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vegas paul
06-30-2007, 01:04 PM
I've read all the old posts, but haven't seen anything that specifically addressed my situation.

I've just gotten a T-96 1A OD transmission to put into my 51 Champion. With Mr. Biggs advice, since my car is 12V, I got the 3 terminal solenoid (marked with 4, 6, 8)and NO RELAY. I have a kickdown switch, lock out switch, and the governor. I don't see any wiring diagrams that address this configuration. The 60's Larks don't appear to have the lock out switch, but they use my solenoid. The older Champions use a relay and the lock out switch but a completely different set up.

Chuck Collins has various wiring diagrams on his site, but none exactly like I need.

Anyone have a suggestion?

Las Vegas, NV
'51 Champion Business Coupe G899965 10G-Q4-1434
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Tom B
06-30-2007, 02:46 PM
Since you don't have a lock out switch, ignore it.

one fused wire goes from the positive terminal on the starter solenoid (hot all the time) to the kickdown switch, one of the terminals nearest the plunger. From the other terminal next to the plunger it goes to one of the solenoid terminals.

Another wire goes from the negative coil wire to one of the back terminals on the kick down switch and from the other back terminal to the solenoid.

Another wire goes from the governor to the solenoid.

I'm working from memory here so I don't remember which wire goes to which terminal. I know, this doesn't help at all, but yes it does. Take the cover off the solenoid, study it's operation on a bench with a battery charger. Clip the negative clamp on the charger to the body (ear) of the solenoid. The governor terminal must be grounded too to make the solenoid work. So, use alligator clips to ground one of the terminals. use a probe in the positive battery charger clip to touch the other terminals, one will make the solenoid extend it's nose. Play around with them until this works. The one that activates it gets the wire from the battery. The other two should be obvious. (you've already found out the governor terminal.)

One last word. The lock out switch. Studebaker didn't need it. There is no way at any speed a transmission in reverse could go into overdrive. If it tried to, it would freewheel. They put that switch on there for 20 or more years. If they'd have saved the money spent on that they would still be in business.

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Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe
'60 Lark VI
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All three Indiana built OD cars

vegas paul
06-30-2007, 03:07 PM
So what do I do with the portion of the trans that the lock out swich attaches? Do I need a cover plate? Can I leave it open? Thanks.

Las Vegas, NV
'51 Champion Business Coupe G899965 10G-Q4-1434
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Tom B
06-30-2007, 03:37 PM
You have the lock out switch, leave it on, but just ignore it, no wires to it. Or you could fabricate a cover for it.

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Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe
'60 Lark VI
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All three Indiana built OD cars

Roscomacaw
06-30-2007, 09:31 PM
Paul,

When that Rev lockout sw. is employed, all it does is interrupt the wire from the governor. Thing is, it's really not necessary (the lockout sw) so long as you're setting the OD up to work as it should. In fact, that's why the lockout Sw was done away with after 1955 - someone realized it was unlikely you'd ever find yourself going fast enough for the OD to engage when you were backing up!
As Tom says, you can just leave the switch in place to fill it's hole and simply wire from the governor to the #4 terminal (this was a green wire if you wanna stay with the factory colors - 18gage will do). In other words - the switch still in place, but with NO wires attached to it!
The #8 terminal of the Sol gets a 14 or 12 gage wire (red, if you wanna use the right colors)that goes to one of the two terminals that are closest to the plunger on the kickdown switch. The OTHER terminal of the KD Sw that's closest to the plunger gets wired (14 or 12 gage red wire again) to a 14amp inline fuse and the fuse is fed directly off the battery side of the starter solenoid.
The #6 terminal of the OD solenoid gets a black wire to one of the terminals farthest from the KD Switch's plunger and then a black wire goes from the opposite side terminal (farthest from the switch's plunger) to the + terminal of the Ign coil.
Wired like this - OD control cable installed right, and you're good to go!

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

vegas paul
06-30-2007, 10:00 PM
Thanks everyone. All I need now is a OD cable. I'd like to get the original T handle, to match my hood cable, but I can get by with a Pep Boys choke cable for now.

Las Vegas, NV
'51 Champion Business Coupe G899965 10G-Q4-1434
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/vegas_paul/1462673_2_350.jpg?t=1180041622 http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/vegas_paul/graciestude.jpg?t=1180041703

vegas paul
06-30-2007, 10:28 PM
One more issue - On the bench (not hooked up to anything) I tested the trans for shifting to all gears and reverse. Everything seemed OK. As soon as I bolted up the solenoid (still on the bench, no power) the trans locked up in most gears. Should the solenoid plunger be compressing anything when de-energized when I bolt it up? It is. Any ideas?

Las Vegas, NV
'51 Champion Business Coupe G899965 10G-Q4-1434
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/vegas_paul/1462673_2_350.jpg?t=1180041622 http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/vegas_paul/graciestude.jpg?t=1180041703

vegas paul
06-30-2007, 10:32 PM
On the first pitch, Gord hit another one out of the park... I had no idea, I just was lining up the solenoid with the holes, and bolting it in. I guess I was compressing the spring and jamming everything up. Seems to work fine now. Thanks.

Las Vegas, NV
'51 Champion Business Coupe G899965 10G-Q4-1434
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/vegas_paul/1462673_2_350.jpg?t=1180041622 http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/vegas_paul/graciestude.jpg?t=1180041703

gordr
06-30-2007, 11:16 PM
quote:Originally posted by vegas paul

One more issue - On the bench (not hooked up to anything) I tested the trans for shifting to all gears and reverse. Everything seemed OK. As soon as I bolted up the solenoid (still on the bench, no power) the trans locked up in most gears. Should the solenoid plunger be compressing anything when de-energized when I bolt it up? It is. Any ideas?

Las Vegas, NV
'51 Champion Business Coupe G899965 10G-Q4-1434
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/vegas_paul/1462673_2_350.jpg?t=1180041622 http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/vegas_paul/graciestude.jpg?t=1180041703


Paul, are you sure you got the OD solenoid correctly engaged with the pawl? Look at the end of the OD solenoid plunger; it has two flats on it. You install the solenoid by turning it so that the flats on the plunger are parallel with the long axis of the transmission. Push it right in; maintaining that orientation. Once it seats, THEN turn it about 45 so that the bolt holes line up. Now try pulling it out, without turning it. If it comes back a short distance, and then stops short, you can be sure the plunger has properly engaged the slot in the pawl.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

Roscomacaw
07-01-2007, 05:43 PM
I E-mailed Paul that SASCO had NOS OD cables for sale last week. '51-'52 cars use the same assy. Complete cable, wire and handle was under 30 bucks![:0]:D

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe