PDA

View Full Version : Rusted Floor Deal Killer for '64 Commander?



Tom
07-05-2007, 06:46 PM
Guys:

Looking for some advice. I came across a '64 Studebaker Commander at a used car lot this week. From the outside the body appeared to be in good shape and it runs as I took it for a short test drive.

However, in pulling up the mat and carpeting on the floor on the driver's side I could see the pavement underneath through a hole that where it had rusted out. The car appears to have been white originally judging from the trunk color though now it is light blue except for the hardtop which was left white.

It has a V8 and automatic transmission. The seats are in poor condition but the headliner appears mostly intact.

The asking price is $1500.

Comments? Worth restoring? Is the hole (about 6" in diameter) floor a deal killer?

Thanks
Tom

DEEPNHOCK
07-05-2007, 06:53 PM
If that one 'hole' is the only hole.. No, that shouldn't kill the deal.
But if that 'hole' connects to the eleventeen other 'holes'... Then maybe you should reconsider.
Also... Look close at the bottom of each frame rail near the front rear sprincg perch, and the bottom of the frame where it kicks up over the rear axle. Floor rust can mean that frame rust is also there...
But floor rust can be from bad window seals and wet carpet, so look closely.
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by Tom

Guys:

Looking for some advice. I came across a '64 Studebaker Commander at a used car lot this week. From the outside the body appeared to be in good shape and it runs as I took it for a short test drive.

However, in pulling up the mat and carpeting on the floor on the driver's side I could see the pavement underneath through a hole that where it had rusted out. The car appears to have been white originally judging from the trunk color though now it is light blue except for the hardtop which was left white.

It has a V8 and automatic transmission. The seats are in poor condition but the headliner appears mostly intact.

The asking price is $1500.

Comments? Worth restoring? Is the hole (about 6" in diameter) floor a deal killer?

Thanks
Tom

Dick Steinkamp
07-05-2007, 07:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by hotwheels63r2

You should wait and see if you could find a more rust free example.



Tom's in Illinois. Chances are there is not a more rust free example.

Post some pictures if you can, Tom. $1500 sounds good, but with pictures, we could probably help more.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

JDP
07-05-2007, 07:26 PM
I just sold a 66 sports sedan with rust issues for $500 and was happy to get it and it had NOS front fenders and bumpers. I still have a 4 speed GT Hawk with a new interior priced at $1500, but Bam's has first dibs.:)

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
62 Gt Hawk
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

bams50
07-05-2007, 07:27 PM
Without seeing it, I can tell you that on eBay it'd do probably $6-800. But it's worth a lot to not have to pay to ship... and worth a lot more that you can actually see and drive it before buying... so I'd say it's a little high, but not too bad when you factor in the above.

Jeff is right about where to check for rust; I would add to look closely at the back vertical edge of the front fenders; and inside the trunk towards the back.

Any of this is definitely fixable; but too many areas add up fast. Floors aren't a big deal to patch. If that's the extent of the rust, you're OK.

The biggest factor may be how you feel about it. At that age, any car will need a fair to large amount of fussing to get/keep it serviceable. If you want a sweet old car that's different from modern cars, then go for it; they're all worth saving- 'cause they ain't makin' 'em no more!!

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

sbca96
07-06-2007, 02:59 AM
Most Studebakers have gone "Flintstones" years ago, my dads '64 Hawk
lost the drivers side floor at an early age. I think that I am MORE
suprised to see a Studebaker WITH the floor intact!;)

Tom


quote:Originally posted by Tom
However, in pulling up the mat and carpeting on the floor on the driver's side I could see the pavement underneath through a hole that where it had rusted out.

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: 97 Z28 T-56 6-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires

Roscomacaw
07-06-2007, 01:17 PM
Bein' as how it's in Illinois, it's been repainted at least once and it has obvious cancer in the floorboards - I'd be lookin' REAL HARD for any evidence of bondo in/on the outer sheet metal.
Of course, there's STILL new fenders and doors available for this model and they're right reasonable in price too (the sheet metal pieces). It might be that you've found a car that someone hung fresh metal on.
As has been said - look closely at the frame!;) Like's also been saide, a few holes in the floor - no big deal. If you like the car and it runs decent, I don't think $1500 is outta line myself.:)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

nels
07-06-2007, 01:34 PM
Tom,
I'd look in the trunk. Check the floor around the wheel wells and the body mounts in the rear corners. Check up by the trunk rain gutter where the rear fenders bolt on and see if there is any rust through in that area. Check the area where the sail panel meets the rear fenders. Check the floors by the door hinge post. Rust through in that area is not at all uncommon and not terminal if it is confined to the immediate area. Front fenders should be spot welded to the aprons if they are originals. If they have been replaced they will usually be pop rivited or bolted to the aprons. I can't imagine a norhtern car (Mich?) surviving all this time.

casey
07-06-2007, 03:57 PM
If you're not willing to fix rust holes then Studebakers are the wrong hobby for you. I've NEVER seen a Studebaker that didn't have rust through somewhere on the car. I'm always amazed when I meet someone restoring a Studebaker that doesn't know how to weld.

Tom
07-06-2007, 06:36 PM
Guys:

Thanks for all of your information. With your encouragement and the sharp eye of mechanic Greg Lentini who accompanied me I went ahead and bought the '64 Commander this afternoon.

The dealer allowed us to use his hoist to look under and around the car. It apparently was a Southwestern car since there was virtually no rust on the frame or body other than the small hole under the driver's side floor and the V8 sounded strong on a test drive. It was a daily driver until recently.

What it does need is a brake job which it will receive along with more minor things.

Tom

vegas paul
07-06-2007, 06:41 PM
We want pictures! Someone once told me... No pictures, didn't happen! New man-rule: Post pictures whenever possible, or suffer the unnecessary questions and/or abuse! (Just kidding, welcome to the addiction, I mean hobby).

Las Vegas, NV
'51 Champion Business Coupe G899965 10G-Q4-1434
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/vegas_paul/1462673_2_350.jpg?t=1180041622 http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/vegas_paul/graciestude.jpg?t=1180041703

PlainBrownR2
07-07-2007, 01:46 AM
Dunno about deal killer with a hole of that size in the driver's floor. As stated, one hole of that size may not be so bad. If the hole has neighboring holes and the floor looks like a spaghetti strainer I'd look for something in better condition for that price. Classic Enterprises has replacement panels for floors, all it takes is some welding, and some elbow grease. Now, is it a 2 door? Take a good look at the rocker panels. This can be a real killer on Northern vehicles in the rust belt. If they look like they're in good shape, that would sell me on the car. If they look like the same condition as the driver's floor, I would try and negoiate for lower price. The 2 door NOS rocker panels are a rare piece for the late model 2 door Larks. Classic Enterprises has them as well, but they're a thicker gauge, and from what I hear, require some real bending and shaping to put install. The rocker panels apparently are supposed to flex and pop into place due to a thinner gauge of sheetmetal.


1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00003.jpg?t=1171152673[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00009.jpg?t=1171153019[/img=right]
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00002.jpg?t=1171153180[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00005.jpg?t=1171153370[/img=right]

bams50
07-07-2007, 04:35 AM
quote:Originally posted by PlainBrownR2

I would try and negoiate for lower price.

Ummm... In my experience, there's usually not much of a chance for negotiating a lower price after you've already bought and paid for the car.................

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

Tom
07-07-2007, 02:59 PM
I'd like to post photos of the '64 Commander if someone could clue me in on how to do that. I tried using the "Insert Image" box above but all it did was insert some HTML code into my message-it didn't allow me to browse for the file on my hard drive. I also tried to copy and paste the JPEG image but that didn't work either.

sbca96
07-07-2007, 03:07 PM
The picture has to be "hosted" on the internet somewhere. SDC doesnt
have a upload site that I am aware of. You can use a free site like
some on here do, or your ISP might have an FTP for you to upload the
images on. If not, DeepinHock, JDP or myself can host them for you
if you email the images to one of us.

SBCA96@aol.com

Tom


quote:Originally posted by Tom

I'd like to post photos of the '64 Commander if someone could clue me in on how to do that.

Tom
07-07-2007, 07:21 PM
Here are a couple of photos (thanks, Deepinhock, for the tech tips) of my recently purchased 1964 Studebaker Champion. It's making a first stop to the shop for a brake job and other odds and ends.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/tomburke/tb_1964CommanderFront.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/tomburke/tb_1964CommanderBack.jpg

63larkcustom
07-07-2007, 07:41 PM
What a nice old car. You did well for 1500... I've got way more than that in my project and its nowhere near as nice.

DEEPNHOCK
07-07-2007, 08:01 PM
Hey...
If you got this far in only 4 post's, you're stinkin' the place up!;)
Good on ya' (A Lester'ism)
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by Tom

Here are a couple of photos (thanks, Deepinhock, for the tech tips) of my recently purchased 1964 Studebaker Champion. It's making a first stop to the shop for a brake job and other odds and ends.

Dick Steinkamp
07-07-2007, 08:04 PM
I think you did great for $1500. Fix the brakes. Drive it. Enjoy it!

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

JeffDeWitt
07-07-2007, 11:47 PM
$1500? Looks like you did really well. I bet those grills are still available and the hood ornament has been repoped, replace those and give her a good buffing and she should look GREAT.

PlainBrownR2
07-08-2007, 01:29 AM
Overall, it doesnt look half bad. Looks like a pretty basic Lark. No extra bumper guards in the front or rear, dogdish hubcaps, single mirror, etc. I dunno if Studebaker offered the antenna on the passenger side as an option, or a two tone paint job on a Lark of this vintage(but a nice paint job nonetheless). It looks like it had a fender bender in the rear with the way the bumper is scuffed, but that shouldnt be a problem locating another bumper. The grilles and the single headlight buckets, far as I know, were available from SASCO. I picked up NOS grille and buckets from SASCO a couple of years ago when they had that clearance sale(if it could be called that) at the Spring meet for relatively cheap. I'm probably one of the few thats partial to those single headlight buckets. Whether it be a restoration, a driver, or a project car, that Lark looks like it would fill any of those roles quite nicely. :)


1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00003.jpg?t=1171152673[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00009.jpg?t=1171153019[/img=right]
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00002.jpg?t=1171153180[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00005.jpg?t=1171153370[/img=right]