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mbstude
06-29-2007, 10:34 PM
Thought I'd share a few of the pics I took of the Tomato while in South Bend. :)

Bob Palma's tow vehicle doing the honors.
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The Don Garlits of Studebakering; Ted himself. [^]
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Ted, 41Frank, Karl Sparks, and the Solankis.
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http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/0004.jpg

Wow!!
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Frank Van Doorn heading out.
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http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/0009.jpg

Off he goes!
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Matthew Burnette

wagone
06-29-2007, 10:41 PM
Ted Harbit is AMAZING (IMHO)! He is about seven years older than I am and he shifts that T-10 Borg Warner better than I ever could when I was YOUNG! Does anyone here know if the video of the Stude Tomato running against the Mopar included the audio of the Stude? It sounds like only one car on the video and I was wondering which. It rather sounds to me like a Stude, but don't know for sure. It looks like the interior picture shows the pointer on the tach at about 5600 rpm. Anyone know where Ted shifts at (I know, I know from the seat of the Tomato)?:D:D:D. Oh, and thanks for the photos, Matt.

wagone and the Old R2 Avanti

wagone
06-29-2007, 10:41 PM
Ted Harbit is AMAZING (IMHO)! He is about seven years older than I am and he shifts that T-10 Borg Warner better than I ever could when I was YOUNG! Does anyone here know if the video of the Stude Tomato running against the Mopar included the audio of the Stude? It sounds like only one car on the video and I was wondering which. It rather sounds to me like a Stude, but don't know for sure. It looks like the interior picture shows the pointer on the tach at about 5600 rpm. Anyone know where Ted shifts at (I know, I know from the seat of the Tomato)?:D:D:D. Oh, and thanks for the photos, Matt.

wagone and the Old R2 Avanti

mbstude
06-29-2007, 10:46 PM
Here's one that Karl Sparks posted a while ago. Not the Mopar, but Ted up against another Stude. Is it just me or does Ted make it sound like it has an automatic trans? [8D]

http://s117.photobucket.com/albums/o50/twnchgr/?action=view&current=Ted1.flv

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

mbstude
06-29-2007, 10:46 PM
Here's one that Karl Sparks posted a while ago. Not the Mopar, but Ted up against another Stude. Is it just me or does Ted make it sound like it has an automatic trans? [8D]

http://s117.photobucket.com/albums/o50/twnchgr/?action=view&current=Ted1.flv

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

wagone
06-29-2007, 10:51 PM
No Matt, you are not alone as I noted a few minutes ago. It doesn't sound to me like someone in his 70s shifting. And thanks again for the photos.

wagone and the Old R2 Avanti

wagone
06-29-2007, 10:51 PM
No Matt, you are not alone as I noted a few minutes ago. It doesn't sound to me like someone in his 70s shifting. And thanks again for the photos.

wagone and the Old R2 Avanti

lstude
06-29-2007, 10:54 PM
Thanks for posting that Matthew. That's some fast shifting!

Great sound!

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Mein64DaytonaatBradfieldssm2.jpghttp://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/AlmostreadyforSB6-4.jpg

lstude
06-29-2007, 10:54 PM
Thanks for posting that Matthew. That's some fast shifting!

Great sound!

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Mein64DaytonaatBradfieldssm2.jpghttp://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/AlmostreadyforSB6-4.jpg

Chicken Hawk
06-29-2007, 11:11 PM
I hope this doesn't sound egotistical or anything like that but to explain a couple of things. Yes, the shift point is set at 5600 and that's where I normally shift at unless it is in eliminations and if we are behind or about even, I'll go to 6000 as it will pick up about two tenths going to 6000 in each gear instead of 5600.

On shifting, I do not speed shift unless, again it is in eliminations and we are behind or about even. It will pick up about two tenths by speed shifting but I don't do it unless necessary as I just don't enjoy pulling transmissions and going through them as much as I used to. The T-10 does hold up well but speed shifting will require some repair sooner than if you don't do it all the time.

If you think these shifts sounded quick you need to listen to Richard Poe row through his R 1 four speed. He speed shifts about all the time and it does sound like an automatic. Also, Karl's dual supercharged Avanti shifts sounded pretty wicked too.

Ted


quote:Originally posted by lstude

Thanks for posting that Matthew. That's some fast shifting!

Great sound!

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Mein64DaytonaatBradfieldssm2.jpghttp://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/AlmostreadyforSB6-4.jpg

Chicken Hawk
06-29-2007, 11:11 PM
I hope this doesn't sound egotistical or anything like that but to explain a couple of things. Yes, the shift point is set at 5600 and that's where I normally shift at unless it is in eliminations and if we are behind or about even, I'll go to 6000 as it will pick up about two tenths going to 6000 in each gear instead of 5600.

On shifting, I do not speed shift unless, again it is in eliminations and we are behind or about even. It will pick up about two tenths by speed shifting but I don't do it unless necessary as I just don't enjoy pulling transmissions and going through them as much as I used to. The T-10 does hold up well but speed shifting will require some repair sooner than if you don't do it all the time.

If you think these shifts sounded quick you need to listen to Richard Poe row through his R 1 four speed. He speed shifts about all the time and it does sound like an automatic. Also, Karl's dual supercharged Avanti shifts sounded pretty wicked too.

Ted


quote:Originally posted by lstude

Thanks for posting that Matthew. That's some fast shifting!

Great sound!

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/Mein64DaytonaatBradfieldssm2.jpghttp://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/AlmostreadyforSB6-4.jpg

wagone
06-30-2007, 10:28 AM
Thanks for the info Ted! Anyone know whether that is the audio of the Stude Tomato in the video w/ Ted against the Mopar at the recent drags? And Ted, how about teaching me to shift like you do........or is it too late for me? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D[}:)][}:)]

wagone and the slow R2 Avanti

wagone
06-30-2007, 10:28 AM
Thanks for the info Ted! Anyone know whether that is the audio of the Stude Tomato in the video w/ Ted against the Mopar at the recent drags? And Ted, how about teaching me to shift like you do........or is it too late for me? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D[}:)][}:)]

wagone and the slow R2 Avanti

63larkr1
06-30-2007, 10:51 AM
Thanks Ted!
Richard

63larkr1
06-30-2007, 10:51 AM
Thanks Ted!
Richard

Chicken Hawk
06-30-2007, 12:44 PM
I'm sure it was the Tomato's exhaust as I carry proof in the truck (magazine articles, AMA specs, copy of parts book pages) to prove Stude offered straight through mufflers. Would really be neat to get the PBW, Tomato, Richard Poe's R 1, Peter Sant's R 2 Avanti, etc., all on the track at the same time.

A few years ago at Stanton you could hear the announcer in one of the video tapes saying the Tomato was the best sounding cars there.

On the other, it's my philosophy it's only too late if you are on the bottom side of the green grass.

Ted


quote:Originally posted by wagone

Thanks for the info Ted! Anyone know whether that is the audio of the Stude Tomato in the video w/ Ted against the Mopar at the recent drags? And Ted, how about teaching me to shift like you do........or is it too late for me? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D[}:)][}:)]

wagone and the slow R2 Avanti

Chicken Hawk
06-30-2007, 12:44 PM
I'm sure it was the Tomato's exhaust as I carry proof in the truck (magazine articles, AMA specs, copy of parts book pages) to prove Stude offered straight through mufflers. Would really be neat to get the PBW, Tomato, Richard Poe's R 1, Peter Sant's R 2 Avanti, etc., all on the track at the same time.

A few years ago at Stanton you could hear the announcer in one of the video tapes saying the Tomato was the best sounding cars there.

On the other, it's my philosophy it's only too late if you are on the bottom side of the green grass.

Ted


quote:Originally posted by wagone

Thanks for the info Ted! Anyone know whether that is the audio of the Stude Tomato in the video w/ Ted against the Mopar at the recent drags? And Ted, how about teaching me to shift like you do........or is it too late for me? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D[}:)][}:)]

wagone and the slow R2 Avanti

BobPalma
07-04-2007, 09:56 PM
:) Nice photos, Matthew; thanks for posting.

There's an interesting story in the eighth photo down; the one of Frank Van Doorn leaving the pit area for the starting line...and probably the last time he was fully in control of The Tomato (...just kidding, Frank...) :(:D

In that photo is the front end of a 1956 Golden Hawk in Ceramic Green and SnowCap White. That car is one of the few factory overdrive 56Js, and it still has its overdrive transmission and column shift.

It is owned by Ron Johnson of Rockford IL. Ron bought the car in 1972 and has owned it ever since. It is "almost" what we could call a survivor, in that it still has the remnants of th embossed-clear-plastic seat covers on it that were installed in the 60s...or earlier.

Ron repainted the car circa 1976 in his auto shop where he was teaching in Rockford IL. One of the high school students in Ron's Auto Shop class was a young Jim Turner. Yes, the same Jim Turner who is now SDC's Brake Guru.

Jim's Auto Shop teacher [this Ron Johnson] is the person who got Jim Turner interested in Studebakers, and they have remained good friends to this day. It was good to see Ron and his 1956 Overdrive Golden Hawk in South Bend; he's a great guy.

So as Paul Harvey would say, "Now you know the rest of the story." :D BP

BobPalma
07-04-2007, 09:56 PM
:) Nice photos, Matthew; thanks for posting.

There's an interesting story in the eighth photo down; the one of Frank Van Doorn leaving the pit area for the starting line...and probably the last time he was fully in control of The Tomato (...just kidding, Frank...) :(:D

In that photo is the front end of a 1956 Golden Hawk in Ceramic Green and SnowCap White. That car is one of the few factory overdrive 56Js, and it still has its overdrive transmission and column shift.

It is owned by Ron Johnson of Rockford IL. Ron bought the car in 1972 and has owned it ever since. It is "almost" what we could call a survivor, in that it still has the remnants of th embossed-clear-plastic seat covers on it that were installed in the 60s...or earlier.

Ron repainted the car circa 1976 in his auto shop where he was teaching in Rockford IL. One of the high school students in Ron's Auto Shop class was a young Jim Turner. Yes, the same Jim Turner who is now SDC's Brake Guru.

Jim's Auto Shop teacher [this Ron Johnson] is the person who got Jim Turner interested in Studebakers, and they have remained good friends to this day. It was good to see Ron and his 1956 Overdrive Golden Hawk in South Bend; he's a great guy.

So as Paul Harvey would say, "Now you know the rest of the story." :D BP

41 Frank
07-05-2007, 12:04 AM
Very funny Bob!!!:D But in essence that was a true statement about losing control,very easy to do with the Tomato when it has been dyno'd at 550HP at the rear wheels. The ride should have come with instructions, something like, "launch at 2500 RPM or so and don't give it any more trottle until you get about 60 feet out"

Frank van Doorn
1962 GT Hawk 4 speed
1963 Daytona Conv
1941 Champion R-2 Rod

41 Frank
07-05-2007, 12:04 AM
Very funny Bob!!!:D But in essence that was a true statement about losing control,very easy to do with the Tomato when it has been dyno'd at 550HP at the rear wheels. The ride should have come with instructions, something like, "launch at 2500 RPM or so and don't give it any more trottle until you get about 60 feet out"

Frank van Doorn
1962 GT Hawk 4 speed
1963 Daytona Conv
1941 Champion R-2 Rod

studegary
07-05-2007, 02:53 PM
Bob P. - Your comments about that Golden Hawk remind me of a 1956 Golden Hawk that I worked on in 1970-1971. It was an all black car with overdrive. It previously was successfully drag raced on the east coast and written up in magazines. I can't imagine that there were many all black, overdrive GH's in 1956. Perhaps only one. (My own 1957 Golden Hawk was also all black and overdrive.) I can remember struggling with that OD transmission under that '56 GH. The car belonged to a friend who later used it for land fill, along with a V12 Continental convertible, Imperial coupe and other neat cars. The friend is now also "land fill" so he won't be destroying any more interesting cars. He didn't destroy all of his interesting cars. I bought my 1957 Golden Hawk from him and his 6 bbl Road Runner and hemi GTX were passed on to others. He was building a Plymouth pickup hot rod with a crate Chrysler engine when he died.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
07-05-2007, 02:53 PM
Bob P. - Your comments about that Golden Hawk remind me of a 1956 Golden Hawk that I worked on in 1970-1971. It was an all black car with overdrive. It previously was successfully drag raced on the east coast and written up in magazines. I can't imagine that there were many all black, overdrive GH's in 1956. Perhaps only one. (My own 1957 Golden Hawk was also all black and overdrive.) I can remember struggling with that OD transmission under that '56 GH. The car belonged to a friend who later used it for land fill, along with a V12 Continental convertible, Imperial coupe and other neat cars. The friend is now also "land fill" so he won't be destroying any more interesting cars. He didn't destroy all of his interesting cars. I bought my 1957 Golden Hawk from him and his 6 bbl Road Runner and hemi GTX were passed on to others. He was building a Plymouth pickup hot rod with a crate Chrysler engine when he died.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

mbstude
07-05-2007, 06:46 PM
quote:In that photo is the front end of a 1956 Golden Hawk in Ceramic Green and SnowCap White. That car is one of the few factory overdrive 56Js, and it still has its overdrive transmission and column shift.

This car, Bob? :)

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/56J2.jpg



quote:I can't imagine that there were many all black, overdrive GH's in 1956. Perhaps only one.

Make that at least two, Gary. Curtis French of Tallahasse, FL has one, still wearing it's original monotone black paint. Curtis is restoring his car while he drives it. He has all new chrome and a Phantom interior kit for it.
He let me drive it once, and let's just say that it's no slouch. ;)

Also, Curtis is known as black56hawk on the forum. :)

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/curtis_hawk.jpg

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

mbstude
07-05-2007, 06:46 PM
quote:In that photo is the front end of a 1956 Golden Hawk in Ceramic Green and SnowCap White. That car is one of the few factory overdrive 56Js, and it still has its overdrive transmission and column shift.

This car, Bob? :)

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/56J2.jpg



quote:I can't imagine that there were many all black, overdrive GH's in 1956. Perhaps only one.

Make that at least two, Gary. Curtis French of Tallahasse, FL has one, still wearing it's original monotone black paint. Curtis is restoring his car while he drives it. He has all new chrome and a Phantom interior kit for it.
He let me drive it once, and let's just say that it's no slouch. ;)

Also, Curtis is known as black56hawk on the forum. :)

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/curtis_hawk.jpg

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA

Cruising the Proving Ground Test Track
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/provingground2.jpg

BobPalma
07-05-2007, 08:51 PM
Yep, Matthew; that's the one. Thanks. BP

BobPalma
07-05-2007, 08:51 PM
Yep, Matthew; that's the one. Thanks. BP

BobPalma
07-06-2007, 08:27 AM
:) Interestingly, you guys, solid-black overdrive Golden Hawks aren't as rare as we might think. [:0] We just got done researching all 878 1958 Golden Hawks and found that there were 26 solid black overdrive 1958 GHs built. That's a large percentage when you consider that it is from a pool of only 878 cars, most of which had Flightomatic. There must be something intriguing about the combination of solid black and overdrive. ;) BP

BobPalma
07-06-2007, 08:27 AM
:) Interestingly, you guys, solid-black overdrive Golden Hawks aren't as rare as we might think. [:0] We just got done researching all 878 1958 Golden Hawks and found that there were 26 solid black overdrive 1958 GHs built. That's a large percentage when you consider that it is from a pool of only 878 cars, most of which had Flightomatic. There must be something intriguing about the combination of solid black and overdrive. ;) BP

N8N
07-06-2007, 04:38 PM
Intriguing? You betcha!

BTW, I got my copy of HMM last night and there was a nice article on the Tomato in there. They're getting a lot of mileage out of Ted, that's for sure (not that he doesn't deserve all the press!)

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
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N8N
07-06-2007, 04:38 PM
Intriguing? You betcha!

BTW, I got my copy of HMM last night and there was a nice article on the Tomato in there. They're getting a lot of mileage out of Ted, that's for sure (not that he doesn't deserve all the press!)

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

52 Ragtop
07-07-2007, 10:58 PM
Yes it WAS all Ron Johnsons fault for getting me into Studebakers! <G> I was a sophmore in Hogh School in my 2nd year of "Power Lab" Also taking a Body Shop class at the vocational center in Rockford. Ron bought the 56 G Hawk from none other the Bob Kaptayne (sp) in the early 70's. It's a 3 spd overdrive manuael brakes and steering. It does have the original interior in it, STILL with the JC Whitney clear plastic bubble covers over them.
Ron emailed me after he got back to Rockford, No problems with the G Hawk, and 20 mpg.
When I was in school, Ron and I went somewhere, in his 58 Silver Hawk, (with a warmed up 289) on the way home we turned a corner and Ron jumped on it, a "peice" of one of the leaf springs fell out, Ron backed up and I picked it up! He put it back in with "bailing wire" He had added extra leafs and did not want the missing part gone.
|Sad ending to the 58 Silver Hawk, she finally rusted in two. Ron has saved the "Sweepstakes 289" for an antique midget race car he has! Wants to be "different"
Ron has "several" pairs of NOS Hawk fenders in his house, garage, shop etc. He Also has a 48 Midget race car that Bob PAlma and I watched him race in Danville Illinois a few years ago. Ron had gone through the engine, and trailered it to Danville with his of "forever" Nadia, when asked how it ran, his answer was "Don't know, haven't fired it up yet" Then he asked me what we learned in Power Lab, "If there is compression, fuel and spark at the right time, it HAS to run" It only took about 20 feet of a push start to get that midget fired up!
I've always thought of Ron as the kid next door that never has grown up" <G>
Ron and his family are very close friends.

Jim

52 Ragtop
07-07-2007, 10:58 PM
Yes it WAS all Ron Johnsons fault for getting me into Studebakers! <G> I was a sophmore in Hogh School in my 2nd year of "Power Lab" Also taking a Body Shop class at the vocational center in Rockford. Ron bought the 56 G Hawk from none other the Bob Kaptayne (sp) in the early 70's. It's a 3 spd overdrive manuael brakes and steering. It does have the original interior in it, STILL with the JC Whitney clear plastic bubble covers over them.
Ron emailed me after he got back to Rockford, No problems with the G Hawk, and 20 mpg.
When I was in school, Ron and I went somewhere, in his 58 Silver Hawk, (with a warmed up 289) on the way home we turned a corner and Ron jumped on it, a "peice" of one of the leaf springs fell out, Ron backed up and I picked it up! He put it back in with "bailing wire" He had added extra leafs and did not want the missing part gone.
|Sad ending to the 58 Silver Hawk, she finally rusted in two. Ron has saved the "Sweepstakes 289" for an antique midget race car he has! Wants to be "different"
Ron has "several" pairs of NOS Hawk fenders in his house, garage, shop etc. He Also has a 48 Midget race car that Bob PAlma and I watched him race in Danville Illinois a few years ago. Ron had gone through the engine, and trailered it to Danville with his of "forever" Nadia, when asked how it ran, his answer was "Don't know, haven't fired it up yet" Then he asked me what we learned in Power Lab, "If there is compression, fuel and spark at the right time, it HAS to run" It only took about 20 feet of a push start to get that midget fired up!
I've always thought of Ron as the kid next door that never has grown up" <G>
Ron and his family are very close friends.

Jim