen!?" mouthed from the right seat. The suicide rate in those pre-Viagra days must have been tragic. Luckily for GM, the need for certain Corvettes is something you grow into, not something you're bred for.

Marie Mac
04-01-2012, 10:57 AM
Inwardly beauty--the Studes have it hands down...Corvettes are superficial, just like their owners!

studebaker-R2-4-me
04-01-2012, 11:19 AM
There are rude people everywhere. I wouldn't demonize all vintage Chevy owners because of a few bad apples. I guarantee there are a Studebaker owners who would say something similar to a Chevy owner if given the opportunity :eek:

When someone runs up against a rude Studebaker person, I would hope they would just walk away and not hold it against all Studebaker owners.

I'm sure most of us have run into a few Studebaker Elitists within our club as well. It seems to me some Avanti Owners look down on the regular ranks of Studebaker owners as well.

Allen

rockinhawk
04-01-2012, 11:47 AM
[QUOTE=studebaker-R2-4-me;634438]I'm sure most of us have run into a few Studebaker Elitists within our club as well. It seems to me some Avanti Owners look down on the regular ranks of Studebaker owners as well.



I fully agree! That's the reason I only stayed a member of AOAI for 1 year. I still own and enjoy the Avanti, but so many Avanti Owners don't seem to have the true Studebaker Sprit outlook on life that I so enjoy with SDC.

jts359
04-01-2012, 11:54 AM
Several years ago I was at a Cruise night here in Jersey with my 55 Coupe when a decent looking 56 Chevy Rolls in , A nice looking lady gets out of the Chevy with her man and walks over to My Stude asks what it is and a few other questions , As They walk away I heard her say ,John , Now theres a good looking car why can't we sell your box and get one of them ! Poor guy

parts
04-01-2012, 12:25 PM
.."yeah..nice tuperware.."

Usually starts a great conversation..

PS I have had three in the past..distant past..

JBOYLE
04-01-2012, 12:39 PM
I'm sure most of us have run into a few Studebaker Elitists within our club as well. It seems to me some Avanti Owners look down on the regular ranks of Studebaker owners as well.
Allen

I don't know if they look down on Studes, but rather are just Avanti-centric. From observation and reading the Avanti magazine, my guess is that manyof those owners are just into Avantis...their interest in old cars begins and ends with that car.
Some are just into the IIs, post-84s or post-2000 models usually depending on what they own. Some aren't "car guys/girls" but like the Avanti because of its style and Loewy connection.
For people with narrow interests, it's not hard to imagine that they're not into bulletnoses and Larks....despite the Avanti's obvious relation to the latter.
I think the majority of those people just belong to the AOAI and not the SDC. Yes, SDC welcomes their cars at its meets but it wouldn't hurt to have SDC members reach out to those folks.
Remember, "snobbery" can go both ways, just because a person shows up who doesn't know a carb from a hog trough, doesn't make him/her any less of a Stude Avanti/Avanti fan.

In the old car world, I think its poor form to call anyone's baby ugly..because no matter how cool you think your car is, I can guarentee that someone has something cooler, rarer, more valuable.

bezhawk
04-01-2012, 12:42 PM
:pI don't mind being a Stude Elitest.......we ARE better.....:p

rockinhawk
04-01-2012, 12:51 PM
:pI don't mind being a Stude Elitest.......we ARE better.....:p True... But we don't go 'round rubbing people's nose in it.

Chris Pile
04-01-2012, 12:56 PM
If you really want to talk about elitists..... find a pre-war Packard guy.

Doug Bowen
04-01-2012, 01:36 PM
Wow...I just checked in to see what I started! I guess the bottom line is still the golden rule...do unto others as you would have them do unto you. People forget about that too often. Pretty good, basic stuff to live by. For every goofball I run across, I seem to find a dozen people who are thrilled to see the old girl on the road...and tell me so.

We're all a bunch of thoughtless goofballs once in a while!! I know I've said stuff that I wish I could have taken back. (my wife will attest to that!)

Have a good day all! Gotta run to the store.

D

comatus
04-01-2012, 02:08 PM
a decent looking 56 Chevy Rolls in

I am unfamiliar with the Chevy Rolls, but having seen Chevy Astons and Chevy Benzes, I heartily approve.

I'm leaving that other straight line alone, this being a family forum. But I understand.

jclary
04-01-2012, 02:46 PM
I think all of us have what I call a "Jerk Factor." I know I have had too many "Jerk" moments than I want to admit. Hopefully, as we grow older and wiser...we develop an inner sense that helps us minimize our "jerk factor."

I am afraid that my response to such comments probably matches the guy's Jerk Factor. I usually respond to such comments with..."Anybody can buy a Chevy!"

Also, it helps to wear a hat or jacket with this saying on it.:):p:)

14554

kmac530
04-01-2012, 03:05 PM
I know of a Chevy Rolls, and a Chevy Bently and alot of Chevy Jags....and ALOT of Chevy Studes...I think most '65/'66...
I like Chevys. No issue with them. I like Mopars {vintage stuff only, pre '73 for me}, and all other brands except ford products...but that is just me, many person reasons for that...ford vehichles and honda motorcycles....enfuriating for me...I dont hate the people that own them. I dont even think many of them are "ugly" and I would not normally tell someone "your car is ugly". That is pretty rude.

53K,
You said that it was not an opinion, I think it is purely an opinion, how he said was RUDE, but it was his opinion.
We all have likes and dislikes in cars, for many reasons. Good experiences or bad experiences, people we liked owned one, people we disliked owned one....whatever the reason we like what we like and we dislike what we dislike.
I express my likes and dislikes, but I TRY {not always successfully} not to bash the owner or even overly bash the car. I will often express that a grill design or a paint scheme etc... is not my favorite, or that I prefer a different year or models style. But to me that is part of a website like this. i like to know what people think. Some of the people I most respect on this site do not like my trucks concept, but they are still cool and helpful, their opinions actually matter to me and I take ideas under advisment.

All that said, a '63-67 Vette is a beautiful car, but so is a '64 Stude, just different.

kmac530
04-01-2012, 03:07 PM
I usually respond to such comments with..."Anybody can buy a Chevy!"

Also, it helps to wear a hat or jacket with this saying on it.:):p:)

14554

How bout "Orphans are cooler" ?

Chris Pile
04-01-2012, 03:17 PM
Where can I get one of those hats?
That is EXACTLY the point I express when someone asks "Why Studebaker?".

jclary
04-01-2012, 03:28 PM
Where can I get one of those hats?
That is EXACTLY the point I express when someone asks "Why Studebaker?".

It has been several years since I had those made up. With minimum orders, and inflation...I have no idea what it would cost to commission another run. Except for a few I culled out for my personal use...I am sold out for now. The last time I had some produced, I sold them for $15 each and I barely broke even.

Marie Mac
04-01-2012, 03:30 PM
Opinions--an expressed opinion that insults another, becomes a RUDE comment...uncouth to do that!

johnod
04-01-2012, 04:10 PM
I see lots of ugly cars out there, some are Studes too, that's my opinion.
I just keep it to myself around the cars owners.
Manners as Mom used to say.

65 Daytonaa
04-01-2012, 04:15 PM
You have to wonder where all of the arrogance comes from in people like that, most likely his car is the product of some shop and he probably doesn't know the first thing about his car because he bought it that way. I'll bet he is not the kind of guy that would jack his car up and slide under it to look for or even concider repairing anything.

johnod
04-01-2012, 04:17 PM
Took my wife to an oldies dance last night (because we're old)...heard the guy next to me say something about his 65 vette. So I told him that the '63 thru '67s were my favorite years. When I mentioned that I had a '64 Stude at home, he told me without hesitation that, " ...they were ugly".

It never ceases to amaze me how a lot of the tri-5s and vetters look down on anything other than the bow-tie. I had a good laugh at his expense later, but at the time he simply took me back a little. I bit my tongue. I was a good boy.

I realize that he doesn't represent the majority of those boys, but guys like him surely don't give 'em a good name!


Next time this happens use this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVCtkzIXYzQ

rodnutrandy
04-01-2012, 04:39 PM
I think A lot of the negatives come from lack of knowledge. I saw a post on another forum about Studebaker cop cars, a chevy lover came back with a quote (it couldn't be fast) . I think if he would look at the outcome of the pure stock drags, he would have to take back the statement.

52hawk
04-01-2012, 05:38 PM
Maybe this is why ,at most car shows around here,they put all the Corvettes in one area! Iv'e owned 4 'Vettes,but never had anybody slobber over them like they do my Hawk!

Bob Andrews
04-01-2012, 06:19 PM
LOL! Must just be me. I don't get all the flap over what people would say about somebody's carhttp://www.garagejournal.com/forum/images/smilies/headscratch.gif Nobody likes everything. Most don't like Studebakers. We here do. So what on any of it?

I agree- sometimes people can make insulting comments. But it doesn't matter what a person thinks about another person's possession; and that's not what it's about. It's about an insecurity inside the individual that they're trying to medicate by insulting another person- or their possession. You get to see it here from a sad few, taking jabs at folks who have not done one thing to harm them. We see them pop up like a pimple from time to time:)

Insults are childish, and say nothing about the target, and everything about the author. In the end, it's their sad legacy.

stall
04-01-2012, 06:29 PM
My thoughts exactly. By the way I also pwn a 64 Vette Roadster and truly enjoy both.

You don't have to worry though; Ignorance isn't contaigous

Murray


Hey, some people are just narrow minded. I just feel bad for them. If they would only let themselves know about Studebakers or other makes, they'd be much more interesting to know. What can you do?
Rog

wittsend
04-01-2012, 10:28 PM
I have a 85 Corvette L-98 engine in my '64 Daytona and ..., ..., I'm constantly dealing with internal conflict. LOL

Tom

avantilover
04-02-2012, 03:37 AM
I'll give John Clary an order for two XXL Polo Shirts with that embroidered onto them - say White or color options??? Tried to send a PM but kept getting a can't display the page so am doing this.

cultural infidel
04-02-2012, 10:20 AM
It has been several years since I had those made up. With minimum orders, and inflation...I have no idea what it would cost to commission another run. Except for a few I culled out for my personal use...I am sold out for now. The last time I had some produced, I sold them for $15 each and I barely broke even.

Hell, I might have to have a sticker made.

Pat Dilling
04-02-2012, 02:43 PM
My response would normally be: "How nice of you to say so."

You may know the "How Nice" story.

56H-Y6
04-03-2012, 06:44 AM
If you really want to talk about elitists..... find a pre-war Packard guy.

Hi

Unhappily, too true in many cases as well for a great many CCCA members. I like to remind them to check out a '28-'33 President as they'll find they're in the same league with their contemporary Classics. A broader marque viewpoint opens a beneficial appreciation of a banquet of noteworthy cars.

Of the single marque 'elitist, to paraphase Auntie Mame "Automotive history is a banquet and those poor blighters are starving to death!"

Steve

Jim B PEI
04-03-2012, 08:58 AM
"Orphans are cooler than near-orphans or future orphans"

I think that deserves consideration as an SDC logo! (at least, maybe when 'some' marque owners are crowding around in gaggles <GGG>)

Dick Steinkamp
04-03-2012, 09:46 AM
Hi

A broader marque viewpoint opens a beneficial appreciation of a banquet of noteworthy cars.

Of the single marque 'elitist, to paraphase Auntie Mame "Automotive history is a banquet and those poor blighters are starving to death!"



Nicely said! :)

dean pearson
04-03-2012, 10:34 PM
Those old vetts are really cool looking,
they are also really really over priced,
and stock,... you will get smoked regularly.

Dean.

Daffy427
04-04-2012, 11:05 AM
I drive a Corvette every day and I'm crazy about the car but I would rather look at my Really ugly Packardbaker wagon. As a matter of fact almost all cars built in 58 are pretty ugly and love em all!!

deco_droid
04-04-2012, 12:51 PM
Yeah, if he didn't make the comment jokingly, it was pretty rude. I would have just said "I don't really care for those", because I don't -- no big deal. On the other hand, I doubt I would ever buy an early Corvette or Tri-5 car, just because they are so common...

cultural infidel
04-04-2012, 02:06 PM
i tend to walk right past the vette's, tri-5's, stangs, and camaro's at shows. Too boring for my liking.

johnod
04-04-2012, 05:26 PM
I drive a Corvette every day and I'm crazy about the car but I would rather look at my Really ugly Packardbaker wagon. As a matter of fact almost all cars built in 58 are pretty ugly and love em all!!


58 you may be right.

But the 58 vette is beautiful now that I think of it.