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JDP
07-03-2007, 11:04 PM
Robert Andrews came down to pick up the 59 Lark with a tow dolly and broke down about a hour from me on the Washington beltway. A rear wheel came loose on the Studebaker and he lost the brake drum on the side of the road and sheared off all the studs. All I can think of for a emergency repair is to drive the studs out and have new ones installed and tow it home minus the lost drum. I don't have studs, nor a six cylinder rear but I have a V8 drum we could mount (I think it'll work since he does not need brakes) )but it'll be necessary to drive out the studs and use bolts to use the puller. He's talking about dollying it backwards and that's not going to work in my opinion even with the wheel tied off. It sounds damn dangerous to me.
He's close to N8, maybe N8 could help in the A.M if any parts stores are open the 4th or I could drive up. Any idea's ? Robert's cell is 1-315-440-7351

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
62 Gt Hawk
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

mbstude
07-03-2007, 11:10 PM
Another reason why we have a trailer and not a dolly.

;););)[:o)][:o)][:o)]

(Couldn't resist Bob!)

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

mbstude
07-03-2007, 11:10 PM
Another reason why we have a trailer and not a dolly.

;););)[:o)][:o)][:o)]

(Couldn't resist Bob!)

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

JDP
07-03-2007, 11:14 PM
Well, against my pleading, he's loaded it backwards, tied the wheel off and is going down the road. He says he's just fine, but I'm staying up until he stops for the night. He says he's got 20,000 miles on that dolly and is a veteran at hauling old clunkers home, let's all cross our fingers. :)

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
62 Gt Hawk
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
07-03-2007, 11:14 PM
Well, against my pleading, he's loaded it backwards, tied the wheel off and is going down the road. He says he's just fine, but I'm staying up until he stops for the night. He says he's got 20,000 miles on that dolly and is a veteran at hauling old clunkers home, let's all cross our fingers. :)

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
62 Gt Hawk
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

mbstude
07-03-2007, 11:23 PM
Wow, talk about being brave. [:0] Good luck there Bob...

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

mbstude
07-03-2007, 11:23 PM
Wow, talk about being brave. [:0] Good luck there Bob...

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

rockne10
07-03-2007, 11:23 PM
If he's minimized the tie rod movement he should be fine, unless he blows a tire or busts the studs on a front drum![:0]

rockne10
07-03-2007, 11:23 PM
If he's minimized the tie rod movement he should be fine, unless he blows a tire or busts the studs on a front drum![:0]

Roscomacaw
07-03-2007, 11:31 PM
A dolly's not even HALF as good as a trailer![xx(]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
07-03-2007, 11:31 PM
A dolly's not even HALF as good as a trailer![xx(]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

bams50
07-04-2007, 12:12 AM
Hey all- all's well, on my way and stopped for the night; will finish up tomorrow and do a trip report then!

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

bams50
07-04-2007, 12:12 AM
Hey all- all's well, on my way and stopped for the night; will finish up tomorrow and do a trip report then!

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

stude53
07-04-2007, 12:57 AM
Take 'er easy and git it done, Bob.

[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

stude53
07-04-2007, 12:57 AM
Take 'er easy and git it done, Bob.

[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

Mark57
07-04-2007, 01:01 AM
Determination or stubborness[?][:0]
Bob - I hope it winds up OK;)

Mark
57 Transtar

Mark57
07-04-2007, 01:01 AM
Determination or stubborness[?][:0]
Bob - I hope it winds up OK;)

Mark
57 Transtar

studeclunker
07-04-2007, 01:16 AM
LOL! Sounds familliar! Gee, I wonder who does things like that? Why... Me! LOL!:D

You're right, Biggsie! A dolly is only half as good as a trailer. It's also only a quarter the weight. There are people who put tens of thousands of miles on dollied cars behind motorhomes. There's nothing wrong with a dolly. Heck, I'd love to have one! Would you believe that the state of California is going to require brakes on them now?[:o)]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

studeclunker
07-04-2007, 01:16 AM
LOL! Sounds familliar! Gee, I wonder who does things like that? Why... Me! LOL!:D

You're right, Biggsie! A dolly is only half as good as a trailer. It's also only a quarter the weight. There are people who put tens of thousands of miles on dollied cars behind motorhomes. There's nothing wrong with a dolly. Heck, I'd love to have one! Would you believe that the state of California is going to require brakes on them now?[:o)]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

Dick Steinkamp
07-04-2007, 01:45 AM
quote:Originally posted by Studedude
As has been stated before, tongue weight is not an issue with a dolly. The lack of adequate braking is, however, a safety issue.


That's my issue with dollys or flat towing. You can't double the weight of a vehicle...not add any additional braking ability...and expect it to stop in an emergency.

I guess I still knowingly (and stupidly) dodge some bullets on occasion...I just hate to see others do it too.



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
07-04-2007, 01:45 AM
quote:Originally posted by Studedude
As has been stated before, tongue weight is not an issue with a dolly. The lack of adequate braking is, however, a safety issue.


That's my issue with dollys or flat towing. You can't double the weight of a vehicle...not add any additional braking ability...and expect it to stop in an emergency.

I guess I still knowingly (and stupidly) dodge some bullets on occasion...I just hate to see others do it too.



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

sbca96
07-04-2007, 02:02 AM
On my commute home last night there was a LARGE boat on the shoulder
that had come off the trailer somehow. This was a flat rear bottom
type twin engine deal, I dont know boats, but it was about twice the
size of your average speedboat - with living quarters.[:0]

You dont see THAT everyday.;)

Tom

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: 97 Z28 T-56 6-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires

sbca96
07-04-2007, 02:02 AM
On my commute home last night there was a LARGE boat on the shoulder
that had come off the trailer somehow. This was a flat rear bottom
type twin engine deal, I dont know boats, but it was about twice the
size of your average speedboat - with living quarters.[:0]

You dont see THAT everyday.;)

Tom

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: 97 Z28 T-56 6-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires

JDP
07-04-2007, 08:57 AM
Bam's did tie the hood down and even pulled the rear hub caps before he drove it up on the dolly. The old tires looked OK, but it did not occur to either of us to check the lug nuts. BTW, Dave, I was just looking to help Bam's get back on the road, not get him arrested.:)

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
62 Gt Hawk
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
07-04-2007, 08:57 AM
Bam's did tie the hood down and even pulled the rear hub caps before he drove it up on the dolly. The old tires looked OK, but it did not occur to either of us to check the lug nuts. BTW, Dave, I was just looking to help Bam's get back on the road, not get him arrested.:)

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
62 Gt Hawk
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

showbizkid
07-04-2007, 10:53 AM
quote:Originally posted by sbca96

On my commute home last night there was a LARGE boat on the shoulder
that had come off the trailer somehow. This was a flat rear bottom
type twin engine deal, I dont know boats, but it was about twice the
size of your average speedboat - with living quarters.[:0]

You dont see THAT everyday.;)

Tom


"Welcome to California, Land of Unsecured Loads!"


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

showbizkid
07-04-2007, 10:53 AM
quote:Originally posted by sbca96

On my commute home last night there was a LARGE boat on the shoulder
that had come off the trailer somehow. This was a flat rear bottom
type twin engine deal, I dont know boats, but it was about twice the
size of your average speedboat - with living quarters.[:0]

You dont see THAT everyday.;)

Tom


"Welcome to California, Land of Unsecured Loads!"


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

bob40
07-04-2007, 12:04 PM
So Bams is towing it backwards with only one wheel strapped down to the dolly? If it sheared off the studs what was there to secure the wheel on that side.Reinforces the old adage about the proper tool for the job.

bob40
07-04-2007, 12:04 PM
So Bams is towing it backwards with only one wheel strapped down to the dolly? If it sheared off the studs what was there to secure the wheel on that side.Reinforces the old adage about the proper tool for the job.

Swifster
07-04-2007, 12:37 PM
John would know what Robert was towing with, but the standard in towing with a dolly (this is per U-Haul) is the towed load should not be more than 75% than the weight of the towing vehicle. The towed load includes the weight of the dolly. When I bought my dolly, it was for the express reason to tow my Daytona from Lake Tahoe back to Detroit.

While there are no absolutes in guessing vehicle weights, being a roller, with no engine, transmission, drive shaft, some interior trim, etc., I made an estimated guess that the car weighed approximately 2500 lbs. Add in the weight of the 350 lb tow dolly, the total guessed weight was 2850 lbs. With a truck that weighs 3850 lbs, the percentage was a close 74%.

The tow rating, not taking the type of towed vehicle/trailer into account, is 3500 lbs. Many single axle trailers do not have braking systems. Most half ton trucks weigh in excess of 5000 lbs. This would allow a towed weight of 3750 lbs which will cover most tow dollies and most Larks.

Towing my Daytona through the mountains was not a issue. Like towing any load, with or without trailer brakes, one must anticipate other vehicle's actions. I will argue that at full load, I would still be able to outbrake any tractor/trailer combination on our highways. What does create problems is overloading the towing vehicle. Towing a 4000 lb Chevelle with the same tow dolly would overwelm my Ranger and whatever brake system installed on a dolly.

What happened to Robert could happen to any Studebaker. Age happens, even to well maintained vehicles. I towed mine front end forward, and had no problems. I had radials on the rear that were in good condition. And with one pothole I could have snapped a hub and been in the same position Robert found himself in. If I drove a car like this, I could have snapped an axle and been in the same position.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/1965_Studebaker_Commander_front198x.jpg

Swifster
07-04-2007, 12:37 PM
John would know what Robert was towing with, but the standard in towing with a dolly (this is per U-Haul) is the towed load should not be more than 75% than the weight of the towing vehicle. The towed load includes the weight of the dolly. When I bought my dolly, it was for the express reason to tow my Daytona from Lake Tahoe back to Detroit.

While there are no absolutes in guessing vehicle weights, being a roller, with no engine, transmission, drive shaft, some interior trim, etc., I made an estimated guess that the car weighed approximately 2500 lbs. Add in the weight of the 350 lb tow dolly, the total guessed weight was 2850 lbs. With a truck that weighs 3850 lbs, the percentage was a close 74%.

The tow rating, not taking the type of towed vehicle/trailer into account, is 3500 lbs. Many single axle trailers do not have braking systems. Most half ton trucks weigh in excess of 5000 lbs. This would allow a towed weight of 3750 lbs which will cover most tow dollies and most Larks.

Towing my Daytona through the mountains was not a issue. Like towing any load, with or without trailer brakes, one must anticipate other vehicle's actions. I will argue that at full load, I would still be able to outbrake any tractor/trailer combination on our highways. What does create problems is overloading the towing vehicle. Towing a 4000 lb Chevelle with the same tow dolly would overwelm my Ranger and whatever brake system installed on a dolly.

What happened to Robert could happen to any Studebaker. Age happens, even to well maintained vehicles. I towed mine front end forward, and had no problems. I had radials on the rear that were in good condition. And with one pothole I could have snapped a hub and been in the same position Robert found himself in. If I drove a car like this, I could have snapped an axle and been in the same position.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/1965_Studebaker_Commander_front198x.jpg

HookedonStudies
07-04-2007, 12:54 PM
First of all, congrats Bams on the new Lark! While everyone has their own comfort level with towing and safety, there are other condsiderations that haven't been mentioned. Towing speed, route selection, time of day and driving style can all make a significant difference. As mentioned in the trailer/tow dolley discussion, not everyone secures their trailer load in a safe manner, and many if not most drivers towing an antique vehicle are not totally comfortable with their own eperience driving such a load. Common sense and personal judgement should be our primary guiding forces.

55 Commander
58 Transtar
62 GT Hawk
66 Cruiser

HookedonStudies
07-04-2007, 12:54 PM
First of all, congrats Bams on the new Lark! While everyone has their own comfort level with towing and safety, there are other condsiderations that haven't been mentioned. Towing speed, route selection, time of day and driving style can all make a significant difference. As mentioned in the trailer/tow dolley discussion, not everyone secures their trailer load in a safe manner, and many if not most drivers towing an antique vehicle are not totally comfortable with their own eperience driving such a load. Common sense and personal judgement should be our primary guiding forces.

55 Commander
58 Transtar
62 GT Hawk
66 Cruiser

studegary
07-04-2007, 02:39 PM
I think that it is good that Bob had a lot of experience using a tow dolly. This experience probably came into play at the moment of impending disaster.

I would have recommended that he rent a trailer when he had the problem and haul the car and tow dolly the rest of the way home. Hopefully, he makes the rest of the trip home safely.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
07-04-2007, 02:39 PM
I think that it is good that Bob had a lot of experience using a tow dolly. This experience probably came into play at the moment of impending disaster.

I would have recommended that he rent a trailer when he had the problem and haul the car and tow dolly the rest of the way home. Hopefully, he makes the rest of the trip home safely.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

JDP
07-04-2007, 02:45 PM
Well, he is home safe with the car, averaged 54 MPH on his GPS. The car is off the dolly, and he has the extra parts need in hand.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
62 Gt Hawk
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
07-04-2007, 02:45 PM
Well, he is home safe with the car, averaged 54 MPH on his GPS. The car is off the dolly, and he has the extra parts need in hand.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
62 Gt Hawk
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

sbca96
07-04-2007, 03:15 PM
One of the reasons I bought my '95 Impala SS clone, and installed a
class III hitch on it, was to someday tow my Avanti to shows. I was
thinking a black Impala SS with black tinted windows towing a black
Avanti with black tinted windows would look pretty slick![8D] Also my
dad towed my moms late 50's Impala convertible across the US with his
62 Lark hardtop back in the very early 60s ... I figured that it was
only fair to employ the Impala - turn-a-bout is fair play! The weight
of the Impala is 4200 pounds, the towing capacity is 6000 pounds. An
Avanti weights 3500 pounds + trailer/dolly. I wanted to use a full
trailer with brakes .. does that help or hinder the recipe?

Chances are I will like DRIVING the Avanti so much I will never want
to tow it anyway - but its a thought.;)

Tom


quote:Originally posted by Swifster
John would know what Robert was towing with, but the standard in towing with a dolly (this is per U-Haul) is the towed load should not be more than 75% than the weight of the towing vehicle. The towed load includes the weight of the dolly. ..... While there are no absolutes in guessing vehicle weights, being a roller, with no engine, transmission, drive shaft, some interior trim, etc., I made an estimated guess that the car weighed approximately 2500 lbs. Add in the weight of the 350 lb tow dolly, the total guessed weight was 2850 lbs. With a truck that weighs 3850 lbs, the percentage was a close 74%.

sbca96
07-04-2007, 03:15 PM
One of the reasons I bought my '95 Impala SS clone, and installed a
class III hitch on it, was to someday tow my Avanti to shows. I was
thinking a black Impala SS with black tinted windows towing a black
Avanti with black tinted windows would look pretty slick![8D] Also my
dad towed my moms late 50's Impala convertible across the US with his
62 Lark hardtop back in the very early 60s ... I figured that it was
only fair to employ the Impala - turn-a-bout is fair play! The weight
of the Impala is 4200 pounds, the towing capacity is 6000 pounds. An
Avanti weights 3500 pounds + trailer/dolly. I wanted to use a full
trailer with brakes .. does that help or hinder the recipe?

Chances are I will like DRIVING the Avanti so much I will never want
to tow it anyway - but its a thought.;)

Tom


quote:Originally posted by Swifster
John would know what Robert was towing with, but the standard in towing with a dolly (this is per U-Haul) is the towed load should not be more than 75% than the weight of the towing vehicle. The towed load includes the weight of the dolly. ..... While there are no absolutes in guessing vehicle weights, being a roller, with no engine, transmission, drive shaft, some interior trim, etc., I made an estimated guess that the car weighed approximately 2500 lbs. Add in the weight of the 350 lb tow dolly, the total guessed weight was 2850 lbs. With a truck that weighs 3850 lbs, the percentage was a close 74%.

studegary
07-04-2007, 03:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


quote:Originally posted by Studedude
As has been stated before, tongue weight is not an issue with a dolly. The lack of adequate braking is, however, a safety issue.


That's my issue with dollys or flat towing. You can't double the weight of a vehicle...not add any additional braking ability...and expect it to stop in an emergency.





I have trailered many vehicles on trailers with four wheel brakes and that is fine. My experience with inadequate brakes is with stretch limousines. I have many tens of thousands of miles of experience with them. I don't know why they aren't required to have more braking added. They take a car, cut it in half and add a large section in the middle. The section itself adds some weight, but the real added weight is the additional passenger load of several more people. I was always mindful of the reduced braking capacity. I recall doing many functions, like weddings, where there were three or more limousines traveling together. Most times, after a stop, I noticed plumes of brake smoke coming from the front wheelwells of the other limousines, but I never saw it on the one that I was driving.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
07-04-2007, 03:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


quote:Originally posted by Studedude
As has been stated before, tongue weight is not an issue with a dolly. The lack of adequate braking is, however, a safety issue.


That's my issue with dollys or flat towing. You can't double the weight of a vehicle...not add any additional braking ability...and expect it to stop in an emergency.





I have trailered many vehicles on trailers with four wheel brakes and that is fine. My experience with inadequate brakes is with stretch limousines. I have many tens of thousands of miles of experience with them. I don't know why they aren't required to have more braking added. They take a car, cut it in half and add a large section in the middle. The section itself adds some weight, but the real added weight is the additional passenger load of several more people. I was always mindful of the reduced braking capacity. I recall doing many functions, like weddings, where there were three or more limousines traveling together. Most times, after a stop, I noticed plumes of brake smoke coming from the front wheelwells of the other limousines, but I never saw it on the one that I was driving.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

bams50
07-05-2007, 06:50 AM
Got home early Wed. afternoon. After the initial problem, the trip was trouble-free.

What happened was, the LR wheel studs sheared off. This was due to loose lug nuts. I had pulled the hubcaps to avoid the possibility of losing them, SOP for me. The irony is, I brought 2 new, mounted tires to replace the rolling ones to avoid the chance of a blowout; but after looking the tires over we thought they looked just fine- no dry-rot. So I decided there was no need to change them. I did look at the nuts, as well as the center nut, and all looked well. I was having a good time talking with John and it never occured to me to check tightness; and the overall condition of the car didn't indicate a need to. Lesson learned.

After the truoble I called John; he didn't have any parts for it. As luck would have it, I was near an exit; so after thinking about it for a minute, I slowly pulled it off the exit into a parking lot, unloaded it, loaded it backwards, and tied the steering wheel. This is not ideal, b/c if the steering has much play in it, you'll be limited to 30-40 MPH or it'll sway... as it turns out, the steering is pretty tight; so it towed comfortably up to 60 or so. That was fine with me; as noted my moving average was 54.1 MPH. It was a trick to get it loaded; easy to secure- tied the remaining rear wheel as normal; the straps are infinitely adjustable, so I just drew the harness up short on both sides of the backing plate and tightened as usual. Neither side budged all the way home.

I was surprised that John has never heard of tying off the steering wheel! Someone told him- mistakenly- that this cannot work... not true! I did commercial towing for years, and this is common procedure with a tow truck.

To answer some questions: My van weighs over 5000 lbs., so it's plenty heavy enough to tow a dolly; stops well even without dolly brakes. As with all trips with the dolly, had the wheel not come loose, it would have been uneventful. That was a fluke, and is easy to insure it will never happen again! You bet I checked the front studs before I started out again...

This was not a dolly problem; had nothing to do with the dolly! In fact, when the trouble happened, the car stayed straight and true behind me, allowing me to get it over and stopped safely; lose a wheel off a trailer, and your chances are MUCH worse. Yes, you'll know your lugs are tight b/c you checked them at home, but stuff can still happen. As Ron stated, the weight is MUCH less, thus much less to get stopped and under control in the case of trouble. And maybe the biggest advantage- and one most seem to overlook- is center of gravity. With a trailer, your load is a lot higher above the ground, thus much higher COG; if you have to make any kind of evasive maneuver, this is HUGE! I know that some who are stubbornly against dollies will try to jump on this; sorry, but for the above reasons, combined with many years' experience with both, I'll use the dolly whenever practical!

As for the car: She's already loved here! Names are being considered, but Gertie seems to be the frontrunner... The damage was confined to the drum and studs, wheel, and backing plate- and the most heartbreaking part: the WWW tire:( I hope I can find a replacement; will start a separate thread for that. As it happens, I have another frame currently in my garage with everything I need to fix it! Brakes and hardware are new, and were unharmed. Slight damage to quarter panel lip.

I lucked out on all this; both the incident and the damage. There are clear ways to insure continued safe use of the dolly, and will certainly implement those! I got the impression some let their imagination run away with them out of concern (thank you!!) but this was not a really crazy incident; biggest problem was having to stop on the highway. Once I got it off there the rest was acedemic. I've learned something to refine my routine, and will do so!

Thank you all for your support, and thanks to JP for a great old car! I'm betting he could have g

bams50
07-05-2007, 06:50 AM
Got home early Wed. afternoon. After the initial problem, the trip was trouble-free.

What happened was, the LR wheel studs sheared off. This was due to loose lug nuts. I had pulled the hubcaps to avoid the possibility of losing them, SOP for me. The irony is, I brought 2 new, mounted tires to replace the rolling ones to avoid the chance of a blowout; but after looking the tires over we thought they looked just fine- no dry-rot. So I decided there was no need to change them. I did look at the nuts, as well as the center nut, and all looked well. I was having a good time talking with John and it never occured to me to check tightness; and the overall condition of the car didn't indicate a need to. Lesson learned.

After the truoble I called John; he didn't have any parts for it. As luck would have it, I was near an exit; so after thinking about it for a minute, I slowly pulled it off the exit into a parking lot, unloaded it, loaded it backwards, and tied the steering wheel. This is not ideal, b/c if the steering has much play in it, you'll be limited to 30-40 MPH or it'll sway... as it turns out, the steering is pretty tight; so it towed comfortably up to 60 or so. That was fine with me; as noted my moving average was 54.1 MPH. It was a trick to get it loaded; easy to secure- tied the remaining rear wheel as normal; the straps are infinitely adjustable, so I just drew the harness up short on both sides of the backing plate and tightened as usual. Neither side budged all the way home.

I was surprised that John has never heard of tying off the steering wheel! Someone told him- mistakenly- that this cannot work... not true! I did commercial towing for years, and this is common procedure with a tow truck.

To answer some questions: My van weighs over 5000 lbs., so it's plenty heavy enough to tow a dolly; stops well even without dolly brakes. As with all trips with the dolly, had the wheel not come loose, it would have been uneventful. That was a fluke, and is easy to insure it will never happen again! You bet I checked the front studs before I started out again...

This was not a dolly problem; had nothing to do with the dolly! In fact, when the trouble happened, the car stayed straight and true behind me, allowing me to get it over and stopped safely; lose a wheel off a trailer, and your chances are MUCH worse. Yes, you'll know your lugs are tight b/c you checked them at home, but stuff can still happen. As Ron stated, the weight is MUCH less, thus much less to get stopped and under control in the case of trouble. And maybe the biggest advantage- and one most seem to overlook- is center of gravity. With a trailer, your load is a lot higher above the ground, thus much higher COG; if you have to make any kind of evasive maneuver, this is HUGE! I know that some who are stubbornly against dollies will try to jump on this; sorry, but for the above reasons, combined with many years' experience with both, I'll use the dolly whenever practical!

As for the car: She's already loved here! Names are being considered, but Gertie seems to be the frontrunner... The damage was confined to the drum and studs, wheel, and backing plate- and the most heartbreaking part: the WWW tire:( I hope I can find a replacement; will start a separate thread for that. As it happens, I have another frame currently in my garage with everything I need to fix it! Brakes and hardware are new, and were unharmed. Slight damage to quarter panel lip.

I lucked out on all this; both the incident and the damage. There are clear ways to insure continued safe use of the dolly, and will certainly implement those! I got the impression some let their imagination run away with them out of concern (thank you!!) but this was not a really crazy incident; biggest problem was having to stop on the highway. Once I got it off there the rest was acedemic. I've learned something to refine my routine, and will do so!

Thank you all for your support, and thanks to JP for a great old car! I'm betting he could have g

lstude
07-05-2007, 06:59 AM
Glad you got home OK and glad you have the Lark.

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

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lstude
07-05-2007, 06:59 AM
Glad you got home OK and glad you have the Lark.

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

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JDP
07-05-2007, 09:28 AM
Go on ebay, search "wide whites" in ebay motors tire section.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
62 Gt Hawk
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
07-05-2007, 09:28 AM
Go on ebay, search "wide whites" in ebay motors tire section.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
62 Gt Hawk
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

N8N
07-06-2007, 04:43 PM
Glad everything worked out... I've been skimming the forums this week, somehow this thread slipped by me until yesterday. Yes, I've tied off the steering wheel before too, makes me nervous but it works. Sometimes tow truck guys will even use the front seatbelt! Would have been glad to help had it been necessary but it sounds like you had everything under control.

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
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N8N
07-06-2007, 04:43 PM
Glad everything worked out... I've been skimming the forums this week, somehow this thread slipped by me until yesterday. Yes, I've tied off the steering wheel before too, makes me nervous but it works. Sometimes tow truck guys will even use the front seatbelt! Would have been glad to help had it been necessary but it sounds like you had everything under control.

nate

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55 Commander Starlight
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bams50
07-06-2007, 05:11 PM
Much appreciated, Nate...

My first reflex was to call John to see if he had any parts laying around... once I took a minute to actually think, everything fell into place.

I feel bad for costing John sleep when it wasn't relly necessary... oh well...[B)][:I]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

bams50
07-06-2007, 05:11 PM
Much appreciated, Nate...

My first reflex was to call John to see if he had any parts laying around... once I took a minute to actually think, everything fell into place.

I feel bad for costing John sleep when it wasn't relly necessary... oh well...[B)][:I]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

JDP
07-06-2007, 05:25 PM
You didn't cause me any sleep, I usually work the net until 1 AM or so.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
62 Gt Hawk
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
07-06-2007, 05:25 PM
You didn't cause me any sleep, I usually work the net until 1 AM or so.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
62 Gt Hawk
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

bams50
07-08-2007, 02:48 PM
Just thought I'd add this:

I stopped for the night at this rest area... when I woke up in the morning, this truck was parked next to me- and I thought the slogan wa VERY appropriate!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/264.jpg

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

bams50
07-08-2007, 02:48 PM
Just thought I'd add this:

I stopped for the night at this rest area... when I woke up in the morning, this truck was parked next to me- and I thought the slogan wa VERY appropriate!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/264.jpg

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1