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Scott
03-24-2012, 12:59 PM
I never heard of Studebaker Ace trucks, but here's one (1935). I searched the forum and apparently it's never come up before. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgeOFTIOHSQ
http://www.network54.com/Forum/23885/message/1260373882/1935+ACE+-+pictures+and+video

aarrggh
03-24-2012, 01:15 PM
hhmmmm , Would be interesting to get one of them hand cranks installed / working on a new car or truck . . yeah .

Ricardo
03-24-2012, 02:33 PM
Very Nice truck

We know so few about Studebaker trucks. What a pity.
I had never heard about the Studebaker ACE and never seen in the several books I have.

Nice finding. New knowledge. Thanks

8E45E
03-24-2012, 03:49 PM
I scanned the 1936 brochure of the Ace, Boss, Mogul, and the Metro here:

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?6042-CAR-NAMES-Studebaker-had-great-model-names/page4&highlight=mogul

Craig

Chris_Dresbach
03-24-2012, 05:04 PM
Here's the '38 ACE in the SNM.
http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx323/chris_dresbach/100_0357.jpg
http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx323/chris_dresbach/100_0358.jpg

Skip Lackie
03-24-2012, 05:43 PM
Brief mention in chapter 3 here:
http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/StudebakerTruckHistory.asp

fatboylust
03-24-2012, 06:01 PM
1446314462 So would these have "Aces" too?

woodysrods
03-24-2012, 10:06 PM
What a great video. Makes you wish you were there.
Too much Fun!
Good Roads
Brian

showbizkid
03-24-2012, 10:52 PM
Man, he had that engine in fine shape! It only took a half-turn of the crank to get it fired. Nice stuff!!

Skip Lackie
03-25-2012, 07:23 AM
1446314462 So would these have "Aces" too?
As near as I was able to determine, the Ace, Mogul, Chief, etc names were added mostly as a 1935-model marketing ploy, and there were no significant changes in the trucks themselves associated with the adoption of the model names. So the only way to determine if a particular truck is an Ace or not is to look at the winged emblems on the truck or check the serial number against the list in the parts book. If someone has more info on these trucks, I'd be pleased to update the truck history.

Ricardo
03-25-2012, 04:58 PM
Thanks to all for the good infomation on the Ace name and models.

The paragraph written by Skip clarifies the "non clear" issue

hausdok
03-25-2012, 08:03 PM
As near as I was able to determine, the Ace, Mogul, Chief, etc names were added mostly as a 1935-model marketing ploy, and there were no significant changes in the trucks themselves associated with the adoption of the model names. So the only way to determine if a particular truck is an Ace or not is to look at the winged emblems on the truck or check the serial number against the list in the parts book. If someone has more info on these trucks, I'd be pleased to update the truck history.I googled Studebaker Ace yesterday and browsed a couple of sites. If memory serves, the Ace is what the 1-1/2 ton was called and as the capacity went up the names changed.

Edit: Yeah, I looked it up. The name is based on the payload capacity and the trucks are the 2T2 Ace (1-1/2 T), 2W6 Boss (2T), 2W7 Mogul (2-1/2T), and 2W8 Chief (3 Ton)

kurtruk
03-25-2012, 08:35 PM
I keep waiting for Bob Palma or Dick Quinn to chime in and tell us what issue of Turning Wheels this was all covered in. :)

rapidcityman
03-25-2012, 09:40 PM
As near as I was able to determine, the Ace, Mogul, Chief, etc names were added mostly as a 1935-model marketing ploy, and there were no significant changes in the trucks themselves associated with the adoption of the model names. So the only way to determine if a particular truck is an Ace or not is to look at the winged emblems on the truck or check the serial number against the list in the parts book. If someone has more info on these trucks, I'd be pleased to update the truck history.

Ken Voigt out of Armour SD restored an Ace tow truck. He is listed in the Stude directory, he has a good background on Stude trucks.

MRHawkes
03-25-2012, 09:48 PM
A great looking truck! I noticed that the video was posted in Dec. 09, does anyone have any idea how the restoration on this fine machine is going? It seems as though the blog that was set up has been ignored for a while. I'd say that Scott has made a good video find, now maybe someone may know a bit more on the "Ace" progress.

Scott
03-25-2012, 11:07 PM
I did a little checking and I couldn't find out any more about the restoration, but there may be something out there in cyberspace. I love finding out about Studebakers I never knew about before.

I know that Fred Fox has commented on how he's done practically every Studebaker model in his articles, but unless I am wrong he has entirely forgotten about these trucks. I've been in the club since 1989 and I don't ever remember seeing any feature articles on them in that time at least. If he did do one maybe an update would be a possibility.

Henry Votel
03-26-2012, 07:15 PM
From the Turning Wheels Index Listings, repeated for each year the annual model was produced:


1936 Cab-Forward Trucks 1936-40 Fred K. Fox 14 8 1982 August

1937 Cab-Forward Trucks 1936-40 Fred K. Fox 14 8 1982 August

1937 Old Studebaker Trucks Never Die Clell G. Ballard 17 1 1985 January

1937 1937-40 Studebaker Standard Series Trucks Fred K. Fox 24 12 1992 December

1938 Cab-Forward Trucks 1936-40 Fred K. Fox 14 8 1982 August

1938 1937-40 Studebaker Standard Series Trucks Fred K. Fox 24 12 1992 December

1939 Cab-Forward Trucks 1936-40 Fred K. Fox 14 8 1982 August

1939 1937-40 Studebaker Standard Series Trucks Fred K. Fox 24 12 1992 December

1940 The Studebaker Cab Forward Trucks 1936-40 Gary Cameron 3 1 1971 January

2R5
03-26-2012, 07:19 PM
The owner ofthat truck lives about 50 miles from me, he has posted on this forum from time to time as well.He put a link to that video a few years ago . Last I seen he was doing up a gasoline tank to go on the back of this truck ....will make a real neat vehicle. He did send me a pic of it but I can't find it.

Scott
03-26-2012, 07:32 PM
From the Turning Wheels Index Listings, repeated for each year the annual model was produced:


1936 Cab-Forward Trucks 1936-40 Fred K. Fox 14 8 1982 August

1937 Cab-Forward Trucks 1936-40 Fred K. Fox 14 8 1982 August

1937 Old Studebaker Trucks Never Die Clell G. Ballard 17 1 1985 January

1937 1937-40 Studebaker Standard Series Trucks Fred K. Fox 24 12 1992 December

1938 Cab-Forward Trucks 1936-40 Fred K. Fox 14 8 1982 August

1938 1937-40 Studebaker Standard Series Trucks Fred K. Fox 24 12 1992 December

1939 Cab-Forward Trucks 1936-40 Fred K. Fox 14 8 1982 August

1939 1937-40 Studebaker Standard Series Trucks Fred K. Fox 24 12 1992 December

1940 The Studebaker Cab Forward Trucks 1936-40 Gary Cameron 3 1 1971 January

You have to wonder what percentage of current SDC membership was around then to read these articles. Most of the guys that did are probably long (I mean looooooong) gone now. Time for some repeat articles, maybe.

Ricardo
03-26-2012, 07:47 PM
I agree with Scott. Most of those articles were published almost 30 years ago.

In unfair for the author that they remain in the dark and for us, newer members, those articles could be a good source of information

kmac530
03-26-2012, 07:54 PM
So I am confused, I know thats normal, But, If the truck in the first video is an Ace, and the COE truck at the SNM is an Ace, were they somehow the same truck? Chassis? Was the name purely a weight catagory so all 1.5 T trucks were called Ace whether they were COE or standard PU?

Btw, great video. It did not load first time I tried, so I tried again today and wow, cool.

hausdok
03-26-2012, 09:14 PM
Yeah,

I thought I'd explained it above. 1-1/2 to 2 ton load capacity is an Ace, 2T to 3T is a Boss, Etc..

Skip Lackie
03-27-2012, 10:17 AM
I agree with Scott. Most of those articles were published almost 30 years ago.

In unfair for the author that they remain in the dark and for us, newer members, those articles could be a good source of information
Most of the articles referenced above were written by Fred Fox, and were copyrighted by HIM (not SDC). They cannot be reprinted or revised without Fred's permission.

kmac530
03-27-2012, 10:53 AM
Skip, I dont see where there is any copyright infringement in posting where the articles could be found. I guess you may be saying that SDC can not RE-post them in TW nowdays because they do not own them, Fred does. If that is the case, then I understand. If they were able to post them once in TW, what is the issue with reposting them again? Was TW not owned by the SDC during those years?

Skip Lackie
03-27-2012, 11:49 AM
You are correct. There is no problem posting where they can be found, and under copyright law, anyone could make a copy for their own personal use. But the articles could not be reprinted in any pub (including TW) without Fred's permission. In essence, Fred sold the rights to to SDC to publish them (once) in TW. Any reprinting or republication would require an additional payment.

Ricardo
03-27-2012, 06:56 PM
If Fred is good , the re-publication could be negotiated, at least reorganized in a couple of articles. But many people (members) would like to know that material to learn more from Studebaker. Is not that one of the "missions" or principles of SDC?

All the articles I have written for TW have been free

Studebaker Wheel
03-27-2012, 08:24 PM
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/newsgroup/35ACEtruck.jpg?t=1332897609http://

The image above includes the salient points of the 1935 Studebaker “ACE” truck. Additional information is on the reverse side of the sales flyer.

I only read a few of the forum posts so missed this one. The “ACE” truck name dates from April 1935 and was used on the smallest truck in the Studebaker line up at that time. As has been mentioned by others it had a 1 1/2 – 2 ton rating. It was available on three wheelbases of 130,” 141,” and 165.” The trucks were designated the 1-T2 series. They were available with the DeLuxe cab with the V-type windshield or the conventional cab. (The one shown in the Youtube video is the conventional cab whereas the one above has the DeLuxe cab).) Production began in late March 1935 and continued thru November with 2535 units assembled during that time. Engines were 230 c.i. with 75 h.p. at 3200 rpm. The “ACE” name was carried over into 1936 and applied to both the standard cab and cab forward that were on the same chassis. The name was quietly dropped sometime during the ’36 model run.

Incidentally there is another Studebaker publication called the Antique Studebaker Review and it covered the ACE trucks during my term as editor.

Scott
03-27-2012, 09:25 PM
Thanks, Dick. That's a great scan. How come that cab is different than the truck I started this thread about? The one in the scan looks like a later type. Or maybe the other one isn't really a 1935? Or else my eyes deceive me.

Nope. I just looked again and the one in the video is most definitely a different cab than shown in the scan.

kurtruk
03-27-2012, 09:49 PM
Scott,

Your answer is in the above post by Dick:
They were available with the DeLuxe cab with the V-type windshield or the conventional cab. (The one shown in the Youtube video is the conventional cab whereas the one above has the DeLuxe cab).)

Scott
03-27-2012, 10:18 PM
Thanks. Geez. Every time I think I've read something carefully I get burned. Good thing I'm not a lawyer!

Skip Lackie
03-28-2012, 03:32 PM
If Fred is good , the re-publication could be negotiated, at least reorganized in a couple of articles. But many people (members) would like to know that material to learn more from Studebaker. Is not that one of the "missions" or principles of SDC?

All the articles I have written for TW have been free
Everything I have written for SDC has been free, too -- but then I'm not a professional writer. To be fair to Fred, he IS a professional historian/writer. Writing articles of the type we're discussing provides his income. Over the past year or so, he has repackaged/rewritten several articles that had first appeared years ago, including Scotsman trucks and 1966 cars.

I no longer remember the details, but I believe SDC encouraged Fred to consolidate some of his older articles into longer, more comprehensive histories and publish them as soft-cover books. I believe that Fred felt that the market for such publications was rather limited, and that it might make more sense to completely revise and update some of the older articles and be able to take advantage of the color pages that now regularly appear in TW. The two-part 1966 article is an example of that approach.

Ricardo
03-28-2012, 08:04 PM
Thanks for the answer Skip

I hope really to read those "re visited" articles by Fred. Otherwise, all the knowledege will be lost in older and scarce issues of TW , being that my main worry .

Apart: More than be a profesional or not is some field, one also make things for love. Even owning a Lark, a Champion or a Commander , or a Scotman is a matter of love more than money or business

skyway
03-29-2012, 12:47 PM
If you read those old articles, a neat feature of the Studebaker cabovers was that on many if not all of them, major engine service was accomplished by removing the grill and surrounds, and sliding the engine out the front on sub-rails.