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stude13
07-01-2007, 11:38 AM
hi; please dont think me a heretic as i have owned 5 stockers. this is my question! i purchased a rusty 57 silver hawk and will be using a firebird front clip i need the place to cut the 57s frame. this car will be driven daily with a big smile and pride in the marque. roll on. i have a gmail--stude13@gmail.com

Dick Steinkamp
07-01-2007, 11:56 AM
I've never done this, but recently I did see an attempt to graft a Camaro clip to a '53 Coupe. The clip was wider than the Stude frame so it was just welded to the outside of the cutoff Stude frame. Probably THE WORST attempt I have ever seen to change the front suspension on a Stude. Needless to say, the project was abandoned some time ago and the Stude was essentially ruined.

This is not to say that yours would be the same. Just measure very carefully to insure the Firebird clip has the proper dimensions to even think about such a swap. Just because the Firebird clip might be available doesn't mean it will actually work in your specific application.

If it does measure out, you still have a whole mountain of other fabrication issues to deal with. Think it through carefully. Find someone who has actually done the same swap successfully. Don't reinvent the wheel if possible.

Also, ask yourself WHY you want to do such a swap. A rebuilt Stude front end is a good independent suspension, disk brakes are available for it, I personally don't believe a clip is worth the trouble (and it's A LOT of trouble)...no advantages that I can see (and I'm a hot rodder [:0])

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

stude13
07-01-2007, 12:12 PM
hi dick; thank you for the reply. it just rained on my parade but it was a drizzle. i will go stock again. ill run the 259 3sp over. thanks stude13

DEEPNHOCK
07-01-2007, 12:47 PM
You will find that the clip will be slightly wider than what you have now. Some like to cut a strip right out of the center of the clip and weld it back together.
Another alternative is to leave the clip width alone and run narrowed a-arms (Fatman Fab $750 pr)...
For what this is going to cost you, you could have your stock front end rebuilt with new Turner disc brakes, springs, shocks, sway bar, and a keg of beer for the party you would throw when it is back out on the street....
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by stude13

hi; please dont think me a heretic as i have owned 5 stockers. this is my question! i purchased a rusty 57 silver hawk and will be using a firebird front clip i need the place to cut the 57s frame. this car will be driven daily with a big smile and pride in the marque. roll on. i have a gmail--stude13@gmail.com


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sbca96
07-01-2007, 04:31 PM
Or there is the Art Morrison frame ...... rather then cutting stuff.

Art Morrison makes a frame for the C/K body, which since Studebaker
used very similar frame under almost all models, could be adapted to
fit a number of cars. This frame uses a Corvette front suspension and
a 4 link rear suspension. It will basically update your car to a new
car mechanicals. Thats the way to go in MY mind for a clean install.
I would also bet the cost would be considerably cheaper in the end.

http://nelson-motorsports.com/111-1155_IMG_small.JPGhttp://nelson-motorsports.com/111-1159_IMG_small.JPGhttp://nelson-motorsports.com/111-1158_IMG_small.JPG

http://nelson-motorsports.com/studebaker.htm

Tom

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: 97 Z28 T-56 6-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires

DEEPNHOCK
07-01-2007, 04:54 PM
Fifteen grand plus by the time you are done is cheaper in the end?
Which end?;)
It is a nice setup.
Ask them where he got all the datum line info on the Stude chassis...
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by sbca96

Or there is the Art Morrison frame ...... rather then cutting stuff.
Art Morrison makes a frame for the C/K body, which since Studebaker
used very similar frame under almost all models, could be adapted to
fit a number of cars. This frame uses a Corvette front suspension and
a 4 link rear suspension. It will basically update your car to a new
car mechanicals. Thats the way to go in MY mind for a clean install.
I would also bet the cost would be considerably cheaper in the end.
Tom

sbca96
07-01-2007, 05:11 PM
I didnt see the 15 grand for the frame listed. Sorry.

Tom

DEEPNHOCK
07-01-2007, 05:34 PM
No, no Tom...
Don't take it wrong...
Morrison's stuff is real nice indeed... And the price for a complete roller chassis is proof positive..
We all cringe at the $75,000 prices that some cars bring, but we don't really connect on 'how' the price gets up there....
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by sbca96

I didnt see the 15 grand for the frame listed. Sorry.

Tom

sbca96
07-01-2007, 06:52 PM
I have always wanted a 63-67 Corvette, and have been looking at kit
cars that pop up from time to time. A buddy who is a Corvette nut
sent me a couple links for frames similar to Art's. They use a 4th
Gen Corvette suspension. The frame is around 4000-5000 bucks, then it
needs the suspension. Sure you can buy all new parts, and jump the
price of the build to 75,000 dollars, but you can also do some legwork
and drop that cost dramatically. He quoted a similar price for the
63 Vette mentioned above, but if you bought a running late 80s Vette,
preferably wrecked, but usable, you would have pretty much everything
you need to build the car after buying the frame. Figure 5000 for the
frame plus 8000 to 10,000 for the totalled Vette. He also quoted a
5,0000 to 10,000 dollar paint job, but since I would want to use it as
a track car - Earl's $800 dollar urethane would do just fine! I see
no reason to dump the stock stuff personally, but chopping the frame
rails off to tuck a floating subframe welded to a full frame seems a
bit dodgy to me. Especially since the Camaro suspension isnt going to
get you THAT much over stock. If you are going to spend the money to
get that involved, swap the whole frame and sell the original one to
someone restoring a Stude to reclaim some of you costs.

Thats were I was going in "less" cost. I honestly dont know how much
the Art Morrison frame is.

Tom

bams50
07-01-2007, 09:06 PM
Along those lines, I like the show "Wrecks to Riches"... they supposedly scrounge up a shabby body, gut it, add all BN body panels, all new crate drivetrain, all new suspension in boxes, all new glass and trim, and all new pro interior, and show paint- about 3 weeks start to finish; then take it to auction and "hope" they break even...[|)] Somehow they always manage to, and make $20k clear profit-..... WHEW, thank Heavens, escaped again.......

Not very realistic, but entertaining just the same...

Although it would be fun to do one like that once- just buy everything BN and slap it on...............[8D]



Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
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bradnree
07-01-2007, 10:23 PM
If you want to convert something to something take a look at the ads and articles in NSRA's magazine (National Street Rod Assoc.) and GoodGuys Gazette for information. Both street rod organizations are on line and invite bone stock and modified Studebakers to their events. Their magazines usually have Stude. photos. DesMoines GoodGuys is this week, so come and see the Studebakers, and vendors for converting something to something or decide on plain stock. I have both stock and modified. Stock is much easier to deal with. Modified takes more thought and planning. There will be 3,000 modifieds in Des Moines of one brand or another. Louisville will have 11,000 modifieds in attendance. NSRA, West Allis Wi, July 13-15 ; GoodGuys, July 13-15 Columbus OH. Other shows are on-line.....................Brad

stude13
07-02-2007, 03:15 AM
wow; you guys are teriffic. it has been mind expanding without the spine tremors. stude13

stude13
07-06-2007, 12:37 PM
hi guys; im a normal rodder, old and broke. thanks stude13

CraigMorrison
07-20-2007, 09:30 AM
Hi guys, Craig Morrison here, if I can answer any questions about our products, please just let me know! Our next in-house project is going to be a 53 Commander and it will be covered in Rod and Custom. The 53-54's have been real hot item the past few months as we have built 6 or so custom frames for these cars. Here are some "before" shots and a few rendering ideas.
http://images9.fotki.com/v175/photos/4/453080/1860925/DSC01384-vi.jpg
http://images110.fotki.com/v566/photos/4/453080/1755002/stude2steelies-vi.jpg
http://images20.fotki.com/v248/photos/4/453080/1755002/stude2boyds-vi.jpg
It's going to be a fun project, and I hope you guys don't mind if I ask a few Stude related questions along the way.

Have a great day!

Dick Steinkamp
07-20-2007, 12:20 PM
quote:Originally posted by CraigMorrison

Hi guys, Craig Morrison here, if I can answer any questions about our products, please just let me know! Our next in-house project is going to be a 53 Commander and it will be covered in Rod and Custom. The 53-54's have been real hot item the past few months as we have built 6 or so custom frames for these cars. Here are some "before" shots and a few rendering ideas.

and I hope you guys don't mind if I ask a few Stude related questions along the way.


Welcome aboard, Craig! [8D].

I'm sure you will get all your Stude related questions addressed here. We'd love to help with this project. Publicity like this Rod and Custom series does nothing but good for the SDC and our hobby.

Morrison is located right here in the Pacific Northwest...

http://www.artmorrison.com/

They have gone out on a BIG limb to produce C/K frames and complete chassis. The good news is, they are selling them :D. My buddy Keith Christensen in Mt. Vernon has just taken delivery on one for his '53 hardtop project. I've seen the chassis and let me tell you that Morrison's work is absolutely first class [:p].

Some of you know Bob Wooldridge's pro street '53 coupe...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1201/858805093_69f60f850a.jpg

Bob is running an Art Morrison chassis under this beautiful Studebaker.

Craig, are you guys going to have a display at Good Guys Puyallup next week?



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JDP
07-20-2007, 12:28 PM
I love the rendering of the blue coupe since you did not mess with the basic beauty of the lines, just enhanced them.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

bradnree
07-20-2007, 01:11 PM
and now for the rest of the story....who is brave enough to produce a steel and/or fibreglass body...talk about a profitable item...The street rod world is more than ready. Our totally stock, frame-off restored '53 is popular at every show and cruise night. A '53 street rod like Dick's will get attention 24/7. The body lines do it........Brad

JDP
07-20-2007, 01:36 PM
The fiberglass C-K bodies are made near me here:

http://www.the-glas-shop.com/ck.htm

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

CraigMorrison
07-20-2007, 03:43 PM
Hey, thanks for the nice welcome guys! I've seen that green Stude up close and it is a very nice car. We will definitely be down for at the Puyallup Goodguys show. We just got back from the Columbus GG show and it was great. Some awesome Studebakers back there.

There just isn't any need to mess with the lines of these cars, they just look too good. The one thing that the rendering left out is that we are keeping the door handles.

I'll definitely keep you guys posted on the car, and I will definitely be asking questions!

Dick- If you do come down to the show, stop by and say hi!

JDP
07-20-2007, 04:28 PM
Craig
You might want to steal our own Dave Lester's idea for door handles. (Dodge Intrepid), everyone else has:) pictures here:

http://members.provalue.net/studes/STUDE35.HTM

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

Dick Steinkamp
07-20-2007, 04:28 PM
quote:Originally posted by CraigMorrison
Dick- If you do come down to the show, stop by and say hi!


I will Craig. I'll be at the show on Friday, make a few passes at Pacific Raceways Friday night, then back to the show on Saturday.



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
07-20-2007, 04:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

Craig
You might want to steal our own Dave Lester's idea for door handles. (Dodge Intrepid), everyone else has:) pictures here:


I dunno John. They look perfect on Dave's car, but Craig has kind of a nostalgia theme going with his project. IMHO, it may look a little funny to have modern door handles on a 50's looking car. Kind of like billet double dubs on a stock Lark [xx(] (just MHO).



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

JDP
07-20-2007, 04:56 PM
Fair point, but if the goal is to retain and enhance the lines, I think the Intrepid handles do that and I even sell the Studebaker handles.:)

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

N8N
07-20-2007, 07:45 PM
I'm trying to think of what cars they were used on, but I know that there was some vintage car that had "hidden" chrome door handles that were flush with the body when not in use. Maybe a Bentley? or Ferrari? I don't remember...

I agree, vintage themed stuff is cool. Heck, I even like the wheels on the "before" car.

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

CraigMorrison
07-23-2007, 12:37 PM
Actually, I think we are going to keep the stock stainless door handles. They look pretty good, and I don't have to mess with altering the door panel for new ones!

stan zoerner
07-23-2007, 04:45 PM
Absolutely the most helpful awesome bunch in the world. GREAT PICS

bige
07-23-2007, 09:15 PM
Late 50's Chryslers had a flush handle, chromed with vertical ribs. The complaint at the time was that they weren't kind to manicured and polished ladies nails.
ErnieR


quote:Originally posted by N8N

I'm trying to think of what cars they were used on, but I know that there was some vintage car that had "hidden" chrome door handles that were flush with the body when not in use. Maybe a Bentley? or Ferrari? I don't remember...

I agree, vintage themed stuff is cool. Heck, I even like the wheels on the "before" car.

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
http://members.cox.net/njnagel


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CraigMorrison
07-26-2007, 09:25 AM
Hey guys, good morning. We just did another frame for a 53, but this customer is putting a 392 Hemi in this one! These cars are real hot right now. It's been our experience that car styles come in waves, but as I said earlier we have done a lot of chassis for the 53's. Maybe I'm just more aware of them now that I own one, but I'm pretty sure we have done more this year so far that in the last few combined. Just thought you'd be interested.........

sbca96
07-26-2007, 12:14 PM
Since most of the passenger car frames are quite similar, have you ever
considered offering frames for a Lark has well? The Lark frame could
also be used in an Avanti will minor additions. Just curious.

Tom


quote:Originally posted by CraigMorrison
but as I said earlier we have done a lot of chassis for the 53's.

stude13
07-26-2007, 01:39 PM
ok ok; ill see that fine ride this weekend. friday night should be a mind blower. i think i will use the glass front end. only in america! stude13