Wagonaire rear-end swap dana 44

[Orestudeguy]

Ok, here goes. I have a 64 Wagonaire that originally was a six cylinder with a three speed o/d trans.
It now has a 259 V/8 from a 64 Cruiser with a three speed o/d trans.
I'm upgrading the front end with new springs & Turner front disc brake kit.
The rear still has the model 27 gear with 4:10 ratio. And the small brakes.
I have a Dana 44 rear from a 56 Stude car. It has 3:31 gears in it.
I was thinking 3:73 gears would be good for this swap. I won't be towing anything, just a daily driver and mostly highway driving.
I'm open to hear others thoughts.. And if the gears for the Dana 44 are the same thru the years? I don't have parts book for 56 Studes.

George
65 Commander 2door
64 Wagonaire
63 Champ
63 GT Hawk
51 Champion Starlight Coupe

[klifton1]

373 gears are a vary good choice for o/d. I used it in a 60 conv. and it was a good all around gear. 331? Maybe if your a flat lander.
Klif

55 Speedster
42 Champ Coupe

[klifton1]

373 gears are a vary good choice for o/d. I used it in a 60 conv. and it was a good all around gear. 331? Maybe if your a flat lander.
Klif

55 Speedster
42 Champ Coupe

[53k]

quote:Originally posted by Orestudeguy

Ok, here goes. I have a 64 Wagonaire that originally was a six cylinder with a three speed o/d trans.
It now has a 259 V/8 from a 64 Cruiser with a three speed o/d trans.
I'm upgrading the front end with new springs & Turner front disc brake kit.
The rear still has the model 27 gear with 4:10 ratio. And the small brakes.
I have a Dana 44 rear from a 56 Stude car. It has 3:31 gears in it.
I was thinking 3:73 gears would be good for this swap. I won't be towing anything, just a daily driver and mostly highway driving.
I'm open to hear others thoughts.. And if the gears for the Dana 44 are the same thru the years? I don't have parts book for 56 Studes.
George

3.73 was the standard ratio for a V-8 with overdrive. My '64 Daytona Wagonaire 259 w/overdrive came with a 3.73. If your engine is from a '64 Cruiser it should be a 289 as they didn't offer the 259 in Cruisers. If it doesn't have a "P" prefix, it isn't the original Cruiser engine.


[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/64%20Daytona%20Convertible/Copy%20of%20DaytonaConvert7-20-06.JPG[/img=right]

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

[53k]

quote:Originally posted by Orestudeguy

Ok, here goes. I have a 64 Wagonaire that originally was a six cylinder with a three speed o/d trans.
It now has a 259 V/8 from a 64 Cruiser with a three speed o/d trans.
I'm upgrading the front end with new springs & Turner front disc brake kit.
The rear still has the model 27 gear with 4:10 ratio. And the small brakes.
I have a Dana 44 rear from a 56 Stude car. It has 3:31 gears in it.
I was thinking 3:73 gears would be good for this swap. I won't be towing anything, just a daily driver and mostly highway driving.
I'm open to hear others thoughts.. And if the gears for the Dana 44 are the same thru the years? I don't have parts book for 56 Studes.
George

3.73 was the standard ratio for a V-8 with overdrive. My '64 Daytona Wagonaire 259 w/overdrive came with a 3.73. If your engine is from a '64 Cruiser it should be a 289 as they didn't offer the 259 in Cruisers. If it doesn't have a "P" prefix, it isn't the original Cruiser engine.


[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/64%20Daytona%20Convertible/Copy%20of%20DaytonaConvert7-20-06.JPG[/img=right]

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

I am new to this forum and I have a few questions I hope you guys could gelp me out with. My dad just picked up a 50 pickup shortbox and the major question is if we could swap the frame with an s10 frame and what kind of body/frame mods are we looking at. We plan on street rodding this truck a little bit with small block and maybe tubbing it. He was told you could use an s10 frame when he got it and he has been wanting me to find out for sure if the frame will work. I have a line on a 89 2wd s10 with a 355 already innstalled for a song. Anyway, any help you could give is appreciated. Thanks

[Swifster]

Get an issue of Street Roddermagazine or American Rodder. While this may not be a '32 Ford, the principle is the same. Most hot rod parts are generic and can be made to fit most anything. I've gotten a lot of ideas for my '64 Daytona while looking at magazines that cater to a different type of car (or truck).

I think many novice rodders look at clipping or substituting a frame without looking at what you have already and what can be done with it. Remember, the cab has to be attached to the (S-10) donor frame. So does the bed and front clip. I think it's easier to repair and modify the original frame while still mounting the body parts where the mounts are already set up.

I also think a car can be taken away from it's personality to the point that it just looks weird. My Daytona is a '60's car and looks that way. While I want a modern powertrain (supercharged 6.0L and 6-spd), I want the character of the car to stay the same, right down to the hurst shifter with basic white shifter knob.

Before turning a wrench, take the time to really plan out the car/truck. It will make the project move smoother and increase the chance of the car/truck turning out right. I waited two years before turning a wrench while planning what I wanted and how I'd go about doing it. So far, so good...

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Tom - Lakeland, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

Michigan Speed - www.michiganspeed.com
Club Hot Rod - www.clubhotrod.com
LS1 Tech - www.ls1tech.com

[studegary]

I know of '47 to '51 Studebaker cars that have been placed on S-10 frames, but I do not know of any Studebaker trucks placed on S-10 frames. I do know of Studebaker trucks that have been placed on full size Chevrolet/GMC truck frames. I have owned two modified Studebaker trucks, including one presently. The previous one has a Nova front clip and a 400 cubic inch Chevrolet engine and my present truck has a Trans Am front clip with a 350 ci Chevrolet engine. They both have TurboHydramatic ATs and Chevrolet rear ends. Both trucks appear stock from the outside except for tail lights and wheels/tires.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

[studegary]

I know of '47 to '51 Studebaker cars that have been placed on S-10 frames, but I do not know of any Studebaker trucks placed on S-10 frames. I do know of Studebaker trucks that have been placed on full size Chevrolet/GMC truck frames. I have owned two modified Studebaker trucks, including one presently. The previous one has a Nova front clip and a 400 cubic inch Chevrolet engine and my present truck has a Trans Am front clip with a 350 ci Chevrolet engine. They both have TurboHydramatic ATs and Chevrolet rear ends. Both trucks appear stock from the outside except for tail lights and wheels/tires.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

[Eman]

Does anyone have a really good condition trunk handle for my '51 Commander that they'd want to swap for a good 1950 trunk handle?

A friend from Missouri sent it to me and I can't use it. Still has the little glass piece too. Otherwise, I guess I'll stick it on eBay and use that money towards rechroming one I've got.

(I can email some pictures tonight if anyone is interested.)

Thanks,
Eric



[img=left]http://www.bulletshots.net/images/stella3.jpg[/img=left]1951 Commander Starlight Coupe (aka "Stella")

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[Roscomacaw]

Send me a pic, Eric. If you DO end up plating yours, be EXTRA careful who you entrust it to. Lotsa shops just wanna grind the hell outta pot metal to get rid of pits. What you end up with is the "pits" anyway!

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

[Eman]

My email (and the weather) is acting squirrelly tonight, but I think I got those images out to ya.



[img=left]http://www.bulletshots.net/images/stella3.jpg[/img=left]1951 Commander Starlight Coupe (aka "Stella")

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[Eman]

My email (and the weather) is acting squirrelly tonight, but I think I got those images out to ya.



[img=left]http://www.bulletshots.net/images/stella3.jpg[/img=left]1951 Commander Starlight Coupe (aka "Stella")

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https://www.alabamastudes.com

[JDP]

The Caddy is installed, starts with the key, good oil pressure, no water leaks and no Studebaker was harmed in the installation. I did have to space the radiator out a inch, remove the battery box and locate the battery forward and lower and will have to drill a few holes in the floor for the shifter, but no hacking required. I still need to install a rear X member for the transmission mount, make a exhaust system and install the shifter. With luck, I'll pull it out of the garage next week.
Pix here:

http://stude.com/Scotsman

JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net

http://stude.com

My Ebay Items

http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 GT hawk
64 Commander 2 dr.
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander

[JDP]

No worries, I just have not taken any new pictures with the clean tires.


JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net

http://stude.com

My Ebay Items

http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 GT hawk
64 Commander 2 dr.
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander

[stude freak]

Way to go JDP! Is this the " Studillac "of the future? If so I want one. Great work .I bet the old "scottys" feeling his oats now.

David Baggett Mantachie,Ms.

[stude freak]

Way to go JDP! Is this the " Studillac "of the future? If so I want one. Great work .I bet the old "scottys" feeling his oats now.

David Baggett Mantachie,Ms.

[Champion51]

I've had my electric wiper apart now two different times and can't seem to get it running. I don't think the motor is burnt out but don't know for sure. It is possible that the brushes are not making correct contact on the armature, but I don't know how to ensure the brushes are riding properly. I didn't see any holders for the brushes and I think something should be there to hold them tight to the armature. One of them doesn't seem to be spring loaded.
Also, I have power on all three terminals of the switch, that doesn't sound right. It will come complete with the wiring in place, gasket, the switch and circuit breaker. It could be an easy fix for someone experienced in this area and has lots of patience. I have neither.

Would like to trade for a vacuum type wiper in good working order (part #293684) for anyone who has a spare kicking around and can help me out. I would be glad to shell out $60 additional for a working electric, but as I don't plan to be driving in the rain, the vacuum will do.

Thanks everyone for any help or ideas. Email for pics of the wiper setup.

Dave D.
'51 4-dr Champion
Smithers, B.C.
Canada

[Champion51]

Yep, Bob, I know it's a step backwards, but I'm desperate. Can't find a Redmond electric anywhere. As far as I know, there has never been one on E-bay and none of the vendors have any. If you have one and are fairly certain it won't give me any grief for a few years, I'd be more than glad to take it off your hands. I'll await your response.

Dave D.
'51 4-dr Champion
Smithers, B.C.
Canada

[mapman]

I think I have a vacuum unit if you are going to need it.
Rob

[mapman]

I think I have a vacuum unit if you are going to need it.
Rob

[dallastx75208]

What seats have swaped out for a 62 hawk. Was it hard to do? Want to have headrest.

[skyway]

Mid 60's Pontiac buckets are comfortable and install easily enough; the later ones were even highbacked. Alas, you're still left with trying to figure out how to match the rear seat.

[dallastx75208]

I like the high back. Would just have them recovered to match the rear seat. My seats are in perfect condition but I do want some safety in the car as a daily driver, that is why I am after the head rest.

quote:Originally posted by skyway

Mid 60's Pontiac buckets are comfortable and install easily enough; the later ones were even highbacked. Alas, you're still left with trying to figure out how to match the rear seat.

[dallastx75208]

I like the high back. Would just have them recovered to match the rear seat. My seats are in perfect condition but I do want some safety in the car as a daily driver, that is why I am after the head rest.

quote:Originally posted by skyway

Mid 60's Pontiac buckets are comfortable and install easily enough; the later ones were even highbacked. Alas, you're still left with trying to figure out how to match the rear seat.

[Hippie]

I hope you guys don't start thinking I'm an attention whore but being new to Studebaker's I have a LOT of questions and when I get interested in something I dive in head first. This one is more of an opion request. I find the stock front seat in my '55 to be very "awkward" feeling and since I plan to spend a lot of time in it I'd like it to be more comfortable. My old work car just puked the torque converter so it is destined for the crusher. It is a 1990 Buick Regal Limited Coupe and it has a really sweet 6-way power 60/40 split bench with fully reclining backs and a fold down center armrest that just happens to be VERY similar in shape to the rear seat armrest in my '55 Commaner Regal Coupe. ( My "new" work car is a '96 Regal Gran Sport Sedan, anybody see a pattern here? ) It is also the exact same width. It has excellent lumbar and side support and is very comfy on long drives. If I ditched the headrests and had it upholstered to match my interior do you think it would look too out of place in a '55?

Analog man in a digital world.

[Hippie]

I'm doin' it. Thanks all. [8D]

Analog man in a digital world.

[sbca96]

I installed Porsche seats in my '60 Hawk years ago, that made SUCH a
difference. The seats in my Avanti were killing my back in even the
shortest trip, so I installed 1997 Camaro Z28 convertible seats. They
are an almost perfect match. I was asked at a recent car show if they
were expensive Recaros. I paid about $250 bucks for the front and the
rear seats, though I only used the fronts. The stock Avanti sliders
almost fit the Camaro seats perfectly. The convertible seats dont have
the seat belt loop on the top outside of the seatback. They are SO
much more comfortable, its not such a torture to drive!





Tom

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: 97 Z28 T-56 6-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires

[sbca96]

I installed Porsche seats in my '60 Hawk years ago, that made SUCH a
difference. The seats in my Avanti were killing my back in even the
shortest trip, so I installed 1997 Camaro Z28 convertible seats. They
are an almost perfect match. I was asked at a recent car show if they
were expensive Recaros. I paid about $250 bucks for the front and the
rear seats, though I only used the fronts. The stock Avanti sliders
almost fit the Camaro seats perfectly. The convertible seats dont have
the seat belt loop on the top outside of the seatback. They are SO
much more comfortable, its not such a torture to drive!





Tom

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: 97 Z28 T-56 6-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires

[royvaldez]

Hey guys, I have a 1951 starlight. It originally came with a 6 cylinder motor. I just purchase a 289 stude motor. It looks like I can set the 289 motor on the same motor mount fixture. Please advise if this will work. Anyone see any problems?

[royvaldez]

Hello again, Just got back. I had to pick up another engine for my 49 stude truck. Anyway, thanks again. I think I have all the information to make my engine swap.

[PlainBrownR2]

I want to add that this might also be a Ted Harbit question, although I think he was packin a Powershift. Dunno if he ever did a 4 spd or not, but its worth a shot as he had a V8 as well.


1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
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[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00009.jpg?t=1171153019[/img=right]
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[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00005.jpg?t=1171153370[/img=right]

[PlainBrownR2]

I want to add that this might also be a Ted Harbit question, although I think he was packin a Powershift. Dunno if he ever did a 4 spd or not, but its worth a shot as he had a V8 as well.


1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00003.jpg?t=1171152673[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00009.jpg?t=1171153019[/img=right]
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00002.jpg?t=1171153180[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00005.jpg?t=1171153370[/img=right]

[Anne F. Goodman]

Well we have been playing musical engines. We bought a 62 289 awhile back. David just put new rings and bearings in it it was a standard bore. Well last night we took the 57 Silverhawk to Caseys Place. We drained the radiator inpreperation for today. David Bobby and I Proceed ed to take the engine out today. WEll we got the engine out switched the water pump, manifold carburator,engine mounts exhaust manifolds, air conditioning compressor altenater fuel pump, oil breather pipe onto the 62 engine. We then proceeded to reinstall the engine. We started at 9 am we were back home by 4 pm. We heard it run. Have to do some fine tuning tomorrow and put the hood back on.
So Phase two is the Hawk engine goes in Gus the 58 Transtar. Thats next weekend. We pull Gus' engine and replace it with the Hawks.
The following weekend we put the Chrome back on the Prez. Then all of them will be in the Xmas Parade. Boy do we have alot of work to do.






Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion 4Dr.Regal
Gus 1958 Transtar
1955 President State
Fresno,Ca

[Anne F. Goodman]

Its just the angle of the picture. When I saw the picture I shot I went back over to the car and eyeballed it again and again. To make sure. I'm the one who put the belts on but that shot made me question myself. Doesn't hurt to recheck. Thanks for bringing it up though.

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion 4Dr.Regal
Gus 1958 Transtar
1955 President State
Fresno,Ca

[mbstude]

Wow... [:0]

I'm sending you guys my Daytona.

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

[mbstude]

Wow... [:0]

I'm sending you guys my Daytona.

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

[JDP]

Although not a Studebaker swap, this thread is one hell of a read for those that think engine swapping is a cake walk.

http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9648&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,439.30
63 Lark 2 door
52 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

[PlainBrownR2]

Yeahhhh back in Yahoo there were a few guys as innovative as this. I remember a couple where one plunked a 351 into a D-50. There had to be about three makes in that car as the pickup had ties to Dodge and Mitsubishi, and then the V8 was Ford. There was another where I think he had 1UZFE, or Toyota's V8, on the brain(good way of course) as he used the engine in a few places other than a Toyota. That brings up a couple other things, though

You guys don't think the V8 or the swap is limited to US shores do ya? [:P]
Theres a seems to be a little more to a swap these days as the engine has to have an electronic brain associated with it or wired to the engine to run fuel, ignition, etc on the block. Principle is there, just a little more involved.....
Gotta be careful with how these cars are perceived as even though many are quite small, they're dropping in high quality "big blocks"(compacts with engines about the size of our 259 or 289) with things like turbos and a few cases, superchargers into these cars. I gotta say though, with some of these guys it can be a case of not only frame rails, but also firewall, shock towers, how far you wanna cut out the Unibody before the car can be declared a lost cause, etc...

Old or new, nonetheless, yeah I can imagine it is no cake walk as it requires the engineering talent of the person performing the swap

[tstclr]

How about this one!

http://www.ntahc.org/modifiedhealeys/Photos/126Marian/Marian.htm

Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan

[tstclr]

How about this one!

http://www.ntahc.org/modifiedhealeys/Photos/126Marian/Marian.htm

Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan

[mbstude]

Anybody got a straight, rust free pair? Never too soon to start looking for the Unobtanium parts. [V]

Matthew Burnette
Studebaker Disc Brake Evangelist

[redvoyager]

I like the white/orange also.
As for mine, I have to get a rear end narrowed so that I can change out the 5.88 rear with a more reasonable 3.56 and keep the original duallies.


Norm
58 Transtar 1 ton dually PU
58 2 door wagon
Davenport, Fl

[mbstude]

quote:Can you do a 56 with red on top gun barrel grey on bottom?

Possibly... My granddad has a '56 1 ton. Not quite sure what the plans are for it.

The way it's looking right now, I will most likely fix the truck enough to drive it until I get around to redoing it right. (As in a primered hood and a white fiberglass grille, the rest of the paint will have to wait). I do need one of those straight bumpers, however.

Matthew Burnette

[bkz81]

I would love to see that photo shop of the red and grey. I also wonder if anyone ever had one of these grills chromed along with the front bumper before the grill went to fiberglass, alot like chevys of the same timeframe